The New Tone Thread

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minerman said:
Lo-power EVH
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The main body of the tone sounds cool, but there's something weird underneath it - quite buzzy. Quick thick and dark - I wouldn't call it flubby though. Seems to be a lot of noise here, have you turned the gain up on your AI for this one?

minerman said:
15w EVH>EVH cab>i5
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Nice, similar to the previous but without as much bottom in it and less of that buzziness.


minerman said:
15w EVH>'65>i5
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No flubby or buzzy here but this is quite cutting to me - would probably sound better in a mix with a bass in there too.

minerman said:
15w EVH>G12H>i5
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I think this is similar to the one above but its actually starting to sound a bit harsh to me.


minerman said:
15w EVH>Greenback>i5
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Now, I like this one - doesn't have the harshness of the previous too, I find this one has a little more warmth but also without being dark or flubby.

minerman said:
15w EVH>V30>i5
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I think this one has the nicest overall tone to it although it is starting to get a tiny bit indistinct at the bottom.

minerman said:
G12H Mix
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You're right that G12H does sound good in the mix - everything else balances out the harshness - would still like to hear the greenback. What is the model of your amp again, Miner. I saw some reasonably priced EVH stuff the other day when I was amp testing but didn't try any of it. Figured it might be too hi-gain for me.
 
Greg_L said:
Oh yeah, bringing the power back up really makes that amp breathe better. All off those clips sound good to me. I particularly like the G12H and 65 the best.
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I purposely didn't re-read what you'd written about these clips before I lined them all up and listened to them. No wonder you never like my tones!
Aside from the low powered first clip, these two were my least favourite - I found them harsh and cutting in comparison to the others. They're not bad though.
 
JDOD said:
I purposely didn't re-read what you'd written about these clips before I lined them all up and listened to them. No wonder you never like my tones!
Aside from the low powered first clip, these two were my least favourite - I found them harsh and cutting in comparison to the others. They're not bad though.
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I don't know about harsh, none of them sound harsh to me, but cutting is a good thing. I tend to prefer tones with some brightness to them. Thick and meaty is great, but they gotta have some shine too.
 
Might just be my perception of them after listening to the earlier clips - I'm listening on a pair of hardshell Senn headphones in work - dunno how much difference that makes. Maybe I'm just a sensitive soul.
 
JDOD said:
would still like to hear the greenback. What is the model of your amp again, Miner. I saw some reasonably priced EVH stuff the other day when I was amp testing but didn't try any of it. Figured it might be too hi-gain for me.
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Well, the left side gtr is the EVH Greenback if that counts...:D

It's the EVH LBX 15 head Jdude, I've got about $400 in it, used...It does have a lot of gain, but there's also a gain knob that can be turned down as well as up man....just sayin'....:laughings:

The buzzy thing is the power tubes, if you turn the volume down a hair, it disappears, & in 15w mode it doesn't do it until you get the volume wound up past 5-6. I'm assuming they've found a way to drive those power tubes harder with the power switch (Lt. Bob explained it yesterday, it takes part of the power tubes out of the circuit basically, which makes 'em break up quicker)...It's ok for playing, but it doesn't sound that great recorded...
 
JDOD said:
Might just be my perception of them after listening to the earlier clips -
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or maybe you have different taste.

I don't personally subscribe to the idea that there is any 'right' tone ..... if you like it, it's good ..... for you.
None of the iconic tones we've come to associate with various styles of music were iconic when they were first dreamed up.
The actually only became iconic because the artist in question was a hit in their particular field.

Van Halen wasn't a hit because of his 'brown' sound. His brown sound became sought after because Van Halen was a hit maker.

If you turned out 6 or 7 mega-hits there'd be guitarists seeking after your dark tones.
 
I agree. It's just tastes. And I also agree with the brown sound example. Most of the famous tones people try to duplicate were from a dude's hit songs. Like EVH, Slash, David Gilmour, Hendrix, etc. People chase after album sounds. EVH was a tinkerer for sure and he did weird things to get a sound that worked for him. But had Van Halen never hit it big...which was because of his wild playing and their vapid pop rock songs, then no one would give one fuck about his brown sound. Slash used a Les Paul copy and a rented amp. Creating some "ultimate tone" was not on his agenda. I don't think too many of those old timers spent as much time on their gear as we tend to do. To me, since I'm not a fan, Gilmour's tone doesn't do anything for me. Fanboys jizz all over the place for it though. And really, as far as I can tell, this tone worship shit is a pretty new phenomenon that didn't really start until the internet/youtube/bedroom player age. Before anyone could record and make youtube videos, no one cared about copying famous guitar tones.

Look up "Ramones guitar cover" on youtube. There are about twenty billion videos of bedroom hacks futzing their way through a Ramones song. None of them sound even remotely close to the real thing.
 
Lol at the thought of me knocking out mega hits and inspiring a generation of dark tones.

Bob, maybe there's not a right tone... but there's plenty of wrong ones
 
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EVH has brown tone
Clapton has woman tone
Gibbons has fat tone....

I'm influenced by all of them so I guess my tone is a hybird....

Fat Brown Woman tone!
 
jimistone said:
Fat Brown Woman tone!
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alrite ... that's the official tone thread toan.

let's figure out what it is a dial it in lol .... "Fat Brown Woman" toan ...... that's the elusive toan ... sought by many ..... found by none
 
LOL
Yeah but Bob...
when you get that toan and add a little dirt to it you have....
Dirty Fat Brown Woman toan!
 
You guys might know the answer to this.

Is there anyway to stop a gate fucking up the last chord of a song? just starting to fade nicely then it just crackles and dies, recording with a condenser this evening and I had raindrops hitting the windowsill
 
Here are some clips with the EVH LBX, using the same di, tonestack settings, speaker & mic. The only difference is I raised the volume on each part starting at "1" going up to "5" using both channels & power modes...

I had the interface's pre-amp gain on about "2" for all of 'em...

Signal chain:
SG > EVH LBX > EVH 4x12 > i5

Amp settings:

Resonance:........ 5
Gain:................ 4
Bass:............... 8
Mid:................. 3
Treble:............. 7
Presence:......... 8

Blue lo-power

Red lo-power

Blue 15w

Red 15w

All the knobs on this thing are quite sensitive & the slightest turn makes an audible difference to me, which is a good thing. Even the volume knob, as there's a pretty big jump from "1" to "2", so I'm still trying to dial the sweet spot in...

Anyway lemme know what you guys think...
 
JDOD said:
You guys might know the answer to this.

Is there anyway to stop a gate fucking up the last chord of a song? just starting to fade nicely then it just crackles and dies, recording with a condenser this evening and I had raindrops hitting the windowsill
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Ditch the gate, & edit the track. FWIW, I never use a gate, I just edit the track(s) using the media item fade in/out...
 
JDOD said:
You guys might know the answer to this.

Is there anyway to stop a gate fucking up the last chord of a song? just starting to fade nicely then it just crackles and dies, recording with a condenser this evening and I had raindrops hitting the windowsill
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Gates aren't really designed for fade outs. That's not where they do their best work. Are you using a plug-in gate or a real gate?

minerman said:
Here are some clips with the EVH LBX, using the same di, tonestack settings, speaker & mic. The only difference is I raised the volume on each part starting at "1" going up to "5" using both channels & power modes...

I had the interface's pre-amp gain on about "2" for all of 'em...

Signal chain:
SG > EVH LBX > EVH 4x12 > i5

Amp settings:

Resonance:........ 5
Gain:................ 4
Bass:............... 8
Mid:................. 3
Treble:............. 7
Presence:......... 8

Blue lo-power

Red lo-power

Blue 15w

Red 15w

All the knobs on this thing are quite sensitive & the slightest turn makes an audible difference to me, which is a good thing. Even the volume knob, as there's a pretty big jump from "1" to "2", so I'm still trying to dial the sweet spot in...

Anyway lemme know what you guys think...
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First off, I'm getting a pretty good blast of fizz in these clips. It's significantly worse in the low volume sections, but it's there in the louder clips too. But beyond that, the 15w clips destroy the low power clips, and each one obviously gets better as the volume is increased. I like the Blue 15w higher volume sound the best. Low power low volume is poop. :D
 
Greg_L said:
First off, I'm getting a pretty good blast of fizz in these clips. It's significantly worse in the low volume sections, but it's there in the louder clips too. But beyond that, the 15w clips destroy the low power clips, and each one obviously gets better as the volume is increased. I like the Blue 15w higher volume sound the best. Low power low volume is poop. :D
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The fizz is probably mic placement dude...the 15 mode is definitely the way to go with this little thing other than just fucking around...

Did you notice the jump in volume from "1" to "2" in these clips??? There's quite a jump there IMO, dunno if you can really tell by the clips or not, but here in the room, it's pretty noticeable...

I'm still trying to dial in the sweet spot for the volume, from about 3-4 is about right for me, and anything past about 5 or so, has the weird fuzz undertone thing we were talking about a few days ago, even in 15w mode...
 
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