The New Tone Thread

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Lt. Bob said:
I have a 100 watt Weber Michigan in my Mark V. I like it pretty good although i find it to sound pretty similar to a V30.
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Man, I'm really hot and cold on these Vintage 30's. Sometimes I'm like, dude these things sound sweet, and sometimes I'm like dude these things are kind of meh. I really like clean and lead tones through them. Jamming overdriven powerchords through them isn't very exciting though. I love the midrange but they're sometimes too midrangey.
 
Greg_L said:
They're not too bad unless you go sticking a speaker inside of them. :laughings:
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:laughings: :laughings:

Sam, drums are fun to mess with once you start, kind of. You are Greg are both hearing the snare adjustments needed and I'm kicking myself for not hearing them before. :o
 
kip4 said:
I'm gonna try another tack and put an eq pedal between the zoom gfx5 and the amp. Maybe add a little more bottom end to the reverb signal.
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So you're going guitar > Zoom > tape deck and using the compressor in the Zoom? The beauty of tape is it adds natural compression. I wonder how it would turn out if you back off of your Zoom compression and hit the tape with hotter levels. Tape is a pita, but pretty awesome tonewise.
 
Seeker of Rock said:
:laughings: :laughings:

Sam, drums are fun to mess with once you start, kind of. You are Greg are both hearing the snare adjustments needed and I'm kicking myself for not hearing them before. :o
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Real drums are the hardest part of a song to record well. I mean, I've never tried recording an orchestra or anything, but in rock based music, drums are by far the most difficult to get right. They also will make or break a mix. A less-than-stellar guitar or bass tone is forgivable. That stuff is very subjective. But bad drums completely ruins a mix and nothing sounds cheap and amateurish like bad drums. The quality of the drum tracks IMO is what separates a typically obvious home recording that doesn't impress or inspire anyone from a home recording that sounds pro.
 
Greg_L said:
Man, I'm really hot and cold on these Vintage 30's. Sometimes I'm like, dude these things sound sweet, and sometimes I'm like dude these things are kind of meh. I really like clean and lead tones through them. Jamming overdriven powerchords through them isn't very exciting though. I love the midrange but they're sometimes too midrangey.
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I have the same love/hate relationship with Vintage 30 speakers. I think it comes down to each speaker, as some tend to be nasty on certain frequencies, then you'll come across one that is "warmer" sounding in that same area.
I think it's where they are now being manufactured that causes the inconsistencies...sometimes the sound good and sometimes annoying.
I've seen the same thing with Greenbacks...some are sweet and some can be nasty-honky....but I have a couple that were made in England, and they both sound great.

I've tried at least 4 different Vintage 30s in the last few years in a few different amp/cab combination...and most of them didn't pan out...but then, I got one Vintage 30 with my Savage Macht 12X combo...and it was pretty good, but I ended up sticking a WGS Retro 30 in the Savage...so I took the Vintage 30 and put it in my Rivera Chubster 40, and it sound real nice in there.
The Chubsters has pretty deep cab, and it's thick/heavy construction (it's not a huge combo, but the cab is deeper than many for that size combo)....so the Vintage 30 speaker married up nicely with the Chubster.
 
miroslav said:
I have the same love/hate relationship with Vintage 30 speakers. I think it comes down to each speaker, as some tend to be nasty on certain frequencies, then you'll come across one that is "warmer" sounding in that same area.
I think it's where they are now being manufactured that causes the inconsistencies...sometimes the sound good and sometimes annoying.
I've seen the same thing with Greenbacks...some are sweet and some can be nasty-honky....but I have a couple that were made in England, and they both sound great.

I've tried at least 4 different Vintage 30s in the last few years in a few different amp/cab combination...and most of them didn't pan out...but then, I got one Vintage 30 with my Savage Macht 12X combo...and it was pretty good, but I ended up sticking a WGS Retro 30 in the Savage...so I took the Vintage 30 and put it in my Rivera Chubster 40, and it sound real nice in there.
The Chubsters has pretty deep cab, and it's thick/heavy construction (it's not a huge combo, but the cab is deeper than many for that size combo)....so the Vintage 30 speaker married up nicely with the Chubster.
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There's also different "specs" for V30's. Mesa has a "Mesa Spec" V30 that they use in their cabs and combos. Then there's the general public retrofit V30. And there's one other, I can't remember. I remember reading somewhere that there were 3 versions of the V30.
 
Greg_L said:
Real drums are the hardest part of a song to record well. I mean, I've never tried recording an orchestra or anything, but in rock based music, drums are by far the most difficult to get right. They also will make or break a mix. A less-than-stellar guitar or bass tone is forgivable. That stuff is very subjective. But bad drums completely ruins a mix and nothing sounds cheap and amateurish like bad drums. The quality of the drum tracks IMO is what separates a typically obvious home recording that doesn't impress or inspire anyone from a home recording that sounds pro.
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before you can get a big bass drum sound you have to have a big bass drum!
 

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The problem with that is the beater. He needs a long beater that will hit the center of the drum.
 
Greg_L said:
The problem with that is the beater. He needs a long beater that will hit the center of the drum.
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From the laughter on that guy's face I'm assuming the pic is a joke but you raise a good point.
Does the beater need to strike the exact center?
Are there those that prefer to strike more towards the edge?
Just curious ....... I'm not a drummer.

AND would the same apply to a 144" kick?
 
Lt. Bob said:
From the laughter on that guy's face I'm assuming the pic is a joke but you raise a good point.
Does the beater need to strike the exact center?
Are there those that prefer to strike more towards the edge?
Just curious ....... I'm not a drummer.

AND would the same apply to a 144" kick?
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A drum is always gonna have it's purest truest sound being hit in the center. Anything off center sounds wongo to me.
 
That would be awesome.

My greenback is supposedly "specially voiced" for my Vox cab (1x12 cab).

The model number on the label is standard; I haven't been able to figure out if it
is different somehow, or just marketing hype.

"This is a specially voiced cabinet with a Custom Vox Celestion Greenback speaker (G12M), and weighs in at 24.2 lbs for easy portability with your Night Train head. The G12M Greenback delivers all the classic characteristics you could want, but has some additional mid range attack dialed in along with some more refined top end. "
 
Seeker of Rock said:
So you're going guitar > Zoom > tape deck and using the compressor in the Zoom? The beauty of tape is it adds natural compression. I wonder how it would turn out if you back off of your Zoom compression and hit the tape with hotter levels. Tape is a pita, but pretty awesome tonewise.
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Nearly mate i dont think zoom to tape would work as well.
Signal path is
MiM Strat.Zoom gfx 5> solid state amp > gls es57 mic> Alice preamp> Tape>real time record to daw (no mastering or extra fx)> cool edit pro conversion to mp3 pro > Upload

I backed off the compressor and its tamed the low end nice enough now that its not distorting.
but the low E string is now sounding a bit dead i would like it to sound more zingy (not an official terminology) I'm used to playing a telecaster so thats what i expect.
But i was going for a mark knopfler tone for a lead part really but i ended up doing a trial with a rythmn part. lol Dont ask. I just thought a tone sample of lead alone would sound a bit dull maybe.
Gees im such a retard.
I had another go tonight and i liked it better perhaps i'll upload over the weekend with an acoustic backing or something.
Thanks for the intrest though
Soon
Rich le Retard
 
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Here you go seeker i rerecorded (excuse the crappy playing i'm exhausted after a hard day with the kids)
Same chain ammended patch on gfx 5
and hitting the tape a little harder too.
Sounds a bit better to my ears.
Forgot to say i used a differant tape too this time a TDK LX 35\90 Excellant tape btw
 
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I'm very late to this thread. Here's me playing my newest Flamenco guitar. It's a Cordoba 45fp. I have to get used to this thing because it's just so much bigger than my other flamenco guitar.

Track is completely raw... with the exception of reverb of course. :D I really like the sound of the slow playing after my mediocre attempt of a Fandango.

What are y'all's thoughts?



Here's a picture of the beauty.


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Joey....don't change a thing.
That last clip was just....ahh....well....words can't describe what that clip does for me.

You're going to be a hit at NAMM. :thumbs up:
 
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