Public Mix Contest #6

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nobody seems to have taken massive liberty with the tunes so I don't care if we let it be. judges, I think it would be nice to judge the songs anyhow even if they be disqualified.
 
Guys - I think Bryan wants you to upload it to the server yourself. Although I imagine that directory might be closed by now.

Thanks for the support Doug, Cary and Eric. Guess I'll just wait and see what's happening.
 
OK, I am about half way through the mixes. All I have to say is:

What Is Up With You People And The Conga Slide ?!!

It's killing me. Here I am, listening to a pretty decent mix, kinda groovin' to it, then suddenly, out of nowhere, I get smacked upside the head with the conga slide.

It's not supposed to be a Conga Slide Solo !!
 
Raw-Tracks said:
OK, I am about half way through the mixes. All I have to say is:

What Is Up With You People And The Conga Slide ?!!

It's killing me. Here I am, listening to a pretty decent mix, kinda groovin' to it, then suddenly, out of nowhere, I get smacked upside the head with the conga slide.

It's not supposed to be a Conga Slide Solo !!
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cuz its so coooll!! LOL Its nowhere lose to a real conga slide though . for a tune at the BPM its at, hardly any conguero can muster that lenght of a slide.

T
 
ok peeps. i hope this isnt too late but ive been busy as all hell. heres my entry.

 
producerkid, it's too late. I have already completed judging. The deadline for submission was yesterday.

Sorry.
 
damnit. lol. oh well ill get it on the next one. some feedback on it anyway?
 
Raw-Tracks said:
What Is Up With You People And The Conga Slide ?!!
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I had the feeling that this Conga Slide part was meant to be a special effect, so I treated it as such and processed it quite a bit.

I pulled out all of the attack of it, so it sounded more like 'wooooh', pitched it up a fifth and mixed that in, put on tons of delay and then put a Autopanner on there, which rapidly switched it on and off alternatingly on both stereo sides. I thought it sounded quite cool, but my mix is not even in the competition...

Waiting for PMC#7,

David
 
Greetings to all.
The reason for the missing brass part in the beginning is most probably wrong edit just after i started to do the mix.As a bass player i like the bass part and the beat very much and did not even notice any absence. To me it sounded good this way.I was very busy lately and had no time for correction after i find out what is done.I accept and respect the judges's decision.The rules are for all.Wait for PMC7

Happy and merry Christmas

vanbas :D
 
vestast said:
Ok can someone clarify this for me so I don't have to worry about mine ?

What do you consider an edit ? Doubling a part ? Offseting it ? Adding a delay or reverb ?
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Removal of a part is considered an edit. Changing the musical arrangement of the song is considered an edit.

If I found some super hot mixer I'd be against him changing my production. His job is to mx it. Do not delete parts from my song no matter how hot you are :)

As a mixer with 3 gold records and working on his 1st Platinum I have learned to do that unless the Artists/Producer says have at it.

As the producer of this joint I was very clear. No editing.

a delay is not an edit. a reverse reverb is not an edit, but deletion of a performance element is considered an edit. Changing a performance is an edit.
 
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Before I submit the results I will elaborate.

I am in no wise attempting to be difficult or hard nosed.

The goal here was to provide peopla something to MIX, not produce.

when you remove parts from a mix that is producing the song. The song has been produced. Plenty of people have Production opinions. That is great. Those are the things you submit in secret, but for this contest it was apples to apples. Every one has the same 29 tracks to mix so MIX it dont produce it.

The goal is to feel placement/use of effects and verbs. I dont consider that production. If you had chosen to 1/4 note delay the lead vocal all the way through the mix that would not have been considered producing but to delete a Horn part is production.

bentRabbit read exactly what i said and meant about hw to apporach the mix.

You have a mixing console and outboard gear. Go forth.

You were not to alter the perofrmance in any way, but rather enhance it. Yes that could be up for interpretation but read Bent rabbits comment and I thought it was pretty clear.

The only 2 people that got disqualified were becaue they Deleted portions of the song. A fade is no big deal. But they had parts missing from my song.

The next contest is one to have at it. Produce your but away have fun with it. But there will be a basic guidleine. This song was to remain unedited. I am sorry if that appears to be harsh but that is the real world.

Mixers get fired for producing. Only when the artist says do what you gotta do, do you change their arrangement.

Imagine if when I was out with Usher I did what i wanted to do and removed half the percussion from his mix. I am sure I would have heard from Johnetta and gotten cussed out. you learn to give them what they want and if you have an opinion.... you ask 1st.

Now on with the show.

I will have results up by 12pm EST. I am still going over some of the mixes.

For the 2 that were disqualified I can judge your entires based on the criteria set forth in spite of the edits.

If you guys remember PMC 1 and PMC 2 the rules changed becasue people added so many parts it made the contests unfair. Here is joe blow with original tracks and here is John Doe with percussion added, new bass line, etc... Not Apples to apples.

hence BB came up with a cirteria to eliminate those things from altering the judging.

Thanks a bunch. :)

Plus, no one edited Heaven, just this song.......SO why the fuss and confusion all of a sudden......
 
giles117 said:
Before I submit the results I will elaborate.

I am in no wise attempting to be difficult or hard nosed.

The goal here was to provide peopla something to MIX, not produce.

when you remove parts from a mix that is producing the song. The song has been produced. Plenty of people have Production opinions. That is great. Those are the things you submit in secret, but for this contest it was apples to apples. Every one has the same 29 tracks to mix so MIX it dont produce it.

The goal is to feel placement/use of effects and verbs. I dont consider that production. If you had chosen to 1/4 note delay the lead vocal all the way through the mix that would not have been considered producing but to delete a Horn part is production.

bentRabbit read exactly what i said and meant about hw to apporach the mix.

You have a mixing console and outboard gear. Go forth.

You were not to alter the perofrmance in any way, but rather enhance it. Yes that could be up for interpretation but read Bent rabbits comment and I thought it was pretty clear.

The only 2 people that got disqualified were becaue they Deleted portions of the song. A fade is no big deal. But they had parts missing from my song.

The next contest is one to have at it. Produce your but away have fun with it. But there will be a basic guidleine. This song was to remain unedited. I am sorry if that appears to be harsh but that is the real world.

Mixers get fired for producing. Only when the artist says do what you gotta do, do you change their arrangement.

Imagine if when I was out with Usher I did what i wanted to do and removed half the percussion from his mix. I am sure I would have heard from Johnetta and gotten cussed out. you learn to give them what they want and if you have an opinion.... you ask 1st.

Now on with the show.

I will have results up by 12pm EST. I am still going over some of the mixes.

For the 2 that were disqualified I can judge your entires based on the criteria set forth in spite of the edits.

If you guys remember PMC 1 and PMC 2 the rules changed becasue people added so many parts it made the contests unfair. Here is joe blow with original tracks and here is John Doe with percussion added, new bass line, etc... Not Apples to apples.

hence BB came up with a cirteria to eliminate those things from altering the judging.

Thanks a bunch. :)

Plus, no one edited Heaven, just this song.......SO why the fuss and confusion all of a sudden......
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OK Bryan I understand. I don't want to take away from all the hard work that you've done to get these PMC's rolling so I apologize if I sounded like a whiner.

Your right an edit is an edit. Just caught be by suprise that's all as I honestly considered the tom roll at the beginning as more of a count in to the song.

Again great job everyone and thanks Bryan for taking time out of your busy schedule to organize this.
 
Ugh. Another 2 1/2 hours? Bah.

:p

I need to go to sleep.. I guess I'll find out when I wake up. :D
 
giles117 said:
I am in no wise attempting to be difficult or hard nosed.
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In my opinion, you are being a bit too difficult and hard nosed.

The goal here was to provide peopla something to MIX, not produce.
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Agreed, but I believe there is a certain element of production that is inherent in the mixing process.
The goal is to feel placement/use of effects and verbs. I dont consider that production.
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I disagree, where to use delay and what type of delay (or reverb, or flange, or whatever) is as much a part of the production process as where to put the triangle part, or horn stabs.
Mixers get fired for producing. Only when the artist says do what you gotta do, do you change their arrangement.
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Mmmm, maybe a mixer has been fired for producing, but generally speaking, most artists and producers are open to suggestions and interpretations from the mixer. Sure, the mixer may be asked to undo it, if the producer or the artist do not like it. But they are not going to be fired point blank. If the mixer is continually doing things they don't like, he may get let go as well, but that is because the mixer just isn't right for the project. It isn't because he muted to the triangle part for a few bars.

I am not trying to attack you Bryan. I just think you are being a little overbearing. I stand that muting is as much a part of mixing as anything else. This was a very busy arrangement (that is not an insult) and if one of the mixers thought they should mute a part, I am all for it. That's when the producer will come back and say "No, I really need that part to be in there" and then it gets put back. Or he will say "Hey, I like they way you muted that part, I was going to tell you to do that, but you beat me too it. Way to read my mind." (the producer will rarely admit that you had a great idea, he will make it sound like it was still his idea, he just hadn't had a chance to verbalize it yet.)
 
giles117 said:
Now on with the show.

I will have results up by 12pm EST. I am still going over some of the mixes.
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:rolleyes: *whistling Jeapordy theme *

:o
 
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