Who Destroyed Metal?

[Dumby]

and why is 'bad religion' on that list? theyre not, and never were 'metal'. they have nothing even to do with metal, good or bad. you might as well have put patsy cline up there.

Dude, it's because the person who made this pole doesn't know shit.

 

[ggunn]

And radio play is everything. Why? - because it allows millions of people to hear your stuff and that is how you to pick up fans.

No, it's not. It's something, but it's not everything. There's this new-fangled thing called the "internet"; maybe you've heard of it... ;^) There's also record sales, word of mouth, and performance.

The Grateful Dead had only two radio hits in their entire 35 year run ("Truckin'" and "A Touch of Gray"), yet they managed to sell out virtually every show they played. Their fan base is still immense, even though they broke up after Jerry Garcia's death in 1995. Their music is still very much alive even though the band itself is not.

No one is arguing that radio play is not a factor, only that it's not the be all, end all of a genre's existence. Either it speaks to people or it doesn't; if it does, it will survive.

 

[legionserial]

And radio play is everything. Why? - because it allows millions of people to hear your stuff and that is how you to pick up fans.

I would say it was more down to doing good live shows. Developing a local fanbase to start with. Doing some hard work. Getting booked at places. Making your own CD's and giving them away (even selling if your lucky) at gigs. Word of mouth. If you are good, people will talk about you. Ever heard of a thing called the internet? Its a pretty good way to make your stuff available.

There are lot more popular bands out there than those that make it to that legendary 'pummeled ad nauseum into you ears' status.

 

[metalhead28]

I didn't say that it doesn't have a fan base. It does have a shrinking fan base......

Where are you coming up with that information? Unless we're talking about the pop metal era of the 80's, I really don't think the fan base is shrinking. It may have for a while, but I see alot more metal fans these days than I did 5 or 10 years ago.

And radio play is everything. Why? - because it allows millions of people to hear your stuff and that is how you to pick up fans.

Metal fans largely don't listen to the radio. Metal is it's own entity. I purposely ignore what's on the radio and I know alot of people agree with me. Besides, outside of pop metal, metal has never gained fans from radio exposure. I just don't understand where you're coming from there.

 

[Dumby]

Where are you coming up with that information? Unless we're talking about the pop metal era of the 80's, I really don't think the fan base is shrinking. It may have for a while, but I see alot more metal fans these days than I did 5 or 10 years ago.



Metal fans largely don't listen to the radio. Metal is it's own entity. I purposely ignore what's on the radio and I know alot of people agree with me. Besides, outside of pop metal, metal has never gained fans from radio exposure. I just don't understand where you're coming from there.

I have to agree with this firmly.

 

[cephus]

Radio as a barometer is not meant to show that radio doesn't promote metal. If there was money there, then radio would be in on it. Britney Spears doesn't need radio - radio needs britney spears (TV anyway).

How many XM metal stations are there compared to other genres? I don't listen to it, but a guy I work with was bitching because there were none for a while and now there is maybe one or two (he has serius, which has a couple).

I think the less you see of something you're not looking for (in radio, TV, advertising, concerts), then it's probably fallen from popularity.

Maybe you guys killed metal for passing copies of tapes around instead of buying the music?

 

[juststartingout]

Maybe you guys killed metal for passing copies of tapes around instead of buying the music?

LMAO ---- Yes, exactly.

Guys, if you can't make money at it, you can't do it full time. But that is not the topic here. It is who killed metal. And the answer is the fans, actually, the lack of them.

I saw Poisin back in the 80's. There were at least 40,000 people at the show. I saw them 2 years ago, and there were 3,000 people there maybe. It was the same venue. That tells me that they are dying out. Yes, they are not dead, but they have much less of the marlet place.

 

[cephus]

I saw Poisin back in the 80's. There were at least 40,000 people at the show. I saw them 2 years ago, and there were 3,000 people there maybe. It was the same venue. That tells me that they are dying out. Yes, they are not dead, but they have much less of the marlet place.

Ooooh!


INCOMING!

 

[Dogman]

Dammitt you assclowns...I killed metal. Get over it.

 

[Greg_L]

LMAO ---- Yes, exactly.

Guys, if you can't make money at it, you can't do it full time. But that is not the topic here. It is who killed metal. And the answer is the fans, actually, the lack of them.

I saw Poisin back in the 80's. There were at least 40,000 people at the show. I saw them 2 years ago, and there were 3,000 people there maybe. It was the same venue. That tells me that they are dying out. Yes, they are not dead, but they have much less of the marlet place.

dude, are you retarded? seriously. youre talking about poison. theyre dying out because theyre poison. even in metals heyday, poison was a joke to everyone but retards. maybe you should check out a tool, korn, metallica, anthrax, or avenged sevenfold show, just to name a few. i guarantee they will draw huge crowds. im not even a big fan of todays metal, but to say its dead because its not all over the radio or MTV is totally stupid.

 

[myhatbroke]

wow i cant believe this thread is still going

 

[Zed10R]

This thread was fun for a little while. But now it's just irritating.

Metal will never die. It is immortal. It will exist as long as humans are around. It is a musical representation of the dissatisfaction and unrest of humans in this society. It is one the most powerful and pure forms of cummunication. It is not dependant on commercialism, popularity, or fans. It would still exist if no one ever went to live metal concerts or bought metal cd's. What it does need in order to exist is a few people with open minds who can think for themselves and be creative without regard for what is popular or what is expected. People who can express themselves freely and without inhibition.....making music directly from the soul.

So who "killed" metal? Retards like juststartingout are trying their best because they don't know what metal is. There is an entire universe of jaw dropping, inspiring, unbelievably good metal out there, but the silly child has no clue where to even look.

 

[travelin travis]

Metal will never die. It is immortal.

apparently neither will this thread.

 

[CIRO]

apparently neither will this thread.

Mihatbroke,
Congratulations

254 posts on this very relevant question!

 

[DonGraham]

Wow am I the only guy who likes(d) Ratt, Dokken AND Strapping Young Lad and Slipknot?????

WTF???

Metal is all atttitude and shred (whether chunk or lead)..which is why NIRVANA killed metal..although I actually grew to like them.......poison, and all those crap ass la guns/guns n roses bands sucked anyway.

 

[legionserial]

Wow am I the only guy who likes(d) Ratt, Dokken AND Strapping Young Lad and Slipknot?????

WTF???

Metal is all atttitude and shred (whether chunk or lead)..which is why NIRVANA killed metal..although I actually grew to like them.......poison, and all those crap ass la guns/guns n roses bands sucked anyway.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...the notion that 'Nirvana killed metal' is entirely laughable. I've seen it on this thread numerous times and even asked someone to give me some kind of explaination to back up that statement. But no one has. Why? Because it doesn't make sense.

Saying Nirvana killed metal is like saying Britney Spears killed metal. Its a different type of music. Not all of us are dumb enough to just suddenly stop liking metal because Nirvana came along and they were pretty good. I mean, think about that statement.

I mean, if I said I don't like eating bacon anymore because I tried Tacos and they are different, you'd call me a fucking retard and ask me what the hell I was talking about.

If Nirvana had any effect on metal, they made people see you didn't need spandex and a stupid haircut to play heavy music. I'll agree they may have gone someway to killing the dafter (and irrelevant to the music) side of metal.

And yeah, I think Slipknot are pretty good. I don't really like the whole nu metal thing but I think in this case 'nu metal' really only applys to the image that was hoisted on them IMHO. Yeah their first album was a little on the nu metal side, but their last album was the best work they've ever done.

 

[Zed10R]

Wow am I the only guy who likes(d) Ratt, Dokken AND Strapping Young Lad and Slipknot?????QUOTE]

The metal gods forbid you to like Dokken and Strapping AT THE SAME TIME. Jamming to Strapping and then putting in a Dokken cd is like....being married to a super hot babe and cheating on her with some nasty fat pig.....


And since you are an SYL fan, how can you possible believe metal is dead? Mr Townsend has elevated it to incredible heights and just keeps going, better and better every time.

 

[Thurgood]

Who or what killed metal???? This thread. nuff said.

 

[Jimkel]

Grunge paved the way for more mainstream punk, And metal followed. Metallica for instance became more like hard rock with the black album. But all music evolves, metal evolved, If it had of stayed the same it would all sound the same. People have short attention spans. If anything grunge just weeded out the pussy's. Exposed half arsed metal bands like metallica in the 90's for what they really were. A BUSUNISS. The harder and more dedicated metal bands just went underground. Metal is a loose term anyway with so many sub genre's ie: Hair (classic), trash, death, black, emo, screamo, Nu etc... So the question is very hard to answer.

 

[Ironklad Audio]

Grunge paved the way for more mainstream punk, And metal followed. Metallica for instance became more like hard rock with the black album.

the black album came out like 6 mon. before nevermind did...

metallica's move to the mainstream had nothing to do with the "arrival" of grunge, it had to do with bob rock telling them to go for the $$$