noisedude
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geet73 said:
*sighs again*
i dunno why i bother.
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*sighs again*
i dunno why i bother.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
geet73 said:
....or make it sound any better!
Michael Jones
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Some people are just hell-bent on learning the hard way, noisedude.noisedude said:
You can lead a horse to water, but...
...he'll still buy a Behringer mixer.
noisedude
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i reckon if yamaha had made their MG mixers silver or charcoal instead of blue there would be no debate on this now, Q. i will say it again, if anyone wants my UB1204 mixer, as new, boxed and still working (you can't include that in saying 'as new') they are welcome to buy if off me. i'd love that last bit of dough to upgrade!
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88fingers
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Re: Remeber guys, this IS HOMErecording.com.
What mixer are you pointing to that's exactly the same cost as a Behringer mixer? I have the UB2442 Behringer and searched around for months for the best price for the most options; what's the exact same price that offers just as many possibilities? I mean, don't get me wrong; I would love to have an M12, but that's about $500 out of my price range.
chessrock said:
What mixer are you pointing to that's exactly the same cost as a Behringer mixer? I have the UB2442 Behringer and searched around for months for the best price for the most options; what's the exact same price that offers just as many possibilities? I mean, don't get me wrong; I would love to have an M12, but that's about $500 out of my price range.
noisedude
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well you can look at 2nd-hand mackies for a start. there's loads around and they last well, unlike some other brands i seem to discuss a lot ...
here's my example though, www.digital-village.co.uk, which i've only done to settle this argument as far as possible once and for all:
Behringer UB1622FX £146
4 IMP pres, two stereo mixes. Real noisy FX.
Yamaha MG12/4 £126
6 pres, two stereo busses. No FX.
Yamaha MG16/4 £175
10 pres! 2 stereo mixes. No FX.
when you realise you can have a better mic mixer for less than the behringer you start to realise what a false economy they are. for £30 more you HAVE to take the 16/4 and have a PROPER piece of gear.
here's my example though, www.digital-village.co.uk, which i've only done to settle this argument as far as possible once and for all:
Behringer UB1622FX £146
4 IMP pres, two stereo mixes. Real noisy FX.
Yamaha MG12/4 £126
6 pres, two stereo busses. No FX.
Yamaha MG16/4 £175
10 pres! 2 stereo mixes. No FX.
when you realise you can have a better mic mixer for less than the behringer you start to realise what a false economy they are. for £30 more you HAVE to take the 16/4 and have a PROPER piece of gear.
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geet73
OMG!
I never said it would make it better. I just said that it won't ruin a recording, unless there's something actually wrong with the mixer.
I understand that they are not the best you can buy.. I was too impatient to find a better deal. I needed a mixer.
I feel I'm arguing about abortion.. heh.
I understand that they are not the best you can buy.. I was too impatient to find a better deal. I needed a mixer.
I feel I'm arguing about abortion.. heh.
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chessrock
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I think where the misunderstanding is occuring is this: Some of the people on this board aren't all that serious about recording and some are.
Guys like myself . . . or Michael or Mr Q, etc. etc. like to concern ourselves with making things sound good. Or at least as good as they can possibly be. We like things that have what would be considered to be good sound quality. We're kinda' funny that way -- in almost an obsessive/compulsatory way, we admit.
Where the confusion comes in to play is that guys like us oftentimes assume that everone is just like us.
When we'd probably just be a lot happier if we realized that some people don't really care if the milk isn't fresh -- they just want something to put in their coffee because they don't like to drink it black.
For those of you who are in this boat, understand that guys like me do not look down on you or put our noses in the air at you. Please understand this. In fact, many of you would be pretty damn cool to hang out with because you're probably a lot more laid back than guys like us who obsess all the time over sound.
Now I'm not sure how familiar any of you guys are with the 3 to 1 rule as far as most internet boards work: that's 3 lurkers to every 1 poster. In other words, the vast majority of the people garneshing information from boards like this are not even participating. We're basically just a bunch of fools performing for other people's sheer amuzement. So understand that when I bash a Behringer product, I'm doing it mostly for their benefit. You gotta' figure at least one out of the 3 lurkers is going to be concerned with getting good sound, and avoiding poorly-built and unreliable products . . . so we try to throw them a bone from time to time.
I hope this clears a few things up for you.
Sincerely,
Chess
Guys like myself . . . or Michael or Mr Q, etc. etc. like to concern ourselves with making things sound good. Or at least as good as they can possibly be. We like things that have what would be considered to be good sound quality. We're kinda' funny that way -- in almost an obsessive/compulsatory way, we admit.
Where the confusion comes in to play is that guys like us oftentimes assume that everone is just like us.
When we'd probably just be a lot happier if we realized that some people don't really care if the milk isn't fresh -- they just want something to put in their coffee because they don't like to drink it black.For those of you who are in this boat, understand that guys like me do not look down on you or put our noses in the air at you. Please understand this. In fact, many of you would be pretty damn cool to hang out with because you're probably a lot more laid back than guys like us who obsess all the time over sound.
Now I'm not sure how familiar any of you guys are with the 3 to 1 rule as far as most internet boards work: that's 3 lurkers to every 1 poster. In other words, the vast majority of the people garneshing information from boards like this are not even participating. We're basically just a bunch of fools performing for other people's sheer amuzement. So understand that when I bash a Behringer product, I'm doing it mostly for their benefit. You gotta' figure at least one out of the 3 lurkers is going to be concerned with getting good sound, and avoiding poorly-built and unreliable products . . . so we try to throw them a bone from time to time.
I hope this clears a few things up for you.
Sincerely,
Chess
noisedude
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i'd go with that, chess. good work.
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acorec
Banned
Re: Re: Remeber guys, this IS HOMErecording.com.
I can say that I have had a Behringer MX8000 and a Mackie 24/8bus (same as the behringer). I thought the Behringer was a better mixer. Then I got my Allen and Heath 32/4 and saw the light. The same fools that are bashing the behringers are using the Mackies which are a huge pile of shit. At least the behringers are 1/2 the cost (if not 1/3 the cost ) of the Mackies. Mackies are no deal and a used Mackie is even less of a deal. So, it is nice that people bash the Behringers, but if you have a Mackie and think you are above the "behringer" crowd, you would be wrong.
Therefore, I would recommend a Behringer board if you are on a serious budget because Mackies are not better by any means and cost a whole lot more with no step-up in sound. If you can wait and save $$$, then bypass both and look to the Allen & Heath and Souncraft mixers.
88fingers said:
I can say that I have had a Behringer MX8000 and a Mackie 24/8bus (same as the behringer). I thought the Behringer was a better mixer. Then I got my Allen and Heath 32/4 and saw the light. The same fools that are bashing the behringers are using the Mackies which are a huge pile of shit. At least the behringers are 1/2 the cost (if not 1/3 the cost ) of the Mackies. Mackies are no deal and a used Mackie is even less of a deal. So, it is nice that people bash the Behringers, but if you have a Mackie and think you are above the "behringer" crowd, you would be wrong.
Therefore, I would recommend a Behringer board if you are on a serious budget because Mackies are not better by any means and cost a whole lot more with no step-up in sound. If you can wait and save $$$, then bypass both and look to the Allen & Heath and Souncraft mixers.
noisedude
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Re: Re: Re: Remeber guys, this IS HOMErecording.com.
i guess you're entitled to your opinions. it's a shame that in this case you're WRONG . never mind.
acorec said:
i guess you're entitled to your opinions. it's a shame that in this case you're WRONG . never mind.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Re: Re: Re: Remeber guys, this IS HOMErecording.com.
acorec said:
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acorec
Banned
Re: Re: Re: Re: Remeber guys, this IS HOMErecording.com.
I call the people who have equipment that is more expensive, but continually bash others who CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHING BUT behringer products "fools". You bash Behringer products pretty often and never consider the feelings of the people who CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHIN BUT behringer products. Most people just ask about a product and want to know if it will do the job. The fucking truth is that most behringer equipment will do a fine job. Some won't. But, it is YOU who lump everything they make into the same barrel. This whole newsgroup is just getting way out of hand and there are too many "wanna-be-pros" running around.
So, to answer your statement, when you bash products, peopole who buy those products don't feel too good. Wnen I post about products, good or bad, I post from experience and try not to bash the bad. I just tell the facts. Here is a fact: I had a Blue Tube that blew up within 6 months of ownership. I told peolple about it. Does this mean that all presonus products suck? No. It was MINE that did. If someone wanted to buy one, I would just tell them that there are better pres out there and that would be that.
MISTERQCUE said:
I call the people who have equipment that is more expensive, but continually bash others who CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHING BUT behringer products "fools". You bash Behringer products pretty often and never consider the feelings of the people who CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHIN BUT behringer products. Most people just ask about a product and want to know if it will do the job. The fucking truth is that most behringer equipment will do a fine job. Some won't. But, it is YOU who lump everything they make into the same barrel. This whole newsgroup is just getting way out of hand and there are too many "wanna-be-pros" running around.
So, to answer your statement, when you bash products, peopole who buy those products don't feel too good. Wnen I post about products, good or bad, I post from experience and try not to bash the bad. I just tell the facts. Here is a fact: I had a Blue Tube that blew up within 6 months of ownership. I told peolple about it. Does this mean that all presonus products suck? No. It was MINE that did. If someone wanted to buy one, I would just tell them that there are better pres out there and that would be that.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Remeber guys, this IS HOMErecording.com.
"Consider the feelings of people" !!?? Ooooh , I'm sooooo sorry If I made anybody cry!! That statement has to be the most childish thing I've read in defense of a Behringer product! Come on man,
grow the eff up!!!
And as far as Behringer products are concerned, I own & USE the AutoComm, Composer,a pair of ECM8000's, The Intelligate and the Edison so I DO NOT BASH ALL THINGS BEHRINGER nor do I own ALL TOP OF THE LINE GEAR so PLEASE do yourself a favor and STOP using that excuse.
Dude, I BASH BEHRINGER MIXERS, DSP's and thier Customer dis-Service Dept and that is all I BASH!!!
The bottom line is if you wanna buy a better product then Behringer, JUST SAVE A FEW $$$ MORE; CHECK E-BAY, PAWNSHOPS what-ever-the-f#ck, but take your weak-@ss defense of Behringer mixers to some-1 who doesn't know any better!!!!
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Peace
Q.rM
.acorec said:
"Consider the feelings of people" !!?? Ooooh , I'm sooooo sorry If I made anybody cry!! That statement has to be the most childish thing I've read in defense of a Behringer product! Come on man,
grow the eff up!!!
And as far as Behringer products are concerned, I own & USE the AutoComm, Composer,a pair of ECM8000's, The Intelligate and the Edison so I DO NOT BASH ALL THINGS BEHRINGER nor do I own ALL TOP OF THE LINE GEAR so PLEASE do yourself a favor and STOP using that excuse.
Dude, I BASH BEHRINGER MIXERS, DSP's and thier Customer dis-Service Dept and that is all I BASH!!!
The bottom line is if you wanna buy a better product then Behringer, JUST SAVE A FEW $$$ MORE; CHECK E-BAY, PAWNSHOPS what-ever-the-f#ck, but take your weak-@ss defense of Behringer mixers to some-1 who doesn't know any better!!!!
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Peace
Q.rM
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
I'm done with this thread!
Go on radiorickm and give us your updates on your UB!
Again I apologize to you for destroying your thread! I'm sorry!
Peace
Aaron
Go on radiorickm and give us your updates on your UB!
Again I apologize to you for destroying your thread! I'm sorry!
Peace
Aaron
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acorec
Banned
MISTERQCUE said:
Some behringer users that are less professional than MrQ:
Tom Abraham
FOH Engineer
Garbage, Eve 6, Queensryche
Don Airey
Keyboards
Deep Purple
UK
Kenny Aronoff
Drums
Alice Cooper, Bon Jovi, Joe Cocker, Mick Jagger, Ricky Martin...
USA
Alice Cooper
Recording Artist
John Rabbit Bundrick
Keyboards/Vocals
The Who, Free, Mick Jagger...
Mel Gaynor
Drums/Vocals, Composer/Producer
Joan Armatrading, Elton John, Robert Palmer, Simple Minds, Goldie
Sammy Peralta
Producer / Writer Remixer / Jazz Musician
Gloria Estefan,Janet Jackson,Mariah Carey
SAE
Educational institution for audio, multimedia and digital film
Geoff Whitehorn
Guitar/Vocals
Roger Chapman, Free, The Who
John Volanski
Electrical and audio engineer
Peter Wolf
Composer, Arranger, Producer
I guess these people REALLY have no clue about being "pro"
Maybe you can e-mail them and tell them that they are "stupid" to buy behringer products?
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
YO ......Mr Q!
Sorry you're mad about this......but I've made the same point. When some newbie has already bought a Behringer mixer .........you shouldn't use such nasty insulting terms to describe his purchase. It's just a matter of courtesy. When you tell someone that he's bought a "piece of crap" and that it amazes you how people make such stupid decisions and so on , ..... you're insulting the guy that bought it whether you intend to or not. There are more friendly ways to suggest that he should move to something better when he can.
Now Chessrock makes an excellent point that I hadn't thought of.......that the responses are mainly meant for those still making their buying decisions. I can see that is an important issue and totally justifies pointing out that there are better mixers out there.
I just wish everyone would be a little more considerate of newbies' feelings and not be quite so denigrating about it.
Sorry you're mad about this......but I've made the same point. When some newbie has already bought a Behringer mixer .........you shouldn't use such nasty insulting terms to describe his purchase. It's just a matter of courtesy. When you tell someone that he's bought a "piece of crap" and that it amazes you how people make such stupid decisions and so on , ..... you're insulting the guy that bought it whether you intend to or not. There are more friendly ways to suggest that he should move to something better when he can.
Now Chessrock makes an excellent point that I hadn't thought of.......that the responses are mainly meant for those still making their buying decisions. I can see that is an important issue and totally justifies pointing out that there are better mixers out there.
I just wish everyone would be a little more considerate of newbies' feelings and not be quite so denigrating about it.
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Ummmm excuse me radiorickm;
Yo' acorec, you're an @ss-hole and now you are 1 of 2 people on my "IGNORE" list!
'Nuff said!
We will now return you back to your regularly scheduled program.
Yo' acorec, you're an @ss-hole and now you are 1 of 2 people on my "IGNORE" list!
'Nuff said!
We will now return you back to your regularly scheduled program.
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acorec
Banned
MISTERQCUE said:Ummmm excuse me radiorickm;
Yo' acorec, you're an @ss-hole and now you are 1 of 2 people on my "IGNORE" list!
'Nuff said!
We will now return you back to your regularly scheduled program.
You can certainly dish it out but you can't take it. Amazing (not)
BTW, I don't really understand about "ignore list". I thought we were dealing with adults here. Oh well, what can I say?
MISTERQCUE
Not Just Anutha Brutha
Lt. Bob said:
Ahhh come on General Bob, you know I could NEVER,EVER argue with you!! That's not fair!!!
I was doin' fine until you jumped in!!!
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