Who Destroyed Metal?

[Anomaly Design]

who destroyed metal?

my vote goes to people who make threads like these and bring their unjustified wankery to the playing field...

THANK YOU

LET THIS THREAD DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[orson198305]

I blame time - it ages people (they grow up).

They (disco cover) new phrases like "hey metal is shit", "or i just shat out a bit of metal" etc

 

[rocketman768]

I didn't vote. Nobody killed metal.

What high-school and college kiddies think of as "punk" (i.e. pop-y plastic studio-generated shit dressed up in tight black shirts) distracts stupid kids away from real music...and A LOT of them. So first, there is a lower number of possible fans. Secondly, modern metal has been out for more than two decades. Don't you think all the metal songs have been invented? There are only so many progressions you can hash out before they all sound the same (ehem GODSMACK). America is in a creative slump...a creative asshole if you will. There needs to be something new emerge. Don't get me wrong, I like metal, but it gets boring after a while.

However, you do have groups like Radiohead who are just out there...and it's amazing. But nobody follows their lead really. The real creativity seems to be coming in bursts, not waves. We are sucking it up.

 

[grindpaul]

I like metal, but it gets boring after a while.

isnt that what metal is? you memorize albums, not songs? all slayer sounds the same on each cd, all black dahlia murder sounds the same on each cd, but i cant get sick of it.

 

[myhatbroke]

I also started the thread on Metal becoming monotonous

Check it out

 

[CIRO]

EASY:

you,

with your midi casio guitar!

 

[myhatbroke]

I dont even play piano

 

[guhlenn]

nor anything else for that matter

 

[Markus V]

Metal is very much alive and thriving these days... especially in Europe. So I didn't vote for any, though metal was passe in the nineties.

 

[juststartingout]

Another name for metal is 'Head Banger Music'.

Well, if you bang your head against a wall for a while, you figure out that it's kind of stupid to do.

The new name for metal is 'Death Rock'.

I will leave that one alone, it speaks for itself.

BB King was able to play one or two notes and put feeling in them that was transposed to the audience. It seems like now, you need to to try to play 3,00 notes in 2 seconds. While that may be cool if your a guitar player, the audience gets nothing out of it. Whithout an audience, the music will die with the player. Maybe 'Death Rock' is a good name for it.

 

[metalhead28]

BB King was able to play one or two notes and put feeling in them that was transposed to the audience. It seems like now, you need to to try to play 3,00 notes in 2 seconds. While that may be cool if your a guitar player, the audience gets nothing out of it. Whithout an audience, the music will die with the player. Maybe 'Death Rock' is a good name for it.

Why does everybody feel like they have to bring up the "lack of feel" thing any time this sort of thing is duscussed? Somebody brings this up and then proceeds to mention some other arbitrary guitar player who can "pack more feeling into 2 notes than a shredder can in 200" or something like that. Give me a break...I've heard that a million times...it's fucking tired.
Is it so hard to understand that some poeple like listening to frantic and exciting guitar solos? Some people like slow and emotional ones, I can dig that and I like them too, but just because you don't see the value in other types of playing doesn't mean it doesn't have any. It's just a different sort of expression. And yes, at a metal show the audience likes it. Where would you possibly get the idea that people don't like fast soloing at a metal show? If the music is fast and agressive, not many metal fans want to hear a couple of slow pentatonic licks and one sweet bend to go with it....

 

[breeeeza]

myhatbroke

 

[legionserial]

Another name for metal is 'Head Banger Music'.

Well, if you bang your head against a wall for a while, you figure out that it's kind of stupid to do.

The new name for metal is 'Death Rock'.

I will leave that one alone, it speaks for itself.

BB King was able to play one or two notes and put feeling in them that was transposed to the audience. It seems like now, you need to to try to play 3,00 notes in 2 seconds. While that may be cool if your a guitar player, the audience gets nothing out of it. Whithout an audience, the music will die with the player. Maybe 'Death Rock' is a good name for it.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Head Banger music? Ok. But bang your head against the wall? Again, what the fuck are you talking about?

How many people do you know that bang their heads against walls to metal? My guess is that you don't know anyone who listens to metal full stop. You sound like one of those types who rips on me in the street for wearing a Slayer t-shirt. Well, if their assumptions are based on nonsense like that then I'm not surprised. However, they (and you) should be laughing at themselves for beleiving shit like that.

You know what I like to do when I listen to metal? I sit back and chill, with a nice cup of tea and a doobie. I sit there, and I listen. And my skull is still intact.

Death Rock? The new name for metal? At the risk of labouring the point...What the fuck are you taking about?

On the other note, I fully reflect what Metalhead says. I like to see someone play a nice emotional solo, and I like to see someone play a blistering fast solo. Some people may think its a myth, but there are those who can play fast AND with feeling.

Going to see Black Dahlia Murder live wouldn't be that same if they weren't playing fast as fuck. I them because they are fast as fuck.

I am guitarist. As a guitarist I get my rocks off watching people play their instument WELL. I don't care if its fast or slow. I have heard some beautiful slow solos from the likes of clapton, BB King etc, to name but a few, and I have heard some beautiful and extremely fast solos from the likes of John Petrucci, Darkest Hour and Children of Bodom, to name but a few. And each one of them touched me in some way. That is why I love guitars and thats why I play guitar.

Yes, it is indeed trendy to say that slower solos are better than fast ones 'cos they have feel in them'. But to me that is a much regurgitated cliche. And no more or less of a cliche than the notion that us metalheads like to smash our skulls against a wall to our nasty satanic music.

 

[legionserial]

myhatbroke

My condolences. Perhaps you can get it repaired?

 

[breeeeza]

fast solos from the likes of John Petrucci, Darkest Hour and Children of Bodom, to name but a few.

I hope you saw darkest hour in the UK recently. in london fucking amazing!

 

[juststartingout]

Why does everybody feel like they have to bring up the "lack of feel" thing any time this sort of thing is duscussed? Somebody brings this up and then proceeds to mention some other arbitrary guitar player who can "pack more feeling into 2 notes than a shredder can in 200" or something like that. Give me a break...I've heard that a million times...it's fucking tired.

Yes, it is tired, but that's because it's true.

Just look at where groups make their money. It's not the heavey stuuf, it's the lighter side that sells to the public. Not their best stufff.

Led Zepplin - Stairway to heaven, Kiss - Beth, Joe Satriani - I Believe, Red Hot Chilie Peppers - Under The Bridge

These are all examples of groups that have very heavy material. The slower, more 'touchy feely' stuff is more popular with the public. It will stand the test of time. That is just the way it is, like it or not.

We as guitar players like metal because it is fun to play. We guage songs by how hard they are, not because they sell a lot. But if you are asking why metal will die, it's because it doesn't sell. No Radio Play + no CD sells = Death to metal.

 

[legionserial]

I hope you saw darkest hour in the UK recently. in london fucking amazing!

Nah I missed 'em. And I'm pissed off. They were sposed to be playing Donnington this year. Me and a friend turned up to watch them, a couple guys were tuning up. I was little confused from the start as the guitars didn't seem to be the guitars Darkest Hour would be playing, but nonetheless we continued to wait. I looked around and saw a shitload of other people in Darkest Hour t-shirts in the crowd. So the 'roadies' go off stage. We figure 'ok its about fucking time. Bring it on!'. At which poiunt the 2 same guys come back and strap the guitars on again. Except there's a bass guitarist and a drummer in tow. So its like 'ok, I guess they havent tuned up neough yet'.

Bear in mind I don't really know what Darkest Hour look like as I have never actually seen them in the flesh before and I'm not one for looking for pictures of men just cos I like their music.

At which point one of the guys says "We are.." (and I couldn't fgure out the rest). They then break into something that is decidedly not Darkest Hour. Then it clicks. These dudes aren't Darkest Hour at all. Fuck! I guess they couldn't make it.

At which point at least 60% of the crowd turned round and walked away.

Personally I felt really sorry for the guys that actually were playing.

The only bonus is that we left Cradle of Filths gig early. My friend liked them and thats why we were wtching thwem in the first place. But to me it was a welcome releief to leave to go and see a few guys tune up for 15 minutes.

 

[metalhead28]

Yes, it is tired, but that's because it's true.

Just look at where groups make their money. It's not the heavey stuuf, it's the lighter side that sells to the public. Not their best stufff.

Led Zepplin - Stairway to heaven, Kiss - Beth, Joe Satriani - I Believe, Red Hot Chilie Peppers - Under The Bridge

These are all examples of groups that have very heavy material. The slower, more 'touchy feely' stuff is more popular with the public. It will stand the test of time. That is just the way it is, like it or not.

We as guitar players like metal because it is fun to play. We guage songs by how hard they are, not because they sell a lot. But if you are asking why metal will die, it's because it doesn't sell. No Radio Play + no CD sells = Death to metal.

So now you're saying that commercial viability is what makes music worthwhile? That's even sillier than you're last point. There's alot of music out there besides metal that isn't exactly blowing up the radio. Do you hold the same opinion of that?

I pride myself on not thinking like you. I'm just going to leave it at that.

 

[legionserial]

Yes, it is tired, but that's because it's true.

Just look at where groups make their money. It's not the heavey stuuf, it's the lighter side that sells to the public. Not their best stufff.

Led Zepplin - Stairway to heaven, Kiss - Beth, Joe Satriani - I Believe, Red Hot Chilie Peppers - Under The Bridge

These are all examples of groups that have very heavy material. The slower, more 'touchy feely' stuff is more popular with the public. It will stand the test of time. That is just the way it is, like it or not.

We as guitar players like metal because it is fun to play. We guage songs by how hard they are, not because they sell a lot. But if you are asking why metal will die, it's because it doesn't sell. No Radio Play + no CD sells = Death to metal.

Yeah but your point there may be somewhat valid with more 'popular' types of music. But metal is a law unto itself. We don't make metal because it might be popular. We make it because we like it, its fun to play, its a conduit for our emotions.

Metal will never die because of pure lack of airplay. I live in the UK. Metal barely gets any fucking airplay over here and never has. Perhaps some Limp Dipshit and a bit of Funeral for a Friend, but I don't class them as metal anyway.

It is not a kind of music that is engineered to make money and never will be.

When I was growing up listening to metal, I could listen all day to the radio and watch MTV all day, and I would not hear any current metal. We might get a bit of Zep but thats about it. I grew up listening to Megadeth and Metallica. The thought of actually hearing either of those bands on a UK radio station ever is fucking laughable to me. Its all R&B, Hip Hop,electronic dance, and some acoustic music and a bit of indie. And its been that way as long as I can remember. Aside from specialised dedicated programs -which are often stupidly patronising and mocking. They don't even play Slipknot on the radio over here. They only started playing Korn when theor last album when electronic-y.

Most metal has never been truly radio friendly. I mean fuck...try sticking Cannibal Corpse on the radio on a Sunday lunchtime. Or pretty much any of the bands I listen to. In fact in my entire life I have heard 1 Carcass song on the radio. And that was a radio 1 rock show special about a Megadeth tour.

To me, metal isn't dead because of lack of airplay. To me it make it more alive. Perhaps undead eh? But certainly not dead. As long as there are people out there listening to metal and making riffs, metal will never die.

Metal is no more dead than Elvis is to some people. "He lives through on his music, man"

 

[legionserial]

So now you're saying that commercial viability is what makes music worthwhile? That's even sillier than you're last point. There's alot of music out there besides metal that isn't exactly blowing up the radio. Do you hold the same opinion of that?

I pride myself on not thinking like you. I'm just going to leave it at that.

Amen brother...

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to metalhead28 again"