Can anyone comment on the differences between the Studio Projects C1 and B3?

[acorec]

You know ... I think you turn in a good line in stretchings of the truth yourself.

Can you please explain why said PMI groupie would have made a website taking the piss out of me first?

Why do you think it is the same person(s) doing this? Your first assumption may be false. May be true. Maybe you pissed the groupie off another way?

Think long and hard................your enemies are launching from the underground. Put down that cup of coffee and pick up your arms.

Oh, I forgot,UK will not let their boys have toy guns.

Batton down the hatches then.

 

[TeyshaBlue]

I guess your opinion will put them out of buisiness.

Hey, you threw Mercedes out there, slick. They ain't all good.
My opinion don't count for beans with Mercedes tho. BFD.

 

[acorec]

Hey, you threw Mercedes out there, slick. They ain't all good.
My opinion don't count for beans with Mercedes tho. BFD.

Man, the shit brigade is all over me. What did I do?

Oh. I mentioned SP.


I guess exactly two people were right!

CR and DJL.

Go about your buisiness little shit brigade and record with your little budget toys. After all, you will have that pro sound when you spend that unbelievable $100 for the end-all of mics. I must have been a real idiot to stick with what they call the "studio staples".

I wonder why they call them that?

 

[freshmattyp]

Trying to talk to a nitwit like you is talking to a wall.

Good luck in your recording career. You will need it with conclusions like this.

What a stunning rebuttal. You certainly told me what for. That's about the level of discourse that would be expected from a brand snob such as yourself. I think I've contributed enough in hijacking this thread. Please refer back to my post where I discuss the mics in question that I have had actual real world experience with.

 

[acorec]

And for the record, I was the one who went after Ted Perlman for his statement about the C1 being "exactly the same as a Neumann U87 - no difference". Do a search on "Perlman" to see the thread.

But of course, since I have a forum at PMI, I must be one of Alan's "flunkies" who defends all things PMI, at least in DJL's mind, I'm sure.

A simple search of the HR forum will show that I've torn into Alan whenever I thought he was wrong or misleading. In spite of that, I happen to think Alan is a great guy and sells a fine product.

As of this writing (5/10/05), I don't own (or have on loan) ANY Studio Project microphones, but I do plan to buy a T3, when I can afford it. That microphone can hold its own with a lot of very expensive, world-class microphones, in my opinion.

And...........if anyone reads your posts, they would understand why your logic holds true. You understand when and why budget equipment would work and work well. You don't totally dismiss redidulous rehetoric like a $100 mic is thes same as or better than a mic that costs ten times more.


You GET IT. I have been labelled a "gear snob"

Boo Hoo. I GET IT. I say it over and over again. There is some good, useable budget equipment out there these days.I have some of it and use it often. But you just can't start comparing it to pro studio equipment and really believe that they are equivillent. I know of no other area that this holds true. This BBS is the only place where people just get totally retarted when it comes to logic. I will say one thing, I have had so many musicians enter my home studio and in a few short hours of recording, their arguments about cheap vs. pro stuff is completely done. They GET IT.

It only takes sitting in a studio like yours to understand. This does not mean that these people should spend all their $$$ on pro equipment. It means that they should at least hear and understand the difference between the two. Then, and only then will they know *what* budget equipment to get and how to evaluate it. All I see here is that one $100 mic is better than some $1000 mics. Therefore, it must be true and anyone who uses a $1000 mic is both an idiot and a gear snob.


Lastly, I have downloaded and heard 50 - 60 songs done by various members with this philosophy and heard some of the worst tracked, worst mixed and mastered songs I have heard in a long while. This "Sonousman" dude hit every point %100 (see other thread).

 

[DJL]

But of course, since I have a forum at PMI, I must be one of Alan's "flunkies" who defends all things PMI, at least in DJL's mind, I'm sure.

Hmm... no, not really... however, you seem to stick up for him more than you should IMO. To be honest, the only thing I don't like about PMI Audio Group (besides their products) is the marketing they do on hr.com. You and I got off on the wrong foot... I wish that would have never of happened because I like you. You like to brag a lot... but that's ok, you also try to help people, so it's all good.

 

[DJL]

Can you please explain why said PMI groupie would have made a website taking the piss out of me first?

I don't know... but, for the record I didn't report you for the website you did make... and I honestly hope you don't get banned from hr.com.

 

[chessrock]

for the record I didn't report you for the website you did make... and I honestly hope you don't get banned from hr.com.

Yea, I thought it was pretty damn funny.

Pretty damn typical, but funny.

I especially got a kick out of it when I found out it was from one of the moderators at the PMI web site.

What has really bugged me all along is that I happen to have an opinion on something, yet I can't express it on this board without being attacked, labeled, discredited and now publically slandered on fake web sites. And now I see guys like Acorec getting attacked by the same Opinion Brigade.

My original intention has always been to help make this site a place where people can talk and express opinions openly and in a free manner. Who wants to be in an environment where dissenting opinions are met with hostility and peer pressure?

So I ask myself why the hell am I even here? And then I realize that's exactly what some of these people want me to start thinking to myself. So I'm going to continue posting my opinions on certain gear because I feel like it, and because I have a right to.

I don't see little whiney kids running around this forum shooting down people who talk negatively about Shure ... Electrovoice ... AT ... CAD, etc. And there's probably a reason for that. Namely because you don't really hear people talking negatively about them in the first place. And even if you did, these companies have way more class and dignity -- not to mention more of a life -- than to chase people around on the internet.

As funny as that site was, I don't think he should get his ass booted from HR. But if I were Alan, I'd ban him in a heartbeat from the SP site. But I wouldn't expect him to do that. Negative business tactics and bad PR don't seem to be things that guy frowns down upon. Rather, things that he rewards and advocates.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Hmm... no, not really... however, you seem to stick up for him more than you should IMO. To be honest, the only thing I don't like about PMI Audio Group (besides their products) is the marketing they do on hr.com. You and I got off on the wrong foot... I wish that would have never of happened because I like you. You like to brag a lot... but that's ok, you also try to help people, so it's all good.

I'll try to curtail my bragging.

 

[noisedude]

I don't know... but, for the record I didn't report you for the website you did make... and I honestly hope you don't get banned from hr.com.

Thanks very much - I know we've always got on except for that *one* subject. But the website was a prank, a joke. No malice was intended ... it was too funny for that!

I've emailed Dragon and hopefully we'll know soon enough what the verdict is.

So I ask myself why the hell am I even here? And then I realize that's exactly what some of these people want me to start thinking to myself. So I'm going to continue posting my opinions on certain gear because I feel like it, and because I have a right to.

Do it. Carry on. It would be a pretty boring website if we all sat and kissed each other's internet arses all day long.

Just don't expect to get an easy time if you start posting bullcrap!

 

[noisedude]

And...........if anyone reads your posts, they would understand why your logic holds true. You understand when and why budget equipment would work and work well. You don't totally dismiss redidulous rehetoric like a $100 mic is thes same as or better than a mic that costs ten times more.


You GET IT. I have been labelled a "gear snob"

Boo Hoo. I GET IT. I say it over and over again. There is some good, useable budget equipment out there these days.I have some of it and use it often. But you just can't start comparing it to pro studio equipment and really believe that they are equivillent. I know of no other area that this holds true. This BBS is the only place where people just get totally retarted when it comes to logic. I will say one thing, I have had so many musicians enter my home studio and in a few short hours of recording, their arguments about cheap vs. pro stuff is completely done. They GET IT.

It only takes sitting in a studio like yours to understand. This does not mean that these people should spend all their $$$ on pro equipment. It means that they should at least hear and understand the difference between the two. Then, and only then will they know *what* budget equipment to get and how to evaluate it. All I see here is that one $100 mic is better than some $1000 mics. Therefore, it must be true and anyone who uses a $1000 mic is both an idiot and a gear snob.


Lastly, I have downloaded and heard 50 - 60 songs done by various members with this philosophy and heard some of the worst tracked, worst mixed and mastered songs I have heard in a long while. This "Sonousman" dude hit every point %100 (see other thread).

Acorec - I agree with pretty much every point you make and still we reach different conclusions. I guess that's why you're you, and I'm me. Keep doing what you do mate - it keep us who disagree on our toes about what we actually think, and provides entertainment for all the visitors who lurk on the site.

 

[dgatwood]

Boo Hoo. I GET IT. I say it over and over again. There is some good, useable budget equipment out there these days.I have some of it and use it often. But you just can't start comparing it to pro studio equipment and really believe that they are equivillent. I know of no other area that this holds true.

I do. It's the field I work in every day. The G5 I can buy today can whip a Cray from when I was in college. I was in college in the last half of the 90s. A -lot- of equipment is expensive because it is hand-manufactured in small quantities. As technology evolves, it becomes possible to get equivalent performance at much lower prices, in part because of mass production (assuming proper quality control is used).

High-end audio gear is no different than any other electronics in this regard. The only real difference here is that with microphones and other recording gear, the natural tendency of work-alikes to bring the price of the original down doesn't happen to quite the same degree, because the manufacturers of the original designs prefer to manufacture things in the same way they've been making them for years.

Now, I'm not saying this is a bad thing by any means. It is one of the things that has made me confident that I can take a mic by most reputable manufacturers and put it in a pair with one built twenty years earlier and still have a fairly well matched stereo pair (not perfect, mind you, but not vastly different). What I am saying is that high-end audio is the ONLY area I can think of in the field of electronics where this is true.

In every other area, the high end products have to CONSTANTLY innovate to stay ahead of low-end consumer tech. When they fail to do so for long enough, new companies come in and kick the old companies' posteriors by decimating the market for their pro gear.

I bought a Panasonic video mixer back when the WJ-AVE5 came out. $1000 or $1500, something like that. Three years earlier, I would have needed genlockable video sources (or a pair of $2-3000 TBCs) and $20k worth of video mixer to do that. Panasonic SERIOUSLY pissed off a whole lot of companies when they made that product....

Shortly thereafter, Videonics came along and did the same thing to character generation. Where the alternatives were previously $200 devices that displayed big, blocky, terrible-looking text or $20,000 for a low-end Chyron, they swooped in and delivered something at $400 that kicked the living s**t out of Chyron. Granted, Videonics couldn't output a separate alpha channel (until they came up with the $2000 high end version a couple of years later), but it totally turned the entire non-broadcast pro video market on its ear.

Chyron scrambled to add lots of new features on their high end, and the result is the stupid little animated things you see as the bug on our favorite TV station. Now, you can find the old, basic Chyrons used for peanuts. The same will happen to their current high end within a very few years. You get the picture.

This is the natural order of things. Pro audio is the aberration.

 

[DJL]

Yea, I thought it was pretty damn funny.

Pretty damn typical, but funny.

I especially got a kick out of it when I found out it was from one of the moderators at the PMI web site.

What has really bugged me all along is that I happen to have an opinion on something, yet I can't express it on this board without being attacked, labeled, discredited and now publically slandered on fake web sites. And now I see guys like Acorec getting attacked by the same Opinion Brigade.

My original intention has always been to help make this site a place where people can talk and express opinions openly and in a free manner. Who wants to be in an environment where dissenting opinions are met with hostility and peer pressure?

So I ask myself why the hell am I even here? And then I realize that's exactly what some of these people want me to start thinking to myself. So I'm going to continue posting my opinions on certain gear because I feel like it, and because I have a right to.

I don't see little whiney kids running around this forum shooting down people who talk negatively about Shure ... Electrovoice ... AT ... CAD, etc. And there's probably a reason for that. Namely because you don't really hear people talking negatively about them in the first place. And even if you did, these companies have way more class and dignity -- not to mention more of a life -- than to chase people around on the internet.

As funny as that site was, I don't think he should get his ass booted from HR. But if I were Alan, I'd ban him in a heartbeat from the SP site. But I wouldn't expect him to do that. Negative business tactics and bad PR don't seem to be things that guy frowns down upon. Rather, things that he rewards and advocates.

I totally agree... and I couldn't say it any better than you just did.

 

[DJL]

I'll try to curtail my bragging.

Do whatever you want... just stay active on hr.com and keep helping people.

 

[DJL]

Thanks very much

You're welcome. By the way... I got a new puppy yesterday.

 

[noisedude]

I agree too - except on one point. And it's quite important - I don't represent PMI, Alan Hyatt or anyone who works for him. So you can't describe what I did as "negative business tactics", although I will concede that my coming clean does not provide good PR for his company because one or two people stoke up a mistruth that I am somehow connected with them.

I am a freelance ... an enthusiast who's trying to find his way to making an income from the hobby he loves ... if I ever get tied to any company or organisation, you guys will be the first to know.

 

[noisedude]

You're welcome. By the way... I got a new puppy yesterday.

Good!

 

[chessrock]

Puppies versus Babies ...


Debate amongst yourselves.

I still say Puppies by a long shot.

 

[noisedude]

Babies all the way ... I'm gonna be a rocking dad some day.

 

[noisedude]

Plus actually I'm pretty scared of dogs since one bit a chunk out of my leg when I was a kid.