Under The Hood - Inside the Marshall V67G and the Studio Projects C1

[MrLip]

WOW

Sounds great. I'm assuming the C1 is on the vocals.

Can we get another one but with a male singer?

 

[KaBudokan]

That demo sounds great... You should sell a few mic's with that clip.

Of course, I'm sure there's some good production experience behind that one as well, but you certainly can't deny the killer sound on the vox. Nice work.

 

[alanhyatt]

To all,

The demo is killer. The C1 was used on all the vocal tracks. It really is just a quick demo project, and it was done by Pete Leoni. I think he said the whole thing took him a couple of hours. Pete is an excellent engineer and is very good at what he does. That demo also shows off the new Purfect Drums program. Pete is a noted reviewer like many on this group, but he also has a good home studio.

We will try to get more MP3's, but they are time consuming to get done, and don't always turn out great. Some do, some dont. If you have not been able to download the demo yet, keep trying. It can only access one user at a time, but I think it shows the C1's ability, so keep trying...it does work.

Alan Hyatt
PMI Audio

 

[MrLip]

Wait a minute --

I went back to listen to this mp3 again. I'm hearing something strange in the treble on the vox. Maybe it's from the mp3 encoding but I'm not sure. It almost kinda sounds like a distortion that I've heard in the past when using AutoTune. It's hard to describe. Kind of like a high pitched digital squealing sound. I'm only hearing it on the vox though, I don't hear it on the instruments.

Here are some places where I find the sound is more evident:

First line, the word "been"
Second line, "many" and "roads"
Third line, "dead ends"
And so on..

I can hear it throughout the song. It is more evident in some places than others. Was any type of vocal pitch processing or anything performed on the vox?

Are other ppl hearing this as well? If not, maybe I just got a screwy mp3.

 

[getuhgrip]

Disclaimer: The following is coming from a guy that just two weeks ago had only a couple of Samson R11s. No junior engineer here, either. I'm still pouring through Harvey's thesis..one..page..at..a..time.

Prior recordings of my acoustic with the samsons yielded a kind of "in the next room" lack of presence. This didn't change much with varieing the position or aim points of the mics. Also souded boomy.

I know I can't compare SP C1s with the Samsons. Different kind of mic. But I know at least two other guys that bought those Samsons @ 3 for $69 thinking they had one area of their recording program taken care of. So this is really for them.

Anyway. Familiar with only the samsons, I was immediately amazed and impressed. Clear as a bell. In your face presence. One mic two feet away in front aimed torwards me, the other behind and over the shoulder. Wow!

This isn't a viable review because I don't know mics. But I can register improvement.
When my recordings were turning out hollow, muffled crap, I just assumed it was due to everything else combined; room acoustics, cheap guitar, Darla24 (as opposed to more elaborate card), ect.. I thought that a better mic would just emphasize all the negative aspects.
Apparently the Samson was the most negative aspect!

Am I going to damage this mic if placed at the cone of my guitar amp or bass drum?

 

[ausrock]

Getuhgrip,..............Sorry if I'm missing something here, but which mic(s) did you use in front and over your shoulder? The Samsons, 2 C1s or a combination of the two? BTW, which shoulder?

Peace..........ChrisO

P.S.........SP have me slightly curious as to why they have chosen an Aust. distributor that is located way off to left field and that not too many people even know of, let alone the fact that they are listing the C1 at $649 Australian.

 

[Roel]

SP have me slightly curious as to why they have chosen an Aust. distributor that is located way off to left field and that not too many people even know of, let alone the fact that they are listing the C1 at $649 Australian.

I was looking into the Oktava's. I discovered that one mic with capsules from the Belgian distributor would cost me more than a matched pair with capsules from the soundroom, and that is INCLUDING importtaxes and transport... If I order it from Russia, I would almost be able to get 2 matched pairs for the price of one mic from the distributor...

I wonder how much those SP mics will cost over here...

 

[alanhyatt]

Ausrock,

Mixmasters is a good distributor. They may be far off in distance, but they were the only ones that showed an interest when we first came to market. I am sure they can ship anywhere you need them to.

My guess is even if you bought a C1 in the USA, add on $50.00 for freight, another 20 to 25% duty and Tax, and your looking at $350.00 USA, which is about $675.00 Australian.

If you are seriously considering a C1, call Mick Wordly at Mixmasters, and tell him Alan Hyatt sent you. Ask him for a deal, and tell him you were on the newsgroup. I am sure Mick will work with you. Importing from one country to another is always higher as a result of freight and duty, but I am doing everything I can to make the price a level playing field.

I am always open for you comments at alan@pmiaudio.com

thanks,

Roel,

Check with Midwest Audio in Norway at sales@midwestaudio.com
Ask for Paul.

 

[Prism]

Alan...do you have a phone number/email address for Mick Wordly?

Isaiah

 

[ausrock]

Prism,

try Mixmasters web site for info.....www.mixmasters.com.au.

Alan, thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying, it just gets a little frustrating when I see these mics (and other things) heavily discounted by US retailers to the point of being "retailed" at what must be close to the wholesaler's cost.
OK, I know we are only a small market here, but it still gets up my nose.

Peace.........ChrisO

 

[MISTERQCUE]

Good Job Alan!

I just read the the reviews of Rip Rowan and Ted Perlman (
who stated that the C1 is even BETTER than U87) and was thouroughly impressed! Especially with the fact it can handle SPL's
over 130 db! I'm gettin mine Friday!

 

[alanhyatt]

MISTERQCUE


Wooooah there fella, thanks a lot, but those opinions are Rips and Ted Perlman's opinions. Frankly, I respect both of them, and think Ted is a great engineer and producer with a top 100 hit and climbing, but I want to make it clear... I did not say it is better than a U87, nor did I make any comparison.

This is what has brought a load of hostility from the high end users on a few newsgroups, so take their opinions, Ted and Rip's, as that...their opinion. If you like what they do, then trust them, if not judge for yourself.

I have always stated a good engineer can get almost the same, and sometimes, maybe better results based on a specific track when using lower cost gear. It’s all about the knowledge of how to use the gear.

If you can afford a $4k mic pre, and $4k mic, that's even better, but most can't, so if you can make the best of less costly gear, you can get great results.

Let us know how you like the mic.

 

[chessparov]

Hi Alan, I just wanted you to know I mentioned the C1 in a thread called
"one good mike" at musicplayer.com, George Massenburg's forum to
bring more attention to the recent MP3 recordings mentioned here.

 

[MrLip]

So no one else has noticed the weird treble on that mp3???

 

[alanhyatt]

chessparov

Thanks for the help, I appreciate all I can get guys. As always, I am thankful for your support.

Hey Mr. Lipp,

Remember with MP3's you can get all kinds of artifacts happening between the transfers on uploads, and downloads. That is why I don't rely to heavily on them, good or bad. Some can sound great, and others can display odd sounds that were not in the recording, but appear on the download, so while you can get a representation of the sound, don't take everything your hear as an equipment fault as it most probably is computer software.

 

[MrLip]

Yes, I am aware of the shortcomings of mp3 compression.

I was surprised that no one else noticed the weird treble.