the behringer chronicles....

[acorec]

Ummmm excuse me radiorickm;


Yo' acorec, you're an @ss-hole and now you are 1 of 2 people on my "IGNORE" list!

'Nuff said!





We will now return you back to your regularly scheduled program.

I feel such honor. I made THE LIST!!!!!! 1of 2 people!

I accept the award with honor and would like to thank the ones who got me here. It was a long journey indeed.


Thank You!!

 

[Lt. Bob]

Ahhh come on General Bob, you know I could NEVER,EVER argue with you!! That's not fair!!!

I was doin' fine until you jumped in!!!

LMFAO!!!!!!

Ok.......ok....I'll get out of the middle of the scrum!!!

 

[noisedude]

ok then acorec, here's the questions, between adults. don't get all prickly and childish, just answer the questions. all of them.

when did you become such a prick?

why the hell should anyone defend weak-ass cheap gear? i've said enough times i have a behringer mixer. it 'works' but when you can get better for the same money why the fuck should i recommend it?

have you ever dealt with B's customer service? if not, shut up, listen and learn from those who have. i was told my guitar amp would be repaired "within 18 months, probably" with no refund or replacement.

i did a huge long thread about respecting people. that's all good, especially newbies. but you us to LIE to people who want to think cheap flimsy gear is good?

i never realised you were such a moron, and for that i'm embarrassed at my lack of judgement.

 

[Mustafa Salaam]

Some behringer users that are less professional than MrQ:
?

Show me 1 POST WHERE I SAID I WAS "HOLIER THAN THOU"!!!??

SHOW ME 1 POST WHERE I STATED THAT MY GEAR WAS BETTER THAN ANY-1 !!!

SHOW ME 1 POST WHERE I SAID THAT I AM AN "ENGINEERING ELITE" !!

Listen acorec, you and I can go back and forth on Behringer Mixers all day long but you answer me ONE GOT-D@MN question;
If you are so hooked on Beh MX8000, then WHY did you go out and buy a ALLEN & HEATH!!??

 

[Mustafa Salaam]

Mustafa is here 'cause Q.rM's got you on IGNORE

 

[acorec]

ok then acorec, here's the questions, between adults. don't get all prickly and childish, just answer the questions. all of them.

when did you become such a prick?

why the hell should anyone defend weak-ass cheap gear? i've said enough times i have a behringer mixer. it 'works' but when you can get better for the same money why the fuck should i recommend it?

have you ever dealt with B's customer service? if not, shut up, listen and learn from those who have. i was told my guitar amp would be repaired "within 18 months, probably" with no refund or replacement.

i did a huge long thread about respecting people. that's all good, especially newbies. but you us to LIE to people who want to think cheap flimsy gear is good?

i never realised you were such a moron, and for that i'm embarrassed at my lack of judgement.

It takes all kinds of people I guess. I defend what is right. Behringer has been bashed so much that people really have no idea as to the truth or what is fiction. Some others are Studio Projects and Oktava. All of these products have been bashed endlessly by people who have had bad product out-of-the-box.

The truth is that of the Behringer mixers/EQs that I have dealt with, all have really performeds great. I (and many others) have pro level recordings that were made on the Behringer mixers.

The Oktava mics are damn good mics. The trick is to get a good one that is working fine.

Studio Projects (I haer) are fine mics and people who own them fight for the SP label.

You cannot get better for the money than most of the behringer stuff. Used is NOT a comparison. NEW for NEW, behringer's MX9000 WITH METER BRIDGE is THREE time less that the comparable Mackie board. The MX9000 is every bit as useable as the Mackie equivalent.

Enough said.

If you can't see why people buy behringer products, it is you who is a moron.

 

[Mustafa Salaam]

So what you're sayin is 2+2=5 huh?

OK that sums up everything!

 

[Mustafa Salaam]

Yo' noisedude, let it go man it's not worth it!

Let's just sit back, kick up our feet and grab a beer and await the next installment of radiorickm's "As The UB-World Turns"!

Peace
Q.rM

 

[chessrock]

The truth is that of the Behringer mixers/EQs that I have dealt with, all have really performeds great.

Generally, when Behringer gear is bashed . . . no one is saying that every single unit is going to suck. We're just playing the odds. Although you might be the exception, like Acorec, truth is that the law of averages will make it much more likely that you're going to run in to problems with it shortly down the line -- than you would if you bought something that has a better track record.

Does that make any sense?

Let me give you an analogy: Imagine for a second that I was contemplating buying a home in a heavy flood region that has been known, throughout history, for being hit by major hurricanes from time to time.

Now suppose there's thousands of people who have lived there for their entire lives and have never experienced any flooding or hurricanes. Now these people are, of course, going to tell me: Chess, we've lived here our entire lives and have never been hit.

Do you still think I should move there?

These people are what are called the exception. Do you understand exceptions, Acorec? Or do you need me to explain it to you?

I (and many others) have pro level recordings that were made on the Behringer mixers.

I know of many celebrity marriages that have lasted a lifetime, too. It can be done. But if you had to bet your life savings on how long a given celebrity marriage was going to work out . . . where would your money be put.

Again, we're talking averages, here, Acorec. Averages . . . also known as odds. You ever take a statistics class, Acorec?

The Oktava mics are damn good mics. The trick is to get a good one that is working fine.

That's such a beautiful statement that sums things up on so many levels. The trick is to get a good one that is working fine. Now the way you word it is what's interesting -- as if finding a good one is somehow "tricky."

Tricky -- Requiring caution or skill: a tricky recipe

Now applying this same logic to your Behringer stuff; if you had your choice between two audio products: Would you rather get something that is tricky to find a good one . . . or tricky to make sound good?

I suppose if you like a challenge. But what if there's comparably-priced product that not only sounds better, but has a much better repair record and is infinitely easier to make sound good. Some of it even has better features.

You cannot get better for the money than most of the behringer stuff.

Ahem! Bullshit.

I'll take you up on your challenge, though, Moron. Throw two or three random Behringer products at me, and I'll find something comparably priced that's better. And I'll provide a link for anyone who might be shopping.

I have enough Behringer gear myself . . . but I'm not even close to being enough of an idiot to think I couldn't have done better. I'm not going to rant on this board trying to rationalize my purchases, because I know that even the stuff I have that works fine. . . is either the exception or is on the brink of breaking down at any time, now. But I have backup plans in those events. I'm not going to disillusion myself or others in to thinking I've somehow stumbled upon any gems.

In the end, if you insist on owning this crap, be sure to have a backup plan!

 

[noisedude]

chess, you're right again. that's what i'm trying to say. i own and have owned behringer stuff and whilst i don't regret it i wish i'd bought cleverer. i want the best for my money and behringer is quite often not it.

acorec, just whatever man. Q's right, this was a good thread turned sour and not by the milk jokes. enjoy your gear man, sincerely, but respect the facts even if you don't respect my opinion.

 

[StevenLindsey]

Behringer's just part of the learning curve. Nothing to argue about. Most of you here started with some of it. Many many more are going to start with some of it. May as well just get used to it and let the beginners enjoy their experience. I did. And none of my crummy B....gear has missed a lick. Seems pretty well made to me fer as cheap as it is. And, as soon as my 4400 headphone amp dies, if it does, I'll have a 4700 ( or the current model ) on order that day. I think the B2's gonna have to go though... eventually.

 

[MISTERQCUE]

Good point there Steve!

Though I may have sounded harsh in my SEVERE criticism of Behringer mixers, I in no way whatsoever intended to BELITTLE ANY owner of these mixers nor am I trying to come off as some-1 who's SUPERIOR than others! Some Beh mixer owners have stated that thier board has provided more than satisfactory results while many others have complained about excessive noise and operational failures & breakdowns.
This is TOTALLY unacceptable!
98% of us here are not endowed with vast quantities of cash reserves! Most of us have to make do with our most-limited budgets and insure that our gear-dollars are used to purchase
products that are dependable and offering good quality while being cost-effective, unlike Beh's mixers which are HIT or MISS!!
Thus, why would anyone invest in a unit that is such!!??
acorec, in his stubborn refusal to see past his own nose, harangues me for knocking Beh products while not acknowledging the fact that I DO USE a few Beh products which have provided me with adequate results.
All I'm trying to do is kick out some science to those who are CONSIDERING buying a mixer that may or may not provide decent performance.

Acorec, skip the ignore function; I don't have anything against you and I apologize for calling you an asshole!!! But open your eyes(and ears) son and at least read my ENTIRE posts b-4 you try to ridicule me!!

Peace
Q.rM

 

[wilkee]

The only thing I would like to add to this debate (no sarcasm intended) is that it would not make commercial sense for any company to produce a range of goods where the majority (according to some people ) either break down during the warantee or arrive faulty in the first place.

ANY such company would fail in the first few months.

Buy the berry gear in the UK from a reputable company i.e. Diggy Village and if it fails in the first 12 months it gets replaced or repaired period.

 

[acorec]

Generally, when Behringer gear is bashed . . . no one is saying that every single unit is going to suck. We're just playing the odds. Although you might be the exception, like Acorec, truth is that the law of averages will make it much more likely that you're going to run in to problems with it shortly down the line -- than you would if you bought something that has a better track record.

Does that make any sense?

Let me give you an analogy: Imagine for a second that I was contemplating buying a home in a heavy flood region that has been known, throughout history, for being hit by major hurricanes from time to time.

Now suppose there's thousands of people who have lived there for their entire lives and have never experienced any flooding or hurricanes. Now these people are, of course, going to tell me: Chess, we've lived here our entire lives and have never been hit.

Do you still think I should move there?

These people are what are called the exception. Do you understand exceptions, Acorec? Or do you need me to explain it to you?



I know of many celebrity marriages that have lasted a lifetime, too. It can be done. But if you had to bet your life savings on how long a given celebrity marriage was going to work out . . . where would your money be put.

Again, we're talking averages, here, Acorec. Averages . . . also known as odds. You ever take a statistics class, Acorec?

[/b]

That's such a beautiful statement that sums things up on so many levels. The trick is to get a good one that is working fine. Now the way you word it is what's interesting -- as if finding a good one is somehow "tricky."

Tricky -- Requiring caution or skill: a tricky recipe

Now applying this same logic to your Behringer stuff; if you had your choice between two audio products: Would you rather get something that is tricky to find a good one . . . or tricky to make sound good?

I suppose if you like a challenge. But what if there's comparably-priced product that not only sounds better, but has a much better repair record and is infinitely easier to make sound good. Some of it even has better features.

[/b]

Ahem! Bullshit.

I'll take you up on your challenge, though, Moron. Throw two or three random Behringer products at me, and I'll find something comparably priced that's better. And I'll provide a link for anyone who might be shopping.

I have enough Behringer gear myself . . . but I'm not even close to being enough of an idiot to think I couldn't have done better. I'm not going to rant on this board trying to rationalize my purchases, because I know that even the stuff I have that works fine. . . is either the exception or is on the brink of breaking down at any time, now. But I have backup plans in those events. I'm not going to disillusion myself or others in to thinking I've somehow stumbled upon any gems.

In the end, if you insist on owning this crap, be sure to have a backup plan! [/B]

OK, find me the equivilent of a MX9000 w/meter bridge for $1299 new. You really think that an equivilent Mackie w/meter bridge, weighing in at over $4000 is almost 4X better? You, sir, are on serious drugs with your statement. I have used the MX8000 and an MX9000 (for a couple of sessions). These are greay boards and totally comparable to the Mackie equivilent.

As to the statement of statistics, you bring the bad one back and get a good one. I guess you have not figured that one out yet.

 

[acorec]

Good point there Steve!

Though I may have sounded harsh in my SEVERE criticism of Behringer mixers, I in no way whatsoever intended to BELITTLE ANY owner of these mixers nor am I trying to come off as some-1 who's SUPERIOR than others! Some Beh mixer owners have stated that thier board has provided more than satisfactory results while many others have complained about excessive noise and operational failures & breakdowns.
This is TOTALLY unacceptable!
98% of us here are not endowed with vast quantities of cash reserves! Most of us have to make do with our most-limited budgets and insure that our gear-dollars are used to purchase
products that are dependable and offering good quality while being cost-effective, unlike Beh's mixers which are HIT or MISS!!
Thus, why would anyone invest in a unit that is such!!??
acorec, in his stubborn refusal to see past his own nose, harangues me for knocking Beh products while not acknowledging the fact that I DO USE a few Beh products which have provided me with adequate results.
All I'm trying to do is kick out some science to those who are CONSIDERING buying a mixer that may or may not provide decent performance.

Acorec, skip the ignore function; I don't have anything against you and I apologize for calling you an asshole!!! But open your eyes(and ears) son and at least read my ENTIRE posts b-4 you try to ridicule me!!

Peace
Q.rM

Dude, I am not here to harass you, but, you have a Topaz mixing board, right?

Well, I can tell you that the tracxk record on that board is not so good. They had a large number of them fail with serious problems stemming from the way they designed the power supply. There are lots of the old ones that died. I know because my buddy used to do the repair work at a pro sound facility when the Topaz was current. So, using your logic, the Topaz is a seriously flawed mixer. Do people bash them? Not on this BBS, but go to some of the pro BBS's and open a thread about the Topaz and watch the sparks fly. It is all relative. We are HOME recording, behringer is bashed here. PRO recording BBS, Topaz is bashed there. And so it goes in life.

 

[chessrock]

you bring the bad one back and get a good one.

I suppose if you like spending your time bringing things back, then by all means . . .

I'm just wondering what happens once it breaks down on you two years down the road and your warrantee is up (?) $1,300 doesn't seem so bad for a working console of it's magnitude, but it would make for an awfully expensive paper weight.

Shit, I'll spend a hundred bucks on one of their headphone amps and take my chances. I'll even get a set of truths for 300 bucks and roll the dice . . . but damn, that's $1,300 you're gambling with.

Now I realize this might be sacrificing a feature or two, but if I had $1,300 to work with and had to get a mixer/console with the greatest possible number of tracks, features, etc. I'd just put it in to a digital board like an O1V . And a freakin' patchbay.

I suppose that might not meet all of your qualifications, but whatever sacrifices you might have to make in terms of features will be more than made up for in reliability, sound quality, and servicability. Since we didn't put any money on this bet, I guess I don't owe you anything. But I will send you an autographed picture of Uli for your birthday, alright?

 

[noisedude]

LMAO!

man, this thread died big time. a couple of pages ago we were having loads of fun. i'll be interested to see if radiorickm returns with month two as i've noticed he also posts on the 'other side'.....

 

[MISTERQCUE]

Chessrock, you're insane!!!!!!!!



Acorec, I GIVE UP!!!!


It's time to tell you the truth acorec but first I must inform you that you are most wrong about my board!

I don't own a Topaz!

I own a SSL ser J with Neve pre's! I own 15 U87's and 8 TLM103's! I am indeed a FAMOUS & SUCCESSFUL,PROFESSIONAL RECORDING ENGINEER having recorded Diana Ross, Celine Dion, Brittan Spears,Anita Baker, Aretha Franklin, Ella Fitzgerald, The Andrew Sisters, Judy Garland,Bette Midler, Celia Cruz,Luther Vandross, The Temptations, Lucciano Pavorotti, John Lennon, Parliment/Funkidelic, ColdPlay, Kool & The Gang, Led Zepp (both studio and live)James Brown,Chick Corea, Al Dimeola, the Brecker Bros, Herbie Hancock,Tito Puente and Willie Colon,Joe Sample, Will Lee, Stanley Clarke,Eric Gale,Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rare Earth, The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, The Harlem Boys Choir, The Boston Pops, The New York Philharmonic, The London Symphony Orchestra, Boy George, The Village People,Johnny Cash, Shania Twain, Aaron Neville,Tim McGraw, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Lionel Hampton,Count Basie,Benny Goodman JUST TO NAME A FEW!!!
Among the numerous muscal and engineering accolades I've rec'd (I've been awarded 28 GRAMMY's), the greatest honor I've been given(and not counting the Congressional Medal of Honor for advancing the state of Music & Recording to it's highest degree) was being inducted into the HALL OF FAME OF ARTS and SCIENCES!!!!
With the riches I have earned as a PROFESSIONAL RECORDING ENGINEER, I recently purchased a 20-Story building in the heart of NYC where I had 12- 64 & 128-track studios built complete with the FINEST of RECORDING GEAR known to man-kind!!
I am proud of my accomplishments and hope to share all of my expertise with my daughter, who will take over my recording conglomerate when I retire!!

Acorec, I am fully aware that this is a home recording site!
My reason for participating here is relatively simple...............;


I bask in the knowledge that EVERY member of this site are nothing but unskilled,inferior peasants, possessing cheap toy-like "recording gear"! You are all beneath and will never attain the goal of being a FAMOUS & SUCCESSFUL RECORDING ENGINEER such as myself!!!

Are you feelin' me now!!??

 

[noisedude]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

man i knew i was in the presence of greatness but not this much greatness!!

can i have your old topaz then? you could bundle it up with your mackie and ship it to me. i'll pay shipping if you want, but i guess it's small change to you?

the one question i know EVERYONE has .... if acrorec was the second on the Ignore list ....... who was the first? (not Mustafa, I hope)

 

[FatDogStudios]

ME!!!!!!