Starting @ Full Sail...

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If u wanna stay wit something stuck up your ass thats fine too.. Im sorry if my spelling is somehow a problem in your oh so fragile day SIR.. But Ive listened and heard enough, and no, I dont have to leave because this is america freedom of speech, i make my point you make yours and after were done arguing we have a beer and laugh about it, get over it..

anyways, well junior college what would that be? a community college? there arent any decent community colleges around here with majors like this I CHECKED.. Im sorry if im too stupid of a man to know what junior college is, i seem to have been up for a long time n my brain is not functioning well.. now theres umass lowell which has a 4 year program for it.. its 10k a year, 10k time 4 is 40k, same as full sail.. And also Ive completed 2 semesters at a community college and theres a reason why there that cheap, there are no labs nor are there any hands on activitys, maybe somehow u found a super duper secret school that will teach for bringing in cans but over here there isnt.. You can get your panty's in an uproar all u want, Im just tryin to figure out how everyone who didnt go to school thinks you dont HAVE to go to school or bad mouths it becuz they didnt do it.. its becuz of the money the money.. yea lol.. if thats your only excuse then I dont know what to say.. This student lone is given with a 2.9@ secured loan.. payments would be no more then the monthly electrical bill..

BLUEBEAR.. im pretty damn sure u didnt go to school so theres no need to post ur biography.. Im also pretty sure since you own and run your own studio like im assuming you do, you worked hard for it.. NOW.. with all of that said yes, it is indeed very possible that people dont have to go to school for this, yes.. but u dont think in the slightest way some people have no choice? Im not sure how u recorded bands or your customers or whoever u did it for.. but I have no means to do so, I have my bedroom and a sister that sleeps in the next room over.. Hardwork must come with everything and I think bluebear has made the only sence or rather the only logical statement ive taken seriously in this thread.. everyone else is here to force another way onto people when that shouldnt be the case. The case is BOTH ARE good ways, but you people (aside from blue bear) discredit a school becuz u THINK its expensive.. lol man that is cheap for school.. REAL cheap.. like damn near nothing compared to schools that ive seen.. berkely 120k for a BA, North Eastern 80k off campus, umass lowell which is considered the cheapest over here 52k on campus.. and your saying a 34k loan is alot.. man i think yall need to brush up on ur tuition costs... that school is cheap and in my mind well worth it...
 
Thirst said:
You'll never convince me that someone damn good at what they do wont land a job either working for someone else or on his own...
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The job market should take care of that for you.

Now becuz i say I want to go to fullsail doesnt mean im going to learn everything I want, Im bringing all my recording stuff with me to fullsail and ill continue to excel in my recording ways, but how do u get off sayin an education isnt worth it, i dont get it..
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What do engineers do exactly that requires some sort of degree? Most of the engineers you will find in this business have no formal training in the field. Why? If you want to know why things do what they do, don't go to Full Sail. Study physics and acoustics at a university more local to you. I mean, if education is your true motive of course.

and your just thinking studio as in some small peice of shit studio with one booth, the studios over here in the city where im from are nice and they have 2 graduates from full sail, 1 from umass lowell and 1 from berkely, the head engineer said there all awesome people that came there knowing there shit..
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So why not just apply at that studio then? Why jump through unecessary hoops just to get hired at one studio? Get some books, do some research and apply at the studio outright. They'll teach you everything you need to know at the studio itself.

he said only difference was full sail is one of the few state of the art learning facility's in the US... you say buy ur own stuff n learn from that, plz man.. Im 20 and i live with my parents, time to get out and the best option is school... and why not learn about what I love doing..
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I usually don't bother arguing with college kids because they're perspective is so skewed it's not even funny. Almost every college kid I've talked to are in the business of never leaving school. So when people in the industry and the work force tell someone in college to NOT go to school, but rather jump right into the workforce it's natural that the college kid is going to resent that idea. They resent it because it's counter productive to their goal of staying in school for as long as possible.

Your naive and ignorant to the world around you and that's okay. Better to educate yourself for free than pay some "institution of learning" $40,000 to do it for you. You say that you live near a studio that has Full Sail graduates employed there, do you know why? Because Full Sail turns out hundreds of students a year (and that's just for recording engineering!). There is an overabundance of wanna-be AE's floating around and they are all hungry and desperate for jobs. If the studio that you frequent has that many on staff AE's then they won't need any more. So what are you going to do when you get out? Do you honestly think that you will have something that the 50 other applicants won't have? Do you plan on sucking the studio owner off for a job? Come on, man! You are about to enter into a field that is overflowing with new hopefulls just like you waiting to get into the business. Think about the odds of success in this field. They are slim, very slim.

But of course, you're stubborn.
Nothing I'm saying has any effect.



How about this. What is your goal? What do you hope to get out of all of this?

If you want to be a producer, then stop what you are doing now because you're going down the wrong path.

Don't say you want to be an engineer for a producer because that's bullshit. Everyone wants to be the producer. Everyone wants to make the big salaries and run the show and get the credit and respect that the producer gets.

Being a producer has little to do with engineering and a lot to do with salesmanship and networking. These are things you will never learn at Full Sail.
 
wheelema said:


I'll send you a buck for every letter you send me that says they're working in the industry. I'll bet I won't have to pay out more than a buck or two.

Do what you want. If you don't want good advice, fine. Leave.
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now your willing to bet on something you know nothing about.. WHY DONT U GO ON THERE WEBSITE and look at where the students are working.. with a total attendance of 2800 kids im sure ones from the RA degree arent hard to find, n where do u get off saying something like that? You have no idea, you couldnt fathom what happens to those kids when they get out, maybe some decide they dont want to do that for there live, and some others might just give up due to personal reasons, but where do u get off saying there students dont do nothing with what there taught? your full of shit pal, thats like my saying becuz i think your an asshole, ill bet your kids will be drunks bums n prostitutes when they grow up.. man I have more maturity in my left nut then you got in your body.. Think about stuff before you post plz..
 
rvdsm said:


But of course, you're stubborn.
Nothing I'm saying has any effect.



How about this. What is your goal? What do you hope to get out of all of this?

If you want to be a producer, then stop what you are doing now because you're going down the wrong path.

Don't say you want to be an engineer for a producer because that's bullshit. Everyone wants to be the producer. Everyone wants to make the big salaries and run the show and get the credit and respect that the producer gets.

Being a producer has little to do with engineering and a lot to do with salesmanship and networking. These are things you will never learn at Full Sail.
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That im stubborn shit aint true, ive been out of school for 3 years, i scored very well on SAT's and never went to college, I went to the army..

now first time someone makes progress what do i want.. I want to be numero uno, I already write and produce my own music but my knowledge is limited as to how it all works and comes together, out board diagnostic equipment like limiters, 50 million band equalizers, how mics work, why outboard compressors are better then inhouse software ones.. Id like to be able to put together my own cd and not have to ask anyone how to do anything... THATS.. what i want
 
I don't understand why you are being so insulting to everyone. You asked our opinions and we gave it. If you aren't getting the answers you want that's your problem.

Asking the students what they think of the school is worthless. Ask the graduates. Out of those 2000 grads a year how many of them are actually working in the industry?

You think my wage estimates are low and some of that does depend on the part of the country your work in. But I guarantee you the guys who are making more than $30k have been engineering for around 5-10yrs or more.

I hope you understand that $30k could buy you a major label artist for several days and one of the nicest studios in the country for a few weeks. You would get one on one instruction from the engineer and have a demo with yourself as producer. Compare that to a certificate that is essentially worthless. We are just trying to help you understand the value of your investment.

If you are going to go into debt buy a house and some equipment and learn as you go. At least that way you have assets and equity.
 
Thirst said:
YOUR 16 YEARS of recording, me going to full sail probably shaves 10 of that off,
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Shit man! I'm going to Full Sail twice! I'll get 20 years of experience and take over the world!
 
Thirst said:
That im stubborn shit aint true, ive been out of school for 3 years, i scored very well on SAT's and never went to college, I went to the army..

now first time someone makes progress what do i want.. I want to be numero uno, I already write and produce my own music but my knowledge is limited as to how it all works and comes together, out board diagnostic equipment like limiters, 50 million band equalizers, how mics work, why outboard compressors are better then inhouse software ones.. Id like to be able to put together my own cd and not have to ask anyone how to do anything... THATS.. what i want
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You are exactly what Full Sail is looking for.
I say go.
 
What books do You reccomend I read, Im seriously a reader i learn fast and take in alot.. If I can learn all what there gonna teach me ina book ill go out tommorow first thing and buy the books you list, theres a huge bookstore over here that should have them.. Any books that you really reccomend ill buy, and im sorry for any arrogance I might have posted but i have been up for a long time thinking about my future tryin to defend something I thought was good only to find out its trash... I gotta do something about my hopes.. Thank you
 
Thirst said:
What books do You reccomend I read, Im seriously a reader i learn fast and take in alot.. If I can learn all what there gonna teach me ina book ill go out tommorow first thing and buy the books you list, theres a huge bookstore over here that should have them.. Any books that you really reccomend ill buy, and im sorry for any arrogance I might have posted but i have been up for a long time thinking about my future tryin to defend something I thought was good only to find out its trash... I gotta do something about my hopes.. Thank you
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It's not just books and reading. It's a combination between that, finding answers, and experience.

Buy a few books (The Art of Mixing by David Gibson, Mastering Audio by Bob Katz, and Modern Recording Techniques(this was the book we got in my college class [written by my teacher]) by David Miles Huber), read tons of forums, ask dumb questions, and lastly, get some basic equipment and start recording. The more you do it, the better you'll get at it.

But it will all start with a book so you can get the basics and then move on from there.
 
Thirst said:
now your willing to bet on something you know nothing about.. WHY DONT U GO ON THERE WEBSITE and look at where the students are working.. with a total attendance of 2800 kids im sure ones from the RA degree arent hard to find, n where do u get off saying something like that? You have no idea, you couldnt fathom what happens to those kids when they get out, maybe some decide they dont want to do that for there live, and some others might just give up due to personal reasons, but where do u get off saying there students dont do nothing with what there taught? your full of shit pal, thats like my saying becuz i think your an asshole, ill bet your kids will be drunks bums n prostitutes when they grow up.. man I have more maturity in my left nut then you got in your body.. Think about stuff before you post plz..
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Whoa! You were RIGHT! Out of the class of '01 there were TEN RA graduates working!
You got high grades on your SAT (math apparently), so you should be a whiz at this!

2,800 students, divided among six degree programs. I think that would average out to about 467 students per program. So out of the class of '01 1 out of every 46 students, after shelling out $40K, got a job 'in the industry'.

Shit, go for it!

Incidentally, I did not make any personal attacks on you, your anatomy, or your offspring (future at this point in your life I would hope).
 
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Thirst said:
What books do You reccomend I read, Im seriously a reader i learn fast and take in alot.. If I can learn all what there gonna teach me ina book ill go out tommorow first thing and buy the books you list, theres a huge bookstore over here that should have them.. Any books that you really reccomend ill buy, and im sorry for any arrogance I might have posted but i have been up for a long time thinking about my future tryin to defend something I thought was good only to find out its trash... I gotta do something about my hopes.. Thank you
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Don't sweat it. Like I said before I went through the same thing with the helicopter flying and it really does suck to think you may have found something cool to do and then be told you're crazy by the people who actually do it.

Bob Katz has a book that mainly relates to mastering but it covers many of the principle of audio in general and is required reading for any engineer.

Here's a good site to get your feet wet on digital audio www.digido.com Most of it probably won't make any sense at first and it helps to have some gear to practice with but keep at it if you really want to learn.

You can also try calling some studios in the area and tell them your are willing to help out for free. Tell them you will bring coffee and donuts and don't be to proud to do any menial jobs they may need done.
 
It's bleaker than I thought

On the FullSail web site, per FullSail, there were 33 RA '02 grads working in the industry, there were 10 RA '01 grads working, there were 2 RA '00 grads working, and there was 1 RA grad from '99 working.

You can interpret this any way you please.
 
Thirst said:
What books do You reccomend I read, Im seriously a reader i learn fast and take in alot.. If I can learn all what there gonna teach me ina book ill go out tommorow first thing and buy the books you list, theres a huge bookstore over here that should have them.. Any books that you really reccomend ill buy, and im sorry for any arrogance I might have posted but i have been up for a long time thinking about my future tryin to defend something I thought was good only to find out its trash... I gotta do something about my hopes.. Thank you
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When I went to Full Sail, they gave me the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook, a few folders full of some curiculum material and copies of operation manuals for some of the DAW systems they had at the time. I don't know if they've changed things since then, but that stuff was all I needed.
 
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wheelema said:
On the FullSail web site, per FullSail, there were 33 RA '02 grads working in the industry, there were 10 RA '01 grads working, there were 2 RA '00 grads working, and there was 1 RA grad from '99 working.

You can interpret this any way you please.
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Full Sails figures also include grads who run their own studios. So according to their figures I would be a working grad even though I never got a job at a commercial studio post graduation.
 
According to my mastering engineer who went to Full Sail, the "in the industry" placement statistics include people soldering electronics in widgit factories.

Thirst, I'm sorry if you found I was being offensive. You asked why people diss Full Sail and I answered from my experience of why people diss Full Sail. To me it looks like you took offense when I answered your question to the best of my ability.

Take care,
Chris
 
Thirst said:
What books do You reccomend I read, Im seriously a reader i learn fast and take in alot.. If I can learn all what there gonna teach me ina book ill go out tommorow first thing and buy the books you list, theres a huge bookstore over here that should have them.. Any books that you really reccomend ill buy, and im sorry for any arrogance I might have posted but i have been up for a long time thinking about my future tryin to defend something I thought was good only to find out its trash... I gotta do something about my hopes.. Thank you
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I have book recommendations at the bottom of my studio's article webpage.... here...
 
An alternative ?

I was in a similar position to you a couple of years ago. I spent good money on studio engineering course in Dublin (I'm from Ireland). Before I started it I had done some recordings with the limited equipment I owned, and was also working for a company who supplied P.A. and mixed gigs. Before I had even finished the course (a year long, pretty intense), I got offered the job as a the front of house engineer for a band from my home town's tour. I jumped at the chance. Did some gigs with them, finished my course, did more gigs with them, ended up mixing in some really cool venues and festivals, notably the Reading fest. London and the ITC Fest. in Manchester. My point ?

Well, I was actually advised on this board to spend my money on gear, and learn under whoever would put up with me long enough to teach me. I didn't take that advice. But I can honestly say that in the last year, I have learned more about sound engineering from mixing live gigs, recording small-time bands, and reading the internet than I learned in the college. I think it comes down to a point someone else made. Nobody can teach you to automatically hone in on a certain freq. with a paramentric eq when you hear something wrong. The first time I did it I took myself by surprise.

What I am suggesting is this: If it's hard to get intern work at a decent studio...why not work for a live sound outfit for a while ? If you are worried about spending money on equipment you don't know how to use than this will help. You will still have to learn about cable topologies, gain structure, eq, compressors, gates, reverb, speaker systems, microphones, etc. It will also train your ear. Just try and get into a position where you are mixing gigs, or monitors, as quickly as possible. Because it it only here that you really start learning the basics of mixing properly. It can be hard work, but it keeps you fitter than making tea at a studio, and you will get to play with the knobs quicker !

Anyway, just a suggestion.

PapillonIrl
 
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^^

word to Dublin!!
i was in Ireland a couple years back, dublin is a great city, nice drum and bass and jungle scene, at least when i was there :P
i went to see DJ Cam (which was ill) at some club, cant remember the name, but it had a pokadot motif going on, like diffrent color dots in rows on the outside and the inside, wish i could remember the name


peace
LB
 
here is my take on the situation. this is an analogy i suppose. I am a full time student studying japanese language here in japan. before then, i lived in japan for three years and was relatively fluent before i started at this school. however, i feel like having real classes is helping me tremendously.

however, there are somethings to consider...one that i already had a medium to high level of knowledge in what i wanted to study. for recording, as you are 20 years old, there are a ton of books you could read that would help you...if you are paying a lot of money for school it is kind of a waste to learn basic things that you could have learned from a book off of amazon or even from a library. you could learn a lot just from this board. then, if you start school after a year or so of preparation on your own, you can mine your teachers brains for the more intricate and specialized knowledge.

second, back to the language school example....you really learn best by USING what you are studying. you walk into the sushi place, you are the only foreigner, people talk to you. you learn by making mistakes, getting to know people etc.

you need to combine school with real world experience. if you combine them effectively you will do really well. however, you can't expect that taking classes will get you all the way there...even if you do quite a lot of hands on stuff.
if you have decent recording gear now you could offer to people to do free demos, help out with live sound, do publicity grunt work for a studio or show...

if you have got the cash i would say go for the school. it is not going to harm you, it can only help. getting a job in recording is like anything else. you need the skills, the right attitude, connections, and a ton of luck and timing.

good luck

47ronin
 
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