Starting @ Full Sail...

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47ronin is absolutely on target.

The more you learn (the yamaha sound reinforcement handbook teaches a lot of the basic principals of sound and the applications of many real world devices found in the audio world), the more you might find that schools like Full Sail are not for you.

What 47ronin also stated about real world education (no pun intended) is also true. Getting that education really requires putting yourself in a studio setting a lot. A school can teach you everything you need to know to run a J series SSL board, but you'll never really learn the board until you're using it day after day.

Again, it's really up to you though.
 
My Nephew went there.....after graduating he could'nt find a job. He's now a landscaper. And honestly, I know more than he does just from hands on and being here !
 
I would say about 85% Recording Arts students are artists themselves and whether or not they admit it the only reason they go to school for Recording is because they think that if the learn how to record their music they will be the next big thing. While focusing on THEIR music they fail to learn anything that would help anothers music sound better and become very one Dimensional. About 10% are just unfocused following a dream they really don't care about (yeah sounds weird but I see it every day) they do nothing outside of school to learn more about recording and don't try hard or even show up for class.

Know here is the part that gives most recording schools a bad name. If you do the math that’s 95% of students who don't really have much of a chance for success in the industry. That 95% starts to complain that the school sucks and is overpriced blah, blah blah blah. (See Fullsailsucks.com) and the successful 5% opinions are drown out by all the losers.

That was just me venting but here is my advice. (This is what I did and its been working well so far)

Spend about 6 months working 2 jobs and buy some medium quality gear. I suggest a Powerbook and digi002 rack. Portable gives you more opportunities to record. Then spend another 6 months recording anyone you can find and reading anything you can get your hands on.

If after that your still into it (recording) then go for it take out a loan and work hard and work hard and you should probably work hard too.

Don’t forget full sail is a SCHOOL there are some classes that suck and some teachers who stink (Those who can’t do teach!) but there are a few who are there for benefits and retirement funds but are great engineers and very knowledgeable about the industry and what they do.

I have an internship and get a lot more opportunities then the other interns because I know pro tools very well and I am still in school!!! One month to go at full sail

I have a lot to learn still but Full Sail got me off to a good start!

Peace
 
This is the second time I've been called a loser on this forum and I have to say that it's pretty inspiring.

I think once you get out you'll be faced with the real world concerns and situations that we all face and perhaps you'll make the right decisions for yourself, perhaps you won't. Don't blindly assume that recording schools are the key to anything. I think once you're out you'll realize, like pretty much all the other grads who are working in the business have realized, it was you all along and not Full Sail. In that sense, Full Sail is not a necessity, just a nice vacation.

Hopefully you'll have great success once you graduate. I wish you the best of luck even though luck has nothing to do with succeeding.
 
I only worked 40-60 hours total over two months at my free internship before I started getting paid. That would not have happened without full sail.

Full Sail a vacation !?!?!?!?

With a part-time internship
Full Time Full Sail and 30-40hrs a week at job I have had for over 2 years I call 8 hours of sleep a vacation. Seems Like alot to handle but then again unlike most full sail students and grads I am serious about making it in the indusrty.

Full Sail will not put you on top but no school will. Education is only to get you to the top faster IF you want to work hard.
 
Boy have I got a deal for you!

I'm still serving active duty with the Marines and I just found out, my cushy job in Okinawa I had set up.....3 years....office.....school.....guitar....scuba diving.... just got "kanked" and I am going back to the Big Sandbox......Damm....just spent 10 months over there! ha....anyway, if any of you want to switch places for a couple months....let me know.....ha.....Ill intern at any studio....set up crap....clean the needles out of the bathrooms....make coffee.....or goto Starbucks
let me know...!


: )

Michael
 
I embarked on a three year long producer education a year ago, and now I've dropped out. It was a friggin' disaster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like most teachers in the business are those who never "made it". They may very well be quite good at what they do, but you'll never be taught by a "pro" in school - the reason being that they have better things to do, like recording ;)
...and tend to hang on to that as long as they are in demand.
 
Everyone knows the saying "Those who can't do, Teach" But that appllies to EVERY school not just recording schools. It really does not matter if an instructor is an awesome engineer. Understanding the fundamentals of how a compressor works, console signal flow or any audio software etc.. does not require creative talent. A recording school is not going to teach you how to mix but it will give you the tools to get "the mix in your head" on to tape. If the mix in your head sucks then there is nothing except time and practice that can correct that.
 
Michaelyu5 said:
Boy have I got a deal for you!

I'm still serving active duty with the Marines and I just found out, my cushy job in Okinawa I had set up.....3 years....office.....school.....guitar....scuba diving.... just got "kanked" and I am going back to the Big Sandbox......Damm....just spent 10 months over there! ha....anyway, if any of you want to switch places for a couple months....let me know.....ha.....Ill intern at any studio....set up crap....clean the needles out of the bathrooms....make coffee.....or goto Starbucks
let me know...!
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Shit Mike,

Sorry to hear about it. God bless.
 
ragata said:
I embarked on a three year long producer education a year ago, and now I've dropped out. It was a friggin' disaster. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like most teachers in the business are those who never "made it". They may very well be quite good at what they do, but you'll never be taught by a "pro" in school - the reason being that they have better things to do, like recording ;)
...and tend to hang on to that as long as they are in demand.
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The reality is most schools only hire their own graduates because it's one more way of justifying the reason the students went to school in the first place. It also helps to perpetuate the fact that the guys teaching are just regurgitating what that they learned when they went to school without any real world experience.

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Good luck Mike.
 
sk8ingsnowman said:
I only worked 40-60 hours total over two months at my free internship before I started getting paid. That would not have happened without full sail.
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How do you know that it wouldn't have happened?
Did you try?
Did you go to these studios and try to intern for a while before you went to Full Sail?

I know you didn't. If you had, you wouldn't have gone to Full Sail because you would already be where you are now.

Meh!
 
School is what you make of it

I had the opportunity to go to the Musicians Institute in hollywood. I soon found out that most schools like that are selling the "dream". Out of all the students I went to school with, I would say the majority of them do not have what it takes. Most of these schools just want $$. But if you are motivated to learn, and are ready to get serious about it, the sky is the limit.
If you want to intern, and have no connections, I would say school is your best route. I don't regret for one minute going to MI. I met so many connections here in town that my plate stays full, and I have made connections that will help me in the future.
 
Its a real good thing to see the truthe like what I was trying to say come out.. You get out of it what you put in, they dont teach you everything but you can learn everything.. That was all I was trying to explain, was the experience of it in general.. I hope the ones that think only one way see the bigger picture one day..
 
Bottom line, if you have it in you to succeed, you will succeed. I think we've established that. Saying someone can graduate from a recording school and make it if they truly want to is saying nothing because if the person truly wants to they will succeed with or without the school.

The question here is whether or not recording schools give you a better edge on success.
 
^ hes so sour about schools.. Did you get molested at fullsail or something?

Of course they give you an edge.. Its school, you grow in more ways then one man, not just as an engineer but you begin to look at life differently too..


PLAIN N SIMPLE, its a school.. you get out what you put in... you obviously put in nothing so you got out nothing.. end of discussion.. stop tryin to beat a dead horse my goodness..
 
Thirst said:
^ hes so sour about schools.. Did you get molested at fullsail or something?

Of course they give you an edge.. Its school, you grow in more ways then one man, not just as an engineer but you begin to look at life differently too..


PLAIN N SIMPLE, its a school.. you get out what you put in... you obviously put in nothing so you got out nothing.. end of discussion.. stop tryin to beat a dead horse my goodness..
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I knew you were here just to start shit, but I decided to indulge you. That's my fault. It really does me no good to tell you what are so I won't waste the time. As I said to you before, if you want to go to Full Sail, do it. They want your money and you want the edge that they give people.

Although I try to treat everyone I debate with as an intelligent adult and don't try to get personal in my posts, you have obviously resorted to this level. I won't join you on that path, young sir so I hope you enjoy the silence you have earned.
 
In everyone of your posts your clowning the school.. You have nothing positive to say at all to anyone about it.. I didnt get personal that was called a joke, you know? Those things that you laugh at after you read them.. They make living life somehow easier ya know..

It just so happens that you have a one track mind and I dont.. My opinion is different and you hate that I think.. I simply think anyone who is dedicated at what they do can be tought by friggen wolves to record and they would know all they wanted to if their dedicated..

www.bostonskylinestudios.com

there ya go smartass call there and ask to speak to adam or his boss.. His boss will tell you that adam is probably the most well rounded engineer there at the multimillion dollar facility aside from the 3 head engineers that have been doing it for 20+ years...

NOW, is that because he went to fullsail? NO.. its because he was dedicated.. yes dedicated, he read books while at fullsail or did whatever he had to learn as much as he does now..

Your sour man.. Accept it.. Your probably one of the kids that went there thinking they would learn everything in a nutshell, and when you graduated and had 30k in debt and didnt know shit becuase you didnt pay attention you my friend got sour.. Shit I'm almost so positive about that I'd bet my life on it... But now at least your making an attempt to be dedicated on this website learning from people that are dedicated..

Just a thought though..

I used the word " dedicated " alot too... hmmm
 
this just in

This Just in

Just had a chat with my uncle who is a decently successful business man about me going to school and what not.. This was his advice...

In sound engineering there are many different aspects not just recording music.. Theres tons of stuff to do that pays very well.. Anyone who applies for the job with a degree shows a level of dedication towards an area as apposed to someone that doesnt have a degree in that area doesnt have.. You will always make more money with a degree. Going to school is an experience in itself that will help shape you not only into who you want to be what what your going to be for the rest of your life.. There alot of people that will tell you and make up story's about everything because its not what they were looking for, like a person that got fired from a job, most of them talk shit about their job when in fact if you really analyze it the job wasn't that bad..

he also commented because I was telling him the opinions of people on here.. He said once ina while you find people that dont need school to succeed, there are people out their he says hes sure of that own their own studios and build their own business's and own car shops n such.. But That was also some time ago, nowadays is a different world where everyone is running around saying they can do everything. Practically everyone around here says there a mechanic but how many are certified. He also said that sometimes people that dont go to college make more then college graduates becuase their hardworking, dedicated, etc etc.. He said anyone who tells you not to go to school is not thinking with the right state of mind or is just not a school person themself.. He told me theres no such thing as a bad school, only bad students... For everyone who graduates and loves it theres someone who didnt graduate n didnt love it.. Much like with everything else..

Bottom line, school WILL give you an edge no matter which way you slice it in the world today. Unless your rvdsm, then the school is out to get your money and will provide you with nothing to learn and get in debt, thats all..

That doesnt mean school is the only way to go, there are all sorts of bluebears im sure out there that will read books and takeover studios and be very successful, school is just another road...
 
DAMN.......

so i ges tat al tat bad engish wa jus ur whei to , like , estabish ur rap creds, eh?
 
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