Reason for using Reason

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Kevlar said:
I think reason is a great program. Anyone who talks shit about i doesn't know any better. The same mo fuckers put out wack out beats adn bash fruity but couldn't believe the shit people make with fruity loops.
with the beats you makin you dont know better either
 
I'm sorry but I find it offensive that you come onto our forum and insult us and the way we work. Anyway, I think you should read this.

I am not against hardware, I actually prefer it - but not because it's more powerful, rather because it is less powerful. Reason is so powerful that I lose direction with it, I prefer working with a hardware sampler since it's more focused.

Believe me, I got love for the old boom-bap and I'ma try my best to bring it back.
 
originally i wasnt gonna say anything,but during my reading I read 93 puff out his chest talkin no one is saying anything....so I said something...Also Im sorry you are offended,but this forum is for all...Im sorry I didnt see your age so,that wasnt cool on my part....but there is so much of the blind leading the blind...beleive me..this isnt the first site that this has been brought up....Im well aware of 9th wonder....fruity loops does the job....however....after he loaded it up in pro tools...what board did they run this in the ssl(worth hundreds of thousands) what kind of compressors etc....DEL the funkee homosapien from the bay made beats with a yamaha qy75...its a sequencer,,with some on board synth sounds...a lil bigger then a walkman..I had an sp12 with 2 seconds of sampling time....thats the beauty of rap....makin the most out of what you have.....Ya see when you read reviews and articles on equipment,there always gonna list the specs.....and you cant just go by that. they try and sway you wit...more sample time etc....it doesnt matter if you have an hour of sample time if the converters sound like shit...
My friend has currently
AKAI MPC60
AKAI MPC3000
AKAI MPC4000
ROLAND MV8000
ENSONIQ ASRX
EMU SP1200
ENSONIQ ARS10
KORG TRITON
ROLAND FANTOMX
YAMAHA MOTIF ES
MOOG VOYAGER
STUDIO ELECTRONICS SE1
STUDIO ELECTRONICS ATC
EMU PROTEUS 2000
EMU VINTAGE KEYS
WALDORF Q
KORG MS2000
EMU E4XT
AKAI S2000
ROLAND 5080
yeah he even has REASON,and other software VSTs
and many of these have expansion cards.Yeah he is a bit of a gear
junkie,but he makes beats professionally,and uses each one (not on same song)...ya see he doesnt use the sequencers or samplers on the keyboards ever..the other drum machine sampler/sequencers he uses for sequencing and sampling each one has its own characteristics...is all this necessary?NO...but it sure is great to have all this at your disposal...depending what kind of beat ya need its all available...i know people who use reason,I hear of the limitations that they dont like....Me I have a few reasons I dont like reason/fruity loops...and software....I aint trying to sway anyone away from it either...Me I turn my mpc 3000 on every day..it powers up and im creating instantly,use my motif and jp8000 for sounds..and i can tweak knobs all in real time....most my sounds arent thin,my samples sound excellent when i sample on the 3000,...My shit never freezes,and i dont ever have to worry about viruses
 
Man, can't we all just get along. Debate is very healthy because it helps everyone learn from one another. Software vs. Hardware is like talking about which Religion is best, it's a gauranteed argument. Let's just continue to strive for success with whatever we have gentlemen and remember that it's the magician and not the wand.
 
50cal said:
originally i wasnt gonna say anything,but during my reading I read 93 puff out his chest talkin no one is saying anything....so I said something...Also Im sorry you are offended,but this forum is for all...Im sorry I didnt see your age so,that wasnt cool on my part....but there is so much of the blind leading the blind...beleive me..this isnt the first site that this has been brought up....Im well aware of 9th wonder....fruity loops does the job....however....after he loaded it up in pro tools...what board did they run this in the ssl(worth hundreds of thousands) what kind of compressors etc....DEL the funkee homosapien from the bay made beats with a yamaha qy75...its a sequencer,,with some on board synth sounds...a lil bigger then a walkman..I had an sp12 with 2 seconds of sampling time....thats the beauty of rap....makin the most out of what you have.....Ya see when you read reviews and articles on equipment,there always gonna list the specs.....and you cant just go by that. they try and sway you wit...more sample time etc....it doesnt matter if you have an hour of sample time if the converters sound like shit...
My friend has currently
AKAI MPC60
AKAI MPC3000
AKAI MPC4000
ROLAND MV8000
ENSONIQ ASRX
EMU SP1200
ENSONIQ ARS10
KORG TRITON
ROLAND FANTOMX
YAMAHA MOTIF ES
MOOG VOYAGER
STUDIO ELECTRONICS SE1
STUDIO ELECTRONICS ATC
EMU PROTEUS 2000
EMU VINTAGE KEYS
WALDORF Q
KORG MS2000
EMU E4XT
AKAI S2000
ROLAND 5080
yeah he even has REASON,and other software VSTs
and many of these have expansion cards.Yeah he is a bit of a gear
junkie,but he makes beats professionally,and uses each one (not on same song)...ya see he doesnt use the sequencers or samplers on the keyboards ever..the other drum machine sampler/sequencers he uses for sequencing and sampling each one has its own characteristics...is all this necessary?NO...but it sure is great to have all this at your disposal...depending what kind of beat ya need its all available...i know people who use reason,I hear of the limitations that they dont like....Me I have a few reasons I dont like reason/fruity loops...and software....I aint trying to sway anyone away from it either...Me I turn my mpc 3000 on every day..it powers up and im creating instantly,use my motif and jp8000 for sounds..and i can tweak knobs all in real time....most my sounds arent thin,my samples sound excellent when i sample on the 3000,...My shit never freezes,and i dont ever have to worry about viruses


Man!! Dude is sitting on some Heat. I would love to check out that MPC 60 and MPC 300 since i've been reading those two machines are the best out there from AKAI. I've read some good things about the MV800 and SP also.
 
jugalo180 said:
Man!! Dude is sitting on some Heat. I would love to check out that MPC 60 and MPC 300 since i've been reading those two machines are the best out there from AKAI. I've read some good things about the MV800 and SP also.
My other friend had almost exact set-up....but he gets rid of equipment to pay rent when he aint sellin beats...
yeah its like having your own Guitar center....they also some nice have recording equip...but thats another story..
The one with the huge list he has been making alot of beats on the mv8000 lately,the other one thought the pads werent as responsive....
I had another friend with a triton (his only piece of equipment) and I let him borrow my mpc3000...he now comprehends what an mpc brings as far as its characteristics...and it aint the pads..wich is still cool to bang out tracks.
I like the 3000..some swear by it....Battlecat still uses his Chill from COMPTONS MOST WANTED still uses one.I could go on and on.....of course DR DRE still uses it....there is a reason.....I do like alot of features on the 4000...but the 3000 gets a different sound when sampling...The ones with 3000 or mpcs period who are makin beats and selling them...if there mpc goes down then there whole studio is down....Yeah they can make beats on there keyboards..but it aint the same..Its hard to understand that...because people wanna think with logic...and compare specs....just like the sp1200...why do people still use that today...with limited sampling and features...not just cause its easy for them...its that it brings its own flavor to the table...Myself Im not totally anti computer as far as sounds are concerned all sounds are good...remember when synthesizers came out they werent trying to duplicate the exact sound of a trumpet..(for example) they wanted a synthesized version..it was grimy..synthesized sound...now we have synths that reproduce the sound almost exactly.(yamaha motif sweet flute) so in having a computer I wouldnt use it a sequencer to make my beats...I wouldnt want to rely on it for sounds completely cause in case of computer issues..I would like to still be able to make beats.I would get a laptop and make it a giant sound module...It would mostly have strings,pianos,horns.....But for my basses and leads..it would come from an analog hardware unit such as the SE1 or ATC...I had the MOOG VOYAGER and would love to have that again especially since its new upgrade gives it 7 more banks of sounds wich were made by people like herbie hancock,fredwreck etc..over 700 more sounds...
 
50cal said:
I could respect that some just wann do it a different way then everyone else..but how can that be when there are so many using reason..(mostly un professional) ........lets call it what it is...its a budget studio in a box...made for the non professional beatmaker...dont get me wrong..there are some who are makin a living using it...but with songs like laffy taffy go out of style...then those using reason and fruity loops are gonna have to step it up....

Um, Reason is a STANDARD in every Proffessional studio across the world, if a studio doesnt have reason, go somewhere else. and like jibran said, most of the "hit" albums today, regardless of genre utilize reason in one way or another, whether its re-enforcing a kick drum, laying down a beat, or adding a tiny sample sound in the background, reason is everywhere. it IS an industry standard.

-C$
 
Cyanide-Depende said:
Um, Reason is a STANDARD in every Proffessional studio across the world, if a studio doesnt have reason, go somewhere else. and like jibran said, most of the "hit" albums today, regardless of genre utilize reason in one way or another, whether its re-enforcing a kick drum, laying down a beat, or adding a tiny sample sound in the background, reason is everywhere. it IS an industry standard.

-C$
Where are you guys getting this shit?This is the funniest thing i ever heard....wait let me check your age before I continue.....O.K. I aint gonna argue with you cause..maybe through some technicality..you may find a copy of reason in major studios.......Most studios..the artists bring there beats on disk,or there equipment to track out the sounds....Unless you are an artist with a big budget you aint gonna be burning studio time makin your beats,Now I could understand if you said software will be found in almost every studio then i would agree....most people misunderstand when they read something in a mag and think this artist or that artist is getting this sound or that sound by using pro-tools etc(a Lil Off Topic) anyways it is pointless to argue..cause in the end it seems you are mis informed...and saying reason is an industry standard is the craziest thing i heard in a minute.If you can give some type of documentation,to give your opinion some weight let me know..
 
50cal said:
If you can give some type of documentation,to give your opinion some weight let me know..

Maybe I'm biased because I used to sell reason but it IS in every professional studio, I didnt say that artists all created their beats soley with reason, reason is a TOOL to SUPPLIMENT your music. But I will say that in the last few years most major releases used reason in one way or another. If you want to argue that it doesnt have good quality, or its not as virsitile as people say, or even that its over rated, check out the beastie boys last 2 or 3 albums.

Also, reason is supported by all the major software companies through rewire. If you look at sales patterns in the last few years, you'll see that any major audio production/recording software that did not support rewire is no longer around, or now supports rewire.

Check the link below for an interesting read on reason.

http://www.computermusic.co.uk/reviews/reason/reason1.asp

-C$
 
Im still trying to figure out where you say its in every major studio? Trust me i know people that use reason...and enjoy working with it and it suits there needs..I guess next time I see battlecat..Im gonna tell him he needs to fuck with reason...IM out on the westcoast been to a few studios,and between myself and my friends..have alot of knowledge on what a lot of people are using.Most top level producers I know of arent using reason...most aint using software..and the ones who are use software such as spectrasonics......example I know someone who spent $5000 on some strings software.Once again Im sure there are plenty of people who can make great beats on reason....I just think its a bit far fetched to say its in every major studio...i wouldnt even say the mpc is in every major studio...Beastie boys have used almost everything under the sun..it comes as no surprise that they used reason...that there personality...going against the grain....or just trying something different.It is in my opinion that its mostly popular cause of the budget factor....The sounds are thin..sure you can stack sounds etc...but in the end it is only gonna sound so good.....If I can keep it real...I hope to god software takes over hardware....this way I can get some good deals on used equipment....
 
heres my view,
i'm sure you guys need it :rolleyes:

If you were creating a sculpture you would need to make a metal frame first ,then you use clay so it wont colapse.

same way with reason,its a metal structure,but it wont carry you any farther than mixing the song...if that.

Have fun!
 
Garik said:
heres my view,
i'm sure you guys need it :rolleyes:

If you were creating a sculpture you would need to make a metal frame first ,then you use clay so it wont colapse.

same way with reason,its a metal structure,but it wont carry you any farther than mixing the song...if that.

Have fun!

100% truest statement on this thread
 
Reason is a great program and has some of the best soft-synths i've ever heard. i like the drum sequencer, double tempo adjust flam, and you got some nice drum rolls. some of the best reverb software too. use the NnXt to load a sample and now you have a full scale hit, (fruity loops may give you a cleaner sound at times), but reason can layer them (if you cant get a hold of NIs kontakt vst).
combine your own instruments for a custom sound. chop Dr-Rex loops (like the fruityloop slicer) but i prefer reasons dr-Rex its just easier to use and same quality.

still i rarely use it to construct the beat completely. i'll export my sounds and lay them out in acid or FL depending on what kind of track im making

but ima repeat this.. Reason has the best softsynths i've ever heard. if only it was possible to use rewire on the instrument alone or load them individually via vst. that would be great.
 
epidemic said:
but ima repeat this.. Reason has the best softsynths i've ever heard.

Cant argue this,you must not get out much,or heard some top quality soft synths,but you did state..they were the best you heard.
 
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