Tascam M520 Story...

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channel 5 and 7 won't play any sound until i rotate the red trim button all the way to the right. then the sound "breaks in" and i can return the trim to the normal (middle) position. sometimes its enough to send a massive kickdrum through these channels and they work.
but in the next session they will fail again, and so on.


The sound "breaks in" when you give a good jolt of juice? Correct me if I'm wrong, all you engineering guys, but isn't that indicative of bad electrolytic capacitors? It doesn't function until bridged or activated with a hefty voltage or current, then behaves itself for a while until the next time of disuse, then have to be "popped" in again with a strong signal?

That's what it sounds like to me. Bad capacitors. I'm no expert, though.:eek:;)
 
---> can be the capacitors, i'm no expert as well :-)

yes the bulbs are expensive here too!
5 euros over here!

check this out i have found a virtual m-520 on the net that allows you to move al knobs and faders. so you can "remember" EQ and fader settings on your projects. so you have all your settings saved. at the end of a session, i just make a screenshot and save it in word....
maybe this is old news for y'all:

http://multimedia.utsa.edu/technology/3153/tascam520/large.html

http://multimedia.utsa.edu/technology/3153/tascam520/medium.html
 
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Dave,

I'll be really curious to see the response to this...I would bet you're right, and if that is the case maybe that's the answer to my MX-80 problem... :eek::eek::eek:

The mic input on channel 7 of my MX-80 works perfectly fine as long as it is disconnected from the summing buss...(i.e. the SEND RCV jumper is out) Once I connect the channel to the buss I have no signal. I can get the clip LED to light and hear simultaneous crackle in the monitors if I crank the gain and thump the screen of a mic like an SM57...possible cap-related issue?

I actually never physically looked at the caps in that thing much less metered 'em since I learned what to look for...could be a fun project to cut my teeth on recapping...
 
I'm no electronics genius but bad caps is a probability. Amazing how much trouble those little buggers can cause!


AK
 
So I got an email from the UK with a quote for the parts that will give me three full sets of Hirose connectors for the umbilical on the M520, and my total cost including shipping for a six connectors with hoods (the ones I ordered before and the ones I'm ordering now) will be about $65USD. :cool:
 
That's CRAZY!!!

winz, don't know how I missed your last post, but I just saw it and the links to the virtual M-520! THAT'S NUTS!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::D:D:D:cool::cool::cool:

Trying to figure out how to download and save that page so I can tweaker with it when I'm not connected to the internet......:p

WHO HAD TIME TO DO THAT?!?!?!?

Coooolllll.....!
 
How I clean stuff up...

winz et al, here is a video showing how I have been cleaning the connections on my M-520 channel cards, pots, switches, etc., as well as general cleaning:

YouTube

Hopefully there are some good tips demonstrated...learning as I go so please, if you see something that is not a good idea that I am doing, or something for which there is a better/more effective way to do it, correct me! :o
 
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yo sweetbeats...
THANK YOU THANK YOU 4 THA VIDEO!
YOU DA MAN!
it will be very helpful!
just ordered faderlube!
the thing with the virtual m520 is, just save the website on your pc and make it "available for offline". (i dont know how its called in the english internet explorer)
thats all.
i was also wondering why i could not open the file when i was not connected to the internet.
just click make available for offline mode (or smth. like dat) ....
peace
and thanks once again...
winz
 
Tascam M-520 Virtual Mixer .swf file...

Thanks to winz950 for posting up the links to the "Virtual Tascam M-520" web pages, I was prompted to get in contact with the UTSA Music Technology Department Director, Dave Sebald. He sent me the .swf file so you don't have to deal with offline web pages and such if you'd rather not, or different object sizes (i.e. the large and medium links...the .swf file automatically zooms to your browser window). You need to have Adobe Shockwave installed. It is a component of your internet browser, which is what you use to open the .swf file. Most computers these days have Shockwave already. It often gets installed when you are browsing the internet to view animated content, but just in case you can't open the file I included the Shockwave download link above.

Here is the file.

If Windows tells you it doesn't know what application to use to open the file, indicate you want to choose the application, and when the list comes up select your internet browser application (i.e. Internet Explorer or whatever)

Let me know if you are having any problems.

Anyway, thanks again to winz950, and have fun!
 
wow....
the thing with the auto zoom is great!
i was wondering if its possible to safe the EQ settings in this format
just recieved an email that the faderlube is not in stock...will have to wait 2 weeks!
and then i will be on holiday for 3 weeks.....
damn!
 
winz, what do you mean by "safe" the eq settings? Do you mean save? If that is what you mean I don't think it is any different than what you were doing before. I think you'll still need to get a screenshot and paste it into Word or something like that...

Bummer on the DeoxIT. :mad::(
 
Don't know where you are at, but my local Radio Shack carries Dexoit.....



AK
 
yeah, i meant save....
a screenshot is ok, but i thought that there was a more comfortable way maybe...
whut up analog kid....
i just ordered it through the internet and they run out of stock...
but thats ok, i will do it after my holiday vacation...
still searching for the wooden side panels...
peace
winz
 
I think winz is in France...or maybe Germany...sorry winz...too busy looking for thrust washers in the yard...:D
 
Hirose Connectors arrived today from the UK...

They are absolutely, positively, entirely the right thing...I've got enough connectors and hoods to make 3 umbilical cables. Hopefully will pick up some cable soon. About $62 shipped for all the parts from the UK and they came fast. Could have been about $40 total had I been smart enough to push and see if they could get the male connectors the first time around...that's about what I paid for the one male connector and hood from Tascam and they couldn't even find the female connectors. I'm stoked. Another example of persistence paying off. Nothing against Tascam either...don't get me wrong.

Canford in the UK is where I got them, but I think they only have 2 hoods left, 25 female connectors, and they had to special order the male connectors from another source...who knows what is available on those.

Canford item #'s:

  • 44-761 female connector
  • 44-763 hood
  • 99-944 male connector (non-stock product, Hirose P1620A)

Canford was an absolute joy to work with as well. ;)
 
Picked up the power umbilical cable today

I knew I'd seen at the electronics shop...

One of the people working there didn't think they had any...I knew better. :)

He was surprised because it is not common at least at that shop...he figured it must have been an order that was never picked up or something else went wrong...they've got thousands of feet of the stuff...I got 20 of it...22AWG 20-conductor non-shielded non-twisted pair...unique insulation color for each conductor, and it'll fit just right through the cable opening in the Hirose connector hood. Perfect...Like 75 cents per foot. ;)
 
I wanted to wait to put the M-520 into production until I had the chance to go through it completely, but I have two tracking sessions this week, and I want to use my 58. The M-520 is the ideal partner, so I'm stepping outside my usual anal-retentive nature to use it. :D

The other issue is that, as I may have mentioned before, the M-520 is not in the control room, but just outside it where there is more room to get around it for the cleaning and testing. I've had to get creative with cabling solutions as I have very few RCA cables on-hand, but I've got it worked out.

So there sits the mixer, naked, with the power supply tipped up on its end sitting behind so it can be direct-connected. A little silly looking, but ready for action. ;)

I have totally gone through channels 1 ~ 4, cleaning all connections, applying DeoxIT to all pots and switches and exercising and partially testing.

I'm a little disheartened that there are still a couple LED bulbs that are finicky, flickering at times. Reapplied DeoxIT and again exercised the bulbs in their sockets, but I'm not sure that has resolved it. Also, pots are generally still scratchy. :mad: Maybe just need more exercising? My forearms and fingers are worn out from all the exercising...can't use the shoestring technique as some of the pots are pretty stiff, plus the stacked pots have to be exercised simultaeously as they are sticking together and I have to twist them opposite directions to reduce that friction that is sticking them together. Also, buss meters 7 and 8 are flickering...not sure if this means one or both bulbs are on the way out or if it is a bad connection...I'll probably try swapping bulbs with another set of meters and see if they flicker in their new setting, unless there are other ideas?

Impressions so far:

  • I tested the onboard DI's on channels 1 and 2 using my bass, and I'm pleased by the responsive and clear sound...tons of gain too with my passive bass.
  • The eq has been a subject of some skepticism in my research of this console since it lacks any shelviing eq. IMHO, I've come to the opinion that shelving eq is abused along with the general practice of using eq to boost rather than cut. For the engineer who uses eq as sparingly as possible, having three channels of swept eq is pretty neat...coupled with two low-cut filters and a high-cut filter on each channel of my PE-40's I can't imagine a reason to need shelving eq, and so far the eq on the M-520 sounds nice to my ears...can't say I really know what I'm looking (listening) for though...:o
  • Another area of criticism is the routing ideology...this isn't really a 20 x 8 x 2 mixer, and for people that are accepting only that convention I can see they'd be scratching their heads since it is not possible to directly route an input to either of the semi-siamese stereo busses, but it is not a live mixer...it is a recording mixer replete with everything and more I can imagine one would need...not that it couldn't work in a live situation, but you won't find some of the normal things you would find on a standard live board or on a live board with recording application features...The M-500 boards are clearly for recording applications first, which, as far as I can tell, are wonderfully well setup/stocked.

So I'm going to try to get channels 1 ~ 8 cleaned up, and I'm using the -10 to +4 balance amp section from the direct outs to the patchbay in the control room because the only cabling available to make the cross connect is a 50' snake and that surely would be problematic if I ran it unbalanced...I have a radio station transmitting 3 blocks away... :eek:

Another note, I noticed the 10kHz signal on the oscillator is finicky, but I think it is the selector switch, so when I get to cleaning the master section hopefully I can resolve that.
 
My forearms and fingers are worn out from all the exercising...can't use the shoestring technique as some of the pots are pretty stiff, plus the stacked pots have to be exercised simultaeously as they are sticking together and I have to twist them opposite directions to reduce that friction that is sticking them together.

Cory,

Sometimes you need to double loop the shoestring around the pots. I definitely did not like the little stacked pots but will they'll clean up.

Danny
 
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