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blinddogblues
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Actually, Tifton is about 4 hrs. south of here. I live in Acworth, 30 miles north of Atlanta. However, Jerry D is welcome to come by and try it out, and so is anybody else on this forum, even C7sus.
Under The Hood - Inside the Marshall V67G and the Studio Projects C1
JerryD
New member
Cool.
Thanks for offer BDB.
Harvey,
I don't live close to anyone. I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
I bet there is no store within 3 hours of here that even has a nice radio shack mic much less anything mentioned on this forum.
Everything I buy I have to buy on recommendations and lurking on mic forums.
The cool thing is that I can always sell it on Ebay if I just can't stand a mic.
So Harvey, what mics have you used before that did good on female vocals besides the mentioned ones on this thread?
Thanks a bunch, Jerry
Thanks for offer BDB.
Harvey,
I don't live close to anyone. I'm out in the middle of nowhere.
I bet there is no store within 3 hours of here that even has a nice radio shack mic much less anything mentioned on this forum.
Everything I buy I have to buy on recommendations and lurking on mic forums.
The cool thing is that I can always sell it on Ebay if I just can't stand a mic.
So Harvey, what mics have you used before that did good on female vocals besides the mentioned ones on this thread?
Thanks a bunch, Jerry
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Harvey Gerst
New member
3 winners for me for female ballads have been the RCA77DX, the RCA44BX, and the Coles 4038. I think my Beyer 260 with the Stephen Sank DX77 mod would also be great. The Neumann TLM103 has also worked great for a lot of female vocals.
Unfortunately, with the exception of the Beyer, most are higher dollar mics.
Unfortunately, with the exception of the Beyer, most are higher dollar mics.
Chris F
New member
blinddogblues said:
Actually, I'm quite tempted to join in the conspiracy myself.
Anybody tried one on acoustic bass? Okay, dumb question....
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Hey Group,
Weston is mostly correct regarding the 797 Audio mics. They have been doing very well with OEM branded mics, but they do not sell these OEM branded mics in China. They do sell their own mics in China, and they will not stop that.
They offer a CR3000, a CR414, CR-100, and CR998. Now the CR3000, and CR414 are exact knockoffs of the AKG's, The CR100 is a BPM looking mic, but then 797 did that design, and the CR998 is a "Big Green Monster". I can put up an attachment of a photo of it if anyone wants to see it. It is Green and Gold, and sounds quite good stock.
I maintain close discussions with 797 and they are very happy that I have been getting them exposure by branding their name on Studio Projects, and I am sure they are happy for building for others.
BTW Harvey, for the record, the name is Studio Projects, not Sound Projects
Just want to get that straightened out. Thanks
Back to 797, the Chinese are very aware of the world market, and while they are doing a good deal of OEM business, they may be willing to give that up at some point to concentrate on their own brand. While that could be bad for companies who use 797 to build, it could be good for 797 financially to branch out on their own, but only time will tell.
What I do know is, they do not want to sell their mics to other markets, as there is risk in doing so as a result of the artistic infringement. In either case, microphones from China will not go away, and in fact, they will only get better as time goes on. What will that mean to us, as they are already pretty darn good now?
Weston is mostly correct regarding the 797 Audio mics. They have been doing very well with OEM branded mics, but they do not sell these OEM branded mics in China. They do sell their own mics in China, and they will not stop that.
They offer a CR3000, a CR414, CR-100, and CR998. Now the CR3000, and CR414 are exact knockoffs of the AKG's, The CR100 is a BPM looking mic, but then 797 did that design, and the CR998 is a "Big Green Monster". I can put up an attachment of a photo of it if anyone wants to see it. It is Green and Gold, and sounds quite good stock.
I maintain close discussions with 797 and they are very happy that I have been getting them exposure by branding their name on Studio Projects, and I am sure they are happy for building for others.
BTW Harvey, for the record, the name is Studio Projects, not Sound Projects
Just want to get that straightened out. ThanksBack to 797, the Chinese are very aware of the world market, and while they are doing a good deal of OEM business, they may be willing to give that up at some point to concentrate on their own brand. While that could be bad for companies who use 797 to build, it could be good for 797 financially to branch out on their own, but only time will tell.
What I do know is, they do not want to sell their mics to other markets, as there is risk in doing so as a result of the artistic infringement. In either case, microphones from China will not go away, and in fact, they will only get better as time goes on. What will that mean to us, as they are already pretty darn good now?
sjoko2
New member
What you hope it will do for you is earn you a lot of money.
What it did for Behringer is earn them a lot of money.
and that.................is all.
All the Chinese do = copy
All the Japanese did was copy, untill after a couple of decades they get as good at design and development.
And when they get better at it......the price goes up, as their standard of living goes up, and the products pricing becomes level with elsewhere, untill manufacturing is shifted to another place.
All in all, the mics are OK, good value for what they are, but nothing special at all, its all been done before, and done better.
Another thing that you might want to consider is that you are creating a market for their products. When they become better and have established a market, they will just change strategy, stop supplying you, and take over sales and marketing themselves. In the meantime, you are their most cost effective (money earning) salesperson.
Good luck! Have fun! While it lasts. And please stop comparing your product to much higher quality ones, as by doing / allowing this, you undermine your credibility.
What it did for Behringer is earn them a lot of money.
and that.................is all.
All the Chinese do = copy
All the Japanese did was copy, untill after a couple of decades they get as good at design and development.
And when they get better at it......the price goes up, as their standard of living goes up, and the products pricing becomes level with elsewhere, untill manufacturing is shifted to another place.
All in all, the mics are OK, good value for what they are, but nothing special at all, its all been done before, and done better.
Another thing that you might want to consider is that you are creating a market for their products. When they become better and have established a market, they will just change strategy, stop supplying you, and take over sales and marketing themselves. In the meantime, you are their most cost effective (money earning) salesperson.
Good luck! Have fun! While it lasts. And please stop comparing your product to much higher quality ones, as by doing / allowing this, you undermine your credibility.
R
Recording Engineer
Moderator
Yeao
About all I'll say right now is I just need to get it to Harvey for his professional/personal review and opinion.
Anyow, there's no one to blame the "copy market" and "cheap price race" on but ourselves; us home recording musicians and artists! These are the times of the small and independent, something musicians and artists have been striving for; to get away from the big corps. running our lives and getting even bigger off our artistry. But no big corp. means no big money for most. So, the demand set by us is "cheap prices" and the market supplys. Things will eventually go the other way and even out; and go too far the other way. Then, the market will spend a lot of time and money on design and development (which is most time consuming and expensive) and you know what happens then... Like I don't already feel "DAMN! That's expensive! I'll NEVER be able to afford that!" on enough things.
About all I'll say right now is I just need to get it to Harvey for his professional/personal review and opinion.
Anyow, there's no one to blame the "copy market" and "cheap price race" on but ourselves; us home recording musicians and artists! These are the times of the small and independent, something musicians and artists have been striving for; to get away from the big corps. running our lives and getting even bigger off our artistry. But no big corp. means no big money for most. So, the demand set by us is "cheap prices" and the market supplys. Things will eventually go the other way and even out; and go too far the other way. Then, the market will spend a lot of time and money on design and development (which is most time consuming and expensive) and you know what happens then... Like I don't already feel "DAMN! That's expensive! I'll NEVER be able to afford that!" on enough things.
sjoko2
New member
You're right. I just think its a shame people / companies don't use a bit of innovation here and there, rather than making cheap copies of existing, and on the whole better, products, and then making out they are ground-breaking superb things.
MrZekeMan
New member
c7sus said:
Do we really have to answer this one?
c7sus, Do you think having enough posts on this forum to qualify for the "recording genius" by your name makes you an actual genius? Do you think it makes you a genius at recording? Do you think it makes you a genius at business ethics?
Do you think it makes you a genius at interpersonal communication? I can assure you, the answer to this one is a resounding NO.
Do you think multiple postings hawking the same opinion over and over makes you right? It doesn't. It only makes you sound like a fool.
You have more post's than Mr. Gerst. Does that mean that you are more knowledgeable than he? When he was a newbie and had only one post, should you have held yourself up as being a more valueable contributor because he was a newbie? Laughable.
Maybe everyone on this thread should just acquiesce to your lofty reasoning and principles just because you believe yourself to be on higher moral ground than we.
I disagree with you. I disagree with you about Alan. I disagree with your opinion on the sinfulness of buying Chinese mics. I disagree with you on the subject of this being spam and the BBS being turned into a commercial site.
I don't mind you having an opinion that differs from mine. But, you have accomplished one thing where I am concerned. Because of your incessant idiocy, I have resolved not to ever put any stock in anything you post ever again.
How can I take advice about where to place a mic on a cab from anyone who shows such a gross lack of judgement in other areas? You've ruined your credibility with me. You may not care. But if you don't stop, you're gonna ruin your credibility with everyone, just as Tube Dude warned you.
Zeke
MrZekeMan
New member
Sorry for that last post.
I didn't even notice that there was a 7th page and I didn't realize he had actually shut up for awhile, or I would have just gone on.
I know for myself, that cheap mics are really my only option right now. Especially if I'm gonna be able to have a selection of different mics with different characteristics and colorings.
There is no way I can afford to go out and spend more for a mic than what I spent for my complete Work Station. I want to get the best sounding mics I can get for the least amount of money. I hope they last a while.
Harve Gerst,
I've heard you talk about the C3000B, and how you only found one voice that it was ever useful on as long as you've owned it. (I hope this is accurate) Is there any other uses that you have found for the C3000B? Instruments? Used as an ambient mic?
sjoko2,
Can you name drop here? Who is the ornate female vocalist you've been working with?
Zeke
I didn't even notice that there was a 7th page and I didn't realize he had actually shut up for awhile, or I would have just gone on.
I know for myself, that cheap mics are really my only option right now. Especially if I'm gonna be able to have a selection of different mics with different characteristics and colorings.
There is no way I can afford to go out and spend more for a mic than what I spent for my complete Work Station. I want to get the best sounding mics I can get for the least amount of money. I hope they last a while.
Harve Gerst,
I've heard you talk about the C3000B, and how you only found one voice that it was ever useful on as long as you've owned it. (I hope this is accurate) Is there any other uses that you have found for the C3000B? Instruments? Used as an ambient mic?
sjoko2,
Can you name drop here? Who is the ornate female vocalist you've been working with?
Zeke
sjoko2
New member
LOL lemme think...the most ornate one? Must be Uru, but her name ahsn't dropped yet (will soon) www.mp3.com/uru for some bareass demo's
MrZekeMan
New member
Cool,
I had already downloaded Bittersweet. Very silky sounding. I likes
Zeke
I had already downloaded Bittersweet. Very silky sounding. I likes
Zeke
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Harvey Gerst
New member
Zeke, I owned the AKG C3000, a very different mic from the AKG C3000B (which I haven't heard).MrZekeMan said:
The AKG C3000 used two capsules to achieve a cardioid pattern; a 1" external charged hyper-cardioid, and a 1/4" electret omni. It had some serious hi frequency problems, but it worked as the only mic for a wonderful singer/player named Ken Burton. He had a 1956 Martin D18 that I would kill for, and his voice was also kinda low and slightly gravelly. The C3000 worked great. It's at:
Rio Town - Ken Burton (600kB wav, 8 bit)
The other time was a very high pitched woman for a vitamin tape - for some reason it really worked well on her voice.
The new C3000B is an electret 1" capsule, and I don't know much about it.
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alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
sjoko2
If you have been paying attention to my posts, you would know as everyone else here knows, I do not compare it with anything, and if you find a post that says I compare it to a German mic, then show me please.
My credibility has been some what established to most on this group despite a few misunderstandings in learning how to post on the groups.(I hope your listening to this Harvey, I like it when you keep score for me). They know I do not lie to them, and they know who I am, so if I promote a little, well that's my job, just like your job is to offer your opinions, and thank the stars, everyone on these groups understand that.
If I make money, then so be it, but just like you, I have to work. If everyone hates the mics, then I guess I will not make any money, but I can live with that if the industry chooses to go that way.
Respectfully,
If you have been paying attention to my posts, you would know as everyone else here knows, I do not compare it with anything, and if you find a post that says I compare it to a German mic, then show me please.
My credibility has been some what established to most on this group despite a few misunderstandings in learning how to post on the groups.(I hope your listening to this Harvey, I like it when you keep score for me). They know I do not lie to them, and they know who I am, so if I promote a little, well that's my job, just like your job is to offer your opinions, and thank the stars, everyone on these groups understand that.
If I make money, then so be it, but just like you, I have to work. If everyone hates the mics, then I guess I will not make any money, but I can live with that if the industry chooses to go that way.
Respectfully,
H
Harvey Gerst
New member
Zeke,
I doubt I'll be listening to the C3000B anytime soon. The first one left a very bad taste in my mouth, since I bought it when it was still selling for almost $900. I'm not a big fan of the new crop of large diaphragm electret mics, or even the new smaller electrets.
I doubt I'll be listening to the C3000B anytime soon. The first one left a very bad taste in my mouth, since I bought it when it was still selling for almost $900. I'm not a big fan of the new crop of large diaphragm electret mics, or even the new smaller electrets.
Gidge
Lapdance Test Dummy
Gidge said:
speak of the devil....someone under the name of Ted Perlman just registered on this BBS....is it the same Ted Perlman that had this to say about the Studio Projects C1?.....
http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/files/2CAB4F71AF9E2A1C86256A650081ECF9
sjoko2
New member
Now isn't that a surprise - or should that be - now why am I not surprised.
Chris F
New member
Have some people been watching a few too many "X-Files" episodes lately? Next, someone will suggest that Harvey's in on the action (since he likes the C1), and that the only way to kill him is to stab him in the back of the neck with an alien icepick.
I know it's a stretch - I mean really, REALLY a stretch - but isn't it just possible that a bunch of people really liked this mic without being a part of some huge international conspiracy? And then, seeing as it's a free world and they wanted to share their good luck in discovering it, wrote reviews saying that they really liked it? Think about it - Harvey got accused of being connected with the Sound Room because he really liked the MC012's for the money and was trying to save people the hassle of buying mics with poor QC from ___________. Now, everyone agrees tht he's about the most straight up guy on the board, but man, when he first started posting, he caught shit from all sides. Do I sense a trend here? Or are the MICROPHONE POLICE really trying to control our minds?
I know it's a stretch - I mean really, REALLY a stretch - but isn't it just possible that a bunch of people really liked this mic without being a part of some huge international conspiracy? And then, seeing as it's a free world and they wanted to share their good luck in discovering it, wrote reviews saying that they really liked it? Think about it - Harvey got accused of being connected with the Sound Room because he really liked the MC012's for the money and was trying to save people the hassle of buying mics with poor QC from ___________. Now, everyone agrees tht he's about the most straight up guy on the board, but man, when he first started posting, he caught shit from all sides. Do I sense a trend here? Or are the MICROPHONE POLICE really trying to control our minds?
K
KaBudokan
New member
Yawn.
(Sorry. Just had to contribute something to this thread.
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(Sorry. Just had to contribute something to this thread.
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