sweetnubs
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hiya everyone this is fun. fun fun fun. Anyone measure their cable's capacitance today? Let me know what you find out and get back to knubs m'kay.
sweetnubs
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ooooh over here over here. Don't foget about getting the right guage cable too, drastically effects performance.
Light
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Hey Zallen, how many twenty hour days have you spent in a studio. How many thousands of hours have you spent learning how to hear. My opinions are based on experience. Yours are based on a companies marketing campaign. That is why I was giving you shit about it. Once you spend the time to learn WTF you are talking about, I will be more than happy to listen to you. And BTW, school will only ever teach you theory. The only thing that will teach you how things actually work is long ass days in the studio.
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
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chessrock
Banned
This kind of stuff is why I come here. 
This thread is such an absolute classic on so many levels I'm beside myself, and probably no one else gets just what makes it so precious. Do me a favor: just bookmark it and come back to it a few weeks later. When you get it, PM me and we can share a good laugh.
(I'm the guy who gave it the stars).
Later,
Chess
This thread is such an absolute classic on so many levels I'm beside myself, and probably no one else gets just what makes it so precious. Do me a favor: just bookmark it and come back to it a few weeks later. When you get it, PM me and we can share a good laugh.
(I'm the guy who gave it the stars).
Later,
Chess
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alfalfa
New member
I have a problem with people forcing their opinions (rudely) on others. Light, if you think mogami sounds better than monster then fine thats your opinion. But dont attack others just because they think that monster sounds better. You cant tell people what they can or cant hear - just because you dont hear any benefit doesnt mean noone else can. They are entitled to their opinion, which is all it is - unless there is conclusive objective evidence that the monster cable is inferior to the mogami.
The topic is cables not zallens background ... play the ball and not the man. Frankly I wouldnt spend that much cash on cables but that doesnt mean others may not hear a benefit.
The topic is cables not zallens background ... play the ball and not the man. Frankly I wouldnt spend that much cash on cables but that doesnt mean others may not hear a benefit.
Jeff_D
New member
what chess- i tried to star it too at my last post- maybe the server isnt time aligned with my clicks and key strokes- guess i hit it too late...goood times
Slackmaster2K
Gone
Hey now Zallen, I didn't say which cable was better...I said that someone who's opinion is well-respected here found the high end monster stuff to be better. He can speak for himself though.
I simply think it's wrong to assume something is bullshit unless you know enough about the underlying principals to make a valid judgement. Green marker on a CD is bullshit. Time aligned cables? I dunno, they spew enough of a high tech explanation that I can't cast any doubt on it just because I know how to solder. We all know just how much of an impact even the tiniest component in a system can have on our audio...yet we have a hard time believing that the component our audio spends the most time with has anything to do with the signal.
Slackmaster 2000
I simply think it's wrong to assume something is bullshit unless you know enough about the underlying principals to make a valid judgement. Green marker on a CD is bullshit. Time aligned cables? I dunno, they spew enough of a high tech explanation that I can't cast any doubt on it just because I know how to solder. We all know just how much of an impact even the tiniest component in a system can have on our audio...yet we have a hard time believing that the component our audio spends the most time with has anything to do with the signal.
Slackmaster 2000
Blue Bear Sound
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Actually, I agree that Monster is good cable... but it doesn't have any more mystical properties than Canare, Mogami, Gepco, or Zaolla do...
What I don't like about it is the marketing hype and semi-plausible technical mumbo-jumbo the company builds up around it.... it's especially bad on the audio side of things, where two 12' channels of RCA-terminated stuff comes in at around $50-60 bucks! That's absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!!
The one thing it does have relative to the other cables (at least in Canada) is a huge markup on the cost -- and in my opinion, the semi-plausible mystical bullshit is not worth the addition to the price tag.
In my opinion, good cable is good cable - if you're already using Mogami or the others, you're not going to gain any appreciable advantage replacing it with Monster. If you're using Hosa, then replacing it with ANY of the cables I've mentioned will result in an improvement.
Economy of scale.....
What I don't like about it is the marketing hype and semi-plausible technical mumbo-jumbo the company builds up around it.... it's especially bad on the audio side of things, where two 12' channels of RCA-terminated stuff comes in at around $50-60 bucks! That's absolutely ridiculous!!!!!!!
The one thing it does have relative to the other cables (at least in Canada) is a huge markup on the cost -- and in my opinion, the semi-plausible mystical bullshit is not worth the addition to the price tag.
In my opinion, good cable is good cable - if you're already using Mogami or the others, you're not going to gain any appreciable advantage replacing it with Monster. If you're using Hosa, then replacing it with ANY of the cables I've mentioned will result in an improvement.
Economy of scale.....
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Gunther
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Zallen, I am not part of any clique, I am my own person with my own opinion. I have had some experience in A/Bing monster cable with other cables and I was not impressed. I am sure on some level the expensive cable has some value, but I feel the limitations of our other equipment severely outweighs the limitations of the cable, to the point that except on extremely high end gear, you wont hear any difference using monster vs. normally priced good cable. That’s my opinion.
Then you come here and make a post:
You then try to back up the validity of this product by copying and pasting monster’s own marketing hype based facts about this product.
Then you post admitting you really DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about this product!!?!
But then you post…
Now I called you an idiot… not the classiest thing, I know, but you had it coming to you. You sounded like an idiot in your all caps post. All I want to say to you is check your facts before posting, cause if there is anything questionable about your ‘facts’ people on this board WILL QUESTION them. That is what makes the board great.
Might I be wrong? Yeah. It’s possible that all the time / phase coherency is legit. But does it sound very far fetched to me? You better believe it. I CAN be convinced I am wrong, but its going to take a whole hell of a lot more than a regurgitation of monsters own hype to get me to believe it.
Some of the guys here go as far as making A/B recordings and posting the MP3’s for us to hear. That’s the kinda shit that gets people to think about the strength / weakness of a product. It was a blind comparison between the DMP3 and the RMP, in ‘the rack’ I think. That’s the kinda shit that makes this BBS awesome.
(Oh BTW, nice link you PMed to me. It triggered my anti porn popup blocker, WTF was it? Better watch out posting malicious links though, might really piss people off or get them in trouble at work.)
Then you come here and make a post:
Your pretty much giving your full endorsement for this cable and that the theory behind it is not a gimmick. You also suggesting we would all enjoy using it with our nice mics. I’m certainly not saying your trying to sell it for you’re own profit… but you ARE suggesting that it might be worth paying money for, don’t you agree?zallen25 said:
You then try to back up the validity of this product by copying and pasting monster’s own marketing hype based facts about this product.
Then you post admitting you really DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING about this product!!?!
Ok, so now you go from endorsing the product to questioning it yourself. Cool. All the questioning people did of your ‘facts’ did get through to you and you see our points and realize the need for testing. A smart person knows how to admit they are wrong, I give you credit for that.zallen25 said:
But then you post…
And from there things go down hill.zallen25 said:
Now I called you an idiot… not the classiest thing, I know, but you had it coming to you. You sounded like an idiot in your all caps post. All I want to say to you is check your facts before posting, cause if there is anything questionable about your ‘facts’ people on this board WILL QUESTION them. That is what makes the board great.
Might I be wrong? Yeah. It’s possible that all the time / phase coherency is legit. But does it sound very far fetched to me? You better believe it. I CAN be convinced I am wrong, but its going to take a whole hell of a lot more than a regurgitation of monsters own hype to get me to believe it.
Some of the guys here go as far as making A/B recordings and posting the MP3’s for us to hear. That’s the kinda shit that gets people to think about the strength / weakness of a product. It was a blind comparison between the DMP3 and the RMP, in ‘the rack’ I think. That’s the kinda shit that makes this BBS awesome.
(Oh BTW, nice link you PMed to me. It triggered my anti porn popup blocker, WTF was it? Better watch out posting malicious links though, might really piss people off or get them in trouble at work.)
cavedog101
Well-known member
Its not the fact that its extremely low-impedance cable as is several other manufacturers, its the hype that surrounds it.And the price of the hype is too much too bear.Mogami and belden here. Besides I havent noticed any magical properties in any of the XLR or TRS or RCA connectors they've got soldered onto the ends...maybe its elvish solder......
Blue Bear Sound
New member
LOLcavedog101 said:
Jeff_D
New member
Elvis?
nwsoundman
Vintage Gear Junkie
electrons travel mainly on the surface of a conductor. It is true high and low frequencies benefit by having an ideal surface area AND wire depth (thickness of the wire). So therefore a multi gauge cable can be nice to use. I wouldn't pay what Monster asks for it though.
Buy a few different types of cable and use them as minor EQ instead of the EQ on the desk.
They all sound different.
Kirk
Buy a few different types of cable and use them as minor EQ instead of the EQ on the desk.
They all sound different.
Kirk
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zallen25
New member
Light said:
I have had enough to help clients make good demos. Currently working with a very talented, beautiful young singer that got half way through the American Idol competition. I do what I can, ya I probley don't have as many hours as some of you, but I do know what its like to bust out the 20 hour days, 5 days str8 working with limited equipment and time, to get a good demo done for a band. Thats the fun part. Not only am I doing audio, but I do video as well. Going to provide an edge for people around my area that want to take their demos to the next level to stand out the most.......after all that's what its all about. I actually have made a commerical for an aprtment complex that is in the process of being aired once they get their financial agreements sorted out. I say not bad for a full time student, full time work, I do what I can. Are you going to tell me some of your credits, I would like to see your work? And yes im being sincere.
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Gunther
New member
I found a good website that did the math on the difference between when the low frequency and high frequency content arrive at the end of different wires.
I came up with a guess of 500 nano seconds difference in my post above, he did the math and deduced that the lows will arrive only 50 nano seconds later than the highs.
When you consider the speed of sound, 330 m/sec, 50 nanoseconds translates to the highs appearing 12 microns closer than the bass. Take diameter of an average strand of hair, split that 5 or 6 times and there you have 12 microns.
1/6th the diameter of a strand of hair… how much does this shit cost BTW?
The link BTW:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/audio/skineffect/page1.html
I came up with a guess of 500 nano seconds difference in my post above, he did the math and deduced that the lows will arrive only 50 nano seconds later than the highs.
When you consider the speed of sound, 330 m/sec, 50 nanoseconds translates to the highs appearing 12 microns closer than the bass. Take diameter of an average strand of hair, split that 5 or 6 times and there you have 12 microns.
1/6th the diameter of a strand of hair… how much does this shit cost BTW?
The link BTW:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/audio/skineffect/page1.html
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zallen25
New member
wow.........im impressed gunther. You made a reasonable post that had everything to do with the concept of the time aligned cable and nothing to do with a personal vendetta. Congratulations!.....seriously
And ill say this........this cable is expensive. The studio pro 1000 is $130 for 20 feet. (ouch)
And ill say this........this cable is expensive. The studio pro 1000 is $130 for 20 feet. (ouch)
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Gunther
New member
I have no personal vendetta, in fact back in the infamous monitor post on this board I even took offence to someone knocking you because of where you work.
If I didn’t have so many bills to pay and hobbies to support… I wouldn’t mind an easy, fun job like that myself.
The only problem I have with you is the lack of evidence in the ‘facts’ you post and your overreaction to questions. If that stopped then you would never hear any shit from me… period.
If I didn’t have so many bills to pay and hobbies to support… I wouldn’t mind an easy, fun job like that myself.
The only problem I have with you is the lack of evidence in the ‘facts’ you post and your overreaction to questions. If that stopped then you would never hear any shit from me… period.
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zallen25
New member
well the facts i posted were from monster's web site. It was simply their explination of what this cable was, all i did was copy and paste and then you all accuse me of false info, I mean.......wtf people, calm down : )
Blue Bear Sound
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Those aren't "facts" - they're "hype"....zallen25 said:
I know, I know.... salespeople generally can't distinguish between the two -- you're simply a product of your occupation......
yikes......
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Gunther
New member
zallen25 said:
This is what you posted. It is an endorsement of a product that you later admitted that you never gave a good listen to. (Did you listen to it at all?)
Then you backed it up with exaggerated fluff from monster.com.
I am not one to tell you how to speak or what to say… but when you say ‘Yeah, this shit is good’ but then admit you never critically listened to it, most people are going to think you're either an ass or an idiot.
Your less than charming personality doesn’t win you any points either.