The New Tone Thread

[Greg_L]

Hey guys - just wanted to say hi. I love how this thread is still going strong. It's been a winter for the ages up here and I'm too busy to do squat but I still read these posts almost every day. Great tones and great spirit right here. Kinda what this site was built for yeah?

Keep rockin', gents. I'll see ya' in the spring.


lou

Hey Lou! Don't be a stranger.

For you n00bs to this thread....this is the guy that actually started it.

well, the kids have left ...... and now I'm sick ..... going back to bed.

Kids have left? Is that a euphemism for something? Like took a shit? Threw up? Shot a load? I tell the wife "I gotta drop the kids off at the pool". That means I gotta take a dump. Anyway, get well soon Boob!


I guess I will continue my halfassed tour of the JVM410. I probably should have started with this one, but I wasn't originally planning on doing the whole thing. Here's the Clean Channel. Same deal, one channel, three modes, green, orange, and red, going up in gain with red being the craziest. There are two, maybe three weird things about this channel:
1) The Green (cleanest) mode bypasses the channel volume all together and goes straight to the master volume. Don't ask me why.
2) The tone stack comes before gain. This means you can clean up or distort certain frequency ranges, like a Plexi/Super Lead. You want the bass and highs to stay clean and only overdrive the mids? No problem, roll back the bass and treb and crank the mids. With most amps all of the guitar signal hits the gain stages and then gets filtered by tone controls. This channel is different.
3) Red mode is not clean at all.

So here's the clips.

Les Paul Trad - Burstbucker 3 bridge
Marshall JVM410 - Clean channel
Resonance & Presence - 0
Bass - 4
Mid - 4
Treb - 6
Gain - 3
Channel & Master vol - 5
Reverb - 0
Marshall 1960B 4x12 - Vintage 30 - Audix i5 on axis, on grill, halfway to edge.
No processing in DAW.

JVM Clean Green
JVM Clean Orange
JVM Clean Red

Edit - Bonus!
Yanked the Mosrite clone out of the case and did some of the same with the Hallmark 60 Custom. You can really hear the difference in Red mode. The single coil in the 60C doesn't drive the amp nearly as hard as the LP's humbucker, and the amp responds in kind with less aggression.

Hallmark 60C Clean Green
Hallmark 60C Clean Orange
Hallmark 60C Clean Red

 

[Lt. Bob]

Woah ........ that's a great example of a 'bucker vs. a P90!
I love, love LOVE how the Hallmark sounds.
Next expensive thing I'll buy is one of those ...... I really want one bad ..... maybe next year I can convince wifey I should have one.

Last time I spent a lotta bucks was $1700 for my Mark V so I'm still a ways away from being able to convince her I need to spend a grand on a git since I already have a buttload of them.
But when I do get one it'll either be the purple one with the white P90s or the red,white and blue one.

Kids have left? Is that a euphemism for something?

Our Deland daughter and her hubby spent the last week with us while he was on leave .... he had a bad cold ...... now I have one.

 

[Greg_L]

Thanks Boob! Dude I think you would destroy on one of these Hallmarks. IMO they're right up your alley. You play so clean and precise I bet you'd get a ton of sweet ass sounds out of one. One thing though, they don't come with P-90s. They come with Mosrite clone single coils, and they're super duper hot. They have as much output as a humbucker. I love the guitar but I had to take the stock bridge pickup out. I love single coils but this thing was just outrageous. I put the P-Rails in mine. That pickup makes the guitar way more usable for me.

Sorry about the cold. Colds suck ass. I just got over a bad one. You know what helped me? Jaegermeister and Nyquil.

 

[minerman]

Minermaniac, honestly a JVM would be extreme overkill for you. It's overkill for me, and I actually gig. For your kind of sounds, your DSL and Chupacabra are just fine. You probably wouldn't use half of the JVM, and all of it's advantages over a DSL are really just functionality for live use. For recording you don't need most of it's bells and whistles. It's an amp designed for extreme versatility to be used live and loud.

And even with all of it's versatility, I still prefer my single channel old school style Marshalls.

You're probably right man, but I still want one of them motherfuckers!!!

I liked the Mosrite orange clip best dude, to me, it just sounded "right" for that song...

Lou: Stop by dude, I remember you're the one who started this whole thing, I came long after you started it, but I feel I've earned my place here...lol...I fuckin' hate winter, but what can we do about it??? Not a damn thing...lol...Stop back by dude!!!!



Ok, finished up about all I"m gonna do as far as room treament, I might make some 1'x1' panels, but it's gonna have to warm up a hell of a lot before I do...I picked the perfect day yesterday for it, but today, no fuckin' way, too cold....Here's a couple pics of the room now:





I don't know about the low end (it probably didn't help much to be honest), but the flutter echo I had is gone, pretty much completely...and I'm actually pretty anxious & curious about my guitar tracks now, to see if they're gonna have that terrible room sound on 'em I've had since I moved here...Honestly, I'd say anything I did to this room had to help....We'll see tomorrow though, as it's too late for any guitar tracks....

 

[Lt. Bob]

where's the lava lamp?

 

[minerman]

where's the lava lamp?

Lol...I actually had one, but left it in my cell at the penitentiary when I scaled the wall back in the spring....I asked the warded where it was a month or two after I escaped, & she said she threw it out....Glad I didn't leave any of my gear over there..... I'll have to pick another one up, I've seen 'em at different places for like $10-12...

All shit aside, I can tell a pretty big difference in the sound of the room now, it's hard to describe, other than it's more "clear" than before...I loaded up my daw & was listening to a song I'm working on, & could tell right away some things I needed to do mix-wise compared to yesterday, so, the total cost of all this shit was about $125...If I went the Auralex route, I might have 1-2 panels in here, so I'm pretty happy...I did spend about a whole day making/hanging the panels in here though, but it's time & $$$ well spent IMO...I can't wait to make these 2 rooms into one big one, that'll double my space, & properly treated (more panels & lotsa bass traps to come then), should be pretty awesome...

 

[rayc]

Greg,
in round 1 I like the green. I'm out on a limb I know but that's what I like.
I like Orange on the 2nd set.
AND Red on the hallmarks.

 

[Sky Blue Lou]

Miner - panels are awesome and make a hell of a difference, especially for playback and mixing. I did my "studio" a couple years ago now. Couldn't believe the difference.

 

[Sky Blue Lou]

 

[Greg_L]

Thanks Ray and Miner. I'll try to do the OD channels at some point this weekend.

Miner, nice job on all those panels. I know when I did my room, I noticed a difference immediately after hanging just one bass trap. Are you gonna do the corners? If you have any material left, make some thick ones to straddle the corners.

Lou, that's a lot of panels! I like how you did columns in the corners. Good stuff!

 

[minerman]

Thanks guys,
I'm outta material/Roxul,& this is all I'm gonna do until I knock the wall out between this room & the next one. When I do that, I'll get some more Roxul, make more panels, & trap the fuck out of the corners...Right now, it'd be pretty much impossible to do anything like that, unless I re-arrange the whole room, & it just ain't feasible to do any more until I make the 2 rooms into one...Whenever I make that happen, it's gonna give me a room of about 10'x 20', which should be really good compared to what I have now...I can tell a big difference in here already, even without anything in the corners, & basically half a cloud...The flutter echo is gone, so I'm gonna fire the amps up in just a minute to see if it shows in my recordings or not....Clips to come.....

 

[jonny deep]

Just heading out to a guitar shop that seems to have a good inventory of Marshall amps. Hope I don't get an itchy trigger finger.

 

[minerman]

Just heading out to a guitar shop that seems to have a good inventory of Marshall amps. Hope I don't get an itchy trigger finger.

Lol....good luck dude, it's a damn good thing there aren't any music shops close to me that are worth a fuck....There's one about 30 mins from here, but they don't keep good stuff, mostly small/cheap stuff they'll be able to sell to young'ens....lol...Their prices are fuckin' outrageous too, I stopped in there & bought a Tung-Sol pre-amp tube for my Blackstar a couple years ago, & it was almost $20 for that one tube...You can buy the exact same thing online for about half that...I can see that they've gotta make a dollar, but damn....


I thought you were gonna buy that AFD amp dude????

 

[Lt. Bob]

looking good Lou!!

 

[TripleM]

Greg tones above...

House of the Rising Sun tone nailed perfectly (green channel especially). Sounded good. The Green channel came closest to the original. And I probably liked it best. I say "probably" because the orange was good too. And I don't knwo if I liked Green the best because it was the best, or because it was closest to the original. Red-Clean is a contradiction in terms. But it sounded OK to me too.

I prefer the LP to the Mosrite clone across the board. The LP has bigger and fuller tone. Just me I suppose. But to me there was no question which one I liked better. I wonder what the comparison would be like if you compensated for the Mosrite with more amp Gain.

 

[jonny deep]

Lol....good luck dude, it's a damn good thing there aren't any music shops close to me that are worth a fuck....There's one about 30 mins from here, but they don't keep good stuff, mostly small/cheap stuff they'll be able to sell to young'ens....lol...Their prices are fuckin' outrageous too, I stopped in there & bought a Tung-Sol pre-amp tube for my Blackstar a couple years ago, & it was almost $20 for that one tube...You can buy the exact same thing online for about half that...I can see that they've gotta make a dollar, but damn....


I thought you were gonna buy that AFD amp dude????

I'm going to keep an eye out for a used afd100, the new collectors edition is very expensive. The shop I went to today had a 1987x plexi reissue and a jtm45 reissue sitting there connected to 4x12s. They also had the joe satriani jvm410h, which looks mega complicated! They didn't have any lefty guitars, though, which is lame. I'm going to go back with my les Paul some time to try the 1987x. I don't think I'm really interested in it, though. The power scaling on the afd100 is a big draw for me. You never know, though, I might like it enough to go for it.

 

[minerman]

I'm going to keep an eye out for a used afd100, the new collectors edition is very expensive. The shop I went to today had a 1987x plexi reissue and a jtm45 reissue sitting there connected to 4x12s. They also had the joe satriani jvm410h, which looks mega complicated! They didn't have any lefty guitars, though, which is lame. I'm going to go back with my les Paul some time to try the 1987x. I don't think I'm really interested in it, though. The power scaling on the afd100 is a big draw for me. You never know, though, I might like it enough to go for it.

If you've got your heart set on the AFD, just save up & go for it dude...

I've never played through one, but Greg says the Satriani JVM is a kick-ass amp....He says it's better than his JVM410, but again, I don't know personally....

The JVM isn't really complicated dude, even while I've never played through one, it's just a 4-channel amp, with gain, volume & tonestack controls for each channel....On each channel, there's 3 variations of that sound, clean, crunch & od (correct me if I'm wrong), & that's pretty much it dude...Shouldn't be hard to figure out, the hardest thing for me would be leaving the knobs alone & play through it....hahaha


I'm gonna have a JVM eventually, might even go with the Satriani model, just depends on what I find when I get ready for it...


Keep us posted dude!!!

 

[Greg_L]

Greg says the Satriani JVM is a kick-ass amp....He says it's better than his JVM410,

Greg never said that. The Satriani Crunch Red is better. The rest of the amp is worse IMO. The Satriani's two OD channels are the same thing. WTF? Stupid. The clean channel is designed after the 6100 clean channel. No reverbs. Noise gates instead. It's a big ol yawner as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Greg_L]

Greg tones above...

House of the Rising Sun tone nailed perfectly (green channel especially). Sounded good. The Green channel came closest to the original. And I probably liked it best. I say "probably" because the orange was good too. And I don't knwo if I liked Green the best because it was the best, or because it was closest to the original. Red-Clean is a contradiction in terms. But it sounded OK to me too.

I prefer the LP to the Mosrite clone across the board. The LP has bigger and fuller tone. Just me I suppose. But to me there was no question which one I liked better. I wonder what the comparison would be like if you compensated for the Mosrite with more amp Gain.

Thanks dude. I think either guitar works for cleans for me. I really like the Hallmark best, but my LP has IMO the perfect humbucker, so I like the LP cleans too. I could be equally fine with either.

 

[Greg_L]

BTW jonny, the JVM is not complicated at all. Yeah it's got a shit ton of ugly knobs, but it's just groups. Each group of knobs is like one amp. It's really very simple. Much more simple than other multi channel amps like the Mesa Mark V and Roadsters.