GIMP (and some obligatory characters)
Do you really buy that expensive recording software?
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GIMP (and some obligatory characters)
machinetodd
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I absolutely think that running pirated software is no different then playing on a stolen instrument. Yes the prices for the high end software are ridiculous, but its HIGH END and thats just the way it is, you have to pay for all the programming and testing and that is not cheap.
Instead of pirating why dont you guys just use Reaper its only like 60 bucks and fully functional.
Thats just my 2 cents
Instead of pirating why dont you guys just use Reaper its only like 60 bucks and fully functional.
Thats just my 2 cents
GazEcc
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Sorta similar to my view, I tend to buy when I can but I wont pay for software I use as a toy or a learning tool, if I start to use it regularly or see that its a well designed software for the price i buy it, kinda an illegal fully functioning demo
I'm proud to say that the copy of EZDrummer I have now is real. That wasn't the story last December
My Cubase is real too. All because I use them all the time and have made a few pound / euro / dollar / beads with them 
What's interesting about the Magix Music Studio 2005 Deluxe software I use is that it's quite featured and doable
for the price. Definitely worth $70 I paid for back in 2005. It could probably hold it's own until I saved up for some high end product on the market. It's that good.
Visually, the GUI looks very "realistic", as it were, more pleasing to the eye opposed to, surprisingly many other high end stuff out there. Of course visuals isn't where it's at, but audio. Even so, audiowise, I don't hear anything that constitutes a problem as far as the program itself goes. For sure, my input devices are not top dollar and IMHO, anything between the microphone and the computer should be good sounding equipment.
I might point out that whatever the soundcard or audiocard, it's that sound card's parameter capabilities that set the various perameter tweakabilities in the host application software. ie cubase, protools, etc. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that's the case with most of the programs on the market. However, I have read that
some products don't rely on the computer's audio hardware. I "think" Magix's Sequoia falls under that. Could be wrong though.
for the price. Definitely worth $70 I paid for back in 2005. It could probably hold it's own until I saved up for some high end product on the market. It's that good.
Visually, the GUI looks very "realistic", as it were, more pleasing to the eye opposed to, surprisingly many other high end stuff out there. Of course visuals isn't where it's at, but audio. Even so, audiowise, I don't hear anything that constitutes a problem as far as the program itself goes. For sure, my input devices are not top dollar and IMHO, anything between the microphone and the computer should be good sounding equipment.
I might point out that whatever the soundcard or audiocard, it's that sound card's parameter capabilities that set the various perameter tweakabilities in the host application software. ie cubase, protools, etc. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that's the case with most of the programs on the market. However, I have read that
some products don't rely on the computer's audio hardware. I "think" Magix's Sequoia falls under that. Could be wrong though.
rayc
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I paid for a copy of Cakewalk ProAudio 9 & free updates to 9.3. I bought the VST adapter as well (that was REALLY expensive at US$70).
I have a free version of Cubase LE - came with my R16 and of Guitar Rig 2 that came with an interface. I don't use neither.
I have a copy of Reaper that I haven't yet installed - I don't seem to be able to integrate the R16 into Pro Audio so will try it in Reaper. If that works then I'll begin learning & working in Reaper. IF that works, (ie if I can move on from ProAudio happily), I'll pay for it - gladly as I've heard some terrific recordings done with it.
I have a free version of Cubase LE - came with my R16 and of Guitar Rig 2 that came with an interface. I don't use neither.
I have a copy of Reaper that I haven't yet installed - I don't seem to be able to integrate the R16 into Pro Audio so will try it in Reaper. If that works then I'll begin learning & working in Reaper. IF that works, (ie if I can move on from ProAudio happily), I'll pay for it - gladly as I've heard some terrific recordings done with it.
Don't use any cracks! Not cool! I wrote a book called "Drum Recording Handbook" that was publish by Hal Leonard about 2 years ago. It is already all over the internet! It really sucks! Mu first check after recoup was only $400.00!! Thanks to all the pirating and illegal download, I'll be lucky if I see anything from all my hard work of creating that book! Go out and buy a licensed recording program and enjoy all the tech support, free updates, and the thought of knowing what you did was the right thing!
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I never saw a crack or keygen that didn't install malware on my system. Sometimes it takes a while to figure out that's what happened.
John Sheehan
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I treat my recording software like I treat my music. I download tons of albums but the music that I really like and listen to I end up buying the cd's or Lp because I love having something physical and the artists deserve it. Same thing with DAW's or Vst's I have downloaded every piece of software I could get my hands on to take a test run on. I ended up loving ableton, cubase, and reason so I bought them. But not until I had a good amount of time figuring out that that was the route I wanted to go down. You wouldn't buy a 600$ guitar without playing it and certainly wouldn't accept a "demo or trial" of its tone playing with 4 strings..... As far as people saying the cracked versions never work right I assure you all of my software works exactly as it did when it was pirated. As far as VST's go there are so many independent companies out there making great software effect it is mind blowing. I actually use demonoid to search for new vst's some I would have never found otherwise. With the same philosophy, If they were really any good I bought them because with smaller companies that money goes toward developing new awesome effects.
As far as Paying for sample libraries. They can go fuck themselves the samples aren't theres to sell in the first place
As far as Paying for sample libraries. They can go fuck themselves the samples aren't theres to sell in the first place
benherron.rrr
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Isn't cracked software really good marketing? You download a free bit of software, weather to get the full image you can't get in a demo, or to fully try out all the compertition for the area your looking in. Plus its like buying with finance, say you really want/need a VI, but you cant afford it at that time, so you get it cracked. after using it your sold into the company, so you go out and buy it, not only that but you are sold on that brand, that upgrade path. sure some people take the piss and dont care. On a personal level, from using £50 worth of softwear, I have now invested over £300 in that company.
Pirating is stealing....end of story...period...no other excuse. You can try to justify to yourself and others the reason you are stealing, but you are still stealing.....let's put this in perspective. Owning and operating a hobby studio is a luxury, not a necessity. Even if it is your only means of support, that doesn't give you a right to steal that which you cant afford. If you wanted to start a construction company, would you go steal all the tools you couldn't afford? ...just until you made enough money to pay for the tools. That arguement is ludicrous.
Theft is theft....no matter how you try to justify it. You are taking money out of someone's wallett. Just because you feel it is overpriced doesn't give you the right to steal it...end of story.
Theft is theft....no matter how you try to justify it. You are taking money out of someone's wallett. Just because you feel it is overpriced doesn't give you the right to steal it...end of story.
Jeff_D
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When I was in architecture school, we all had to use AutoCAD to draft our projects. Of course, the school computer lab had the current version installed, but everyone (I mean everyone) who had a computer at home had a bootleg copy. Rumors abounded that Autodesk permitted, encouraged or even facilitated leaks and cracks of their latest version to get the latest generation "hooked" on AutoCAD as opposed to its (slim limited) competition. AutoCAD is pretty much the only game in town now. Whether they were behind the leaks or not, they certainly manged to grab pretty much the entire market share. I suppose the difference is, when we graduated we all went to work for firms that had legit copies of the software. Not many people have hobby architecture studios.
I cant tell you exactly what but they always manage to fuck up in some sort of way. So they are not reliable...how would you like to work on a project for a month and then have your free software malfunction in some way making you lose all of your work...Just use these free downloads to check out which software is best for you then buy the one you like. You'll have the peice of mind to know that when the official software fucks up...atleast everyone else has the same problems
If waves and all the native plugin manufacturers are so mad that people pirate their software then why didnt they release their software to operate via firewire or USB to a separate DSP? or separate DSP cards like UAD? Or like the Eventide H8000FW - can be used native on a stream. Why would they bitch when they know they will be out of 2/3rds potential profits from the use of crack ones? (because most crack users do not even answer such poll questions as posted here out of fear). My buddy today is celebrating at his free Waves 8 bundle he got by a pro crack team. Personally, i don't have any interest in the offer - not because i wouldn't - but because of the following:
I find this subject laughable when there are key companies such as Access Virus - who has their signature synth engine uncrackable and which nobody can reverse engineer - because it runs on its own OS on its own hardware and has such bigger and thicker sound then all the plug-in synthesizers! ( with 16 different parts possible even in Native VST or RTAS streaming mode over USB 2. Now thats a smart company that deserves to make money with their digital software synthesizer! And it also sounds better too - 2 grand and yes I paid the money because its warm sound character worth every penny.
There are many other examples - but UAD is the best example. Also Eventide. And I own all of the so far 3 mentioned hardware products (and the laptop dongle). - because there is always something that can be said for a good piece of hardware - which waves (if it would have expected happiness in the free market - then it should have built either dsp cards or seperate dsp hardware machines as their main platform to only stream with PCs for these native plug-ins via firewire (in addition to maintaining TDM stuff which is probabily not cracked since its such a high end premium rare share of the market... And Access Virus has also done this with Virus Indigo TDM).
But another word on dedicated hardware is that it probabily runs superior software algorithms too. At least in the Eventide H8000 and definetly in the Access Virus - items which to me have much of a higher end sonic signature on the audio they generate or process than soft-plug-ins and instruments. (another reason people tend to show alot of disregard for paying for plug-ins - and i don't blame them - they are overpriced, do not sound too close to the original hardware they attempt to model, more error prone than dedicated hardware dsp, error/bug support with these companies is pathetic, and the list goes on. Is there any wonder why theres cracks for all this left right and center?
With these dedicated hardware examples, I have been much happier with the quality of my audio than I ever have been with paid plug-ins, and also with the UAD card.
I find this subject laughable when there are key companies such as Access Virus - who has their signature synth engine uncrackable and which nobody can reverse engineer - because it runs on its own OS on its own hardware and has such bigger and thicker sound then all the plug-in synthesizers! ( with 16 different parts possible even in Native VST or RTAS streaming mode over USB 2. Now thats a smart company that deserves to make money with their digital software synthesizer! And it also sounds better too - 2 grand and yes I paid the money because its warm sound character worth every penny.
There are many other examples - but UAD is the best example. Also Eventide. And I own all of the so far 3 mentioned hardware products (and the laptop dongle). - because there is always something that can be said for a good piece of hardware - which waves (if it would have expected happiness in the free market - then it should have built either dsp cards or seperate dsp hardware machines as their main platform to only stream with PCs for these native plug-ins via firewire (in addition to maintaining TDM stuff which is probabily not cracked since its such a high end premium rare share of the market... And Access Virus has also done this with Virus Indigo TDM).
But another word on dedicated hardware is that it probabily runs superior software algorithms too. At least in the Eventide H8000 and definetly in the Access Virus - items which to me have much of a higher end sonic signature on the audio they generate or process than soft-plug-ins and instruments. (another reason people tend to show alot of disregard for paying for plug-ins - and i don't blame them - they are overpriced, do not sound too close to the original hardware they attempt to model, more error prone than dedicated hardware dsp, error/bug support with these companies is pathetic, and the list goes on. Is there any wonder why theres cracks for all this left right and center?
With these dedicated hardware examples, I have been much happier with the quality of my audio than I ever have been with paid plug-ins, and also with the UAD card.
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I bought Cakewalk V2 many, many years ago. I've upgraded it every 2-3 versions (I'm not a pro, this is for fun). Switched it to Sonar Pro and when I went to upgrade it this last time I couldn't because I was running Win XP64 and the didn't support it. Thank God For Reaper. For 1/3 the price of an upgrade, I get a full featured, well supported, easy to use program, that seems to do everything I need plus more. Absolutely worth it!
Since I have sold software in the past, I'm against bootlegging software. I pay for the shareware I use and I look for free things when I can find them. But If I want it and plan to use it, I pay for it.
Mike
Since I have sold software in the past, I'm against bootlegging software. I pay for the shareware I use and I look for free things when I can find them. But If I want it and plan to use it, I pay for it.
Mike
thundercage
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I support legitimate software for the following reasons:
1. You don't need to worry about getting hit with a $250,000 piracy fine.
2. If you have a problem, tech support will help you.
3. You are supporting the maker of the software, updates, and bug fixes.
4. Usually upgrading is drastically cheaper making it easier to remain legitimate.
Case in point:
Bought an Aardvark Direct Pro Q10 (Cakewalk 9 Pro Audio included ($799)
Upgraded to Sonar 2.0 ($99)
Upgraded to Sonar 6 Studio ($99)
Upgraded to Sonar 8.5 Producer ($99)
1. You don't need to worry about getting hit with a $250,000 piracy fine.
2. If you have a problem, tech support will help you.
3. You are supporting the maker of the software, updates, and bug fixes.
4. Usually upgrading is drastically cheaper making it easier to remain legitimate.
Case in point:
Bought an Aardvark Direct Pro Q10 (Cakewalk 9 Pro Audio included ($799)
Upgraded to Sonar 2.0 ($99)
Upgraded to Sonar 6 Studio ($99)
Upgraded to Sonar 8.5 Producer ($99)
therealfactor
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Because the software is so expensive, I personally see no issue in illegally downloading different softwares (if 30 day free trials aren't available that is) to decide which one you like most. But this really shouldn't take long to get an idea of what you like and be able to make an informed decision.
And anymore, with guitar centers popping up all over the place, you can just go there to try them out. Regardless of how you try them, the end result should always be to purchase the software. It helps you and the company.
I'm having issues with my computer and my ai working together and it's a weight off my shoulders to know it isn't abletons fault!
Also, Imagine that you write and record a hit song that gets put on local radio. Do you have any idea how hard a software company can screw you if they find out you were profiting on a version of THEIR product that you DIDN'T pay for? Whew! Not worth it!
Play the illegal download game for a month or so to find what you like, nothing wrong with that. But don't distribute any of your work from it, and when you find what you like go buy it. It's just not fair not to. After all, you'd be pissed if you record a hit song on your free software, but then people turn around and illegally download it and you make NOTHING! And you can't even say that "well the software companies are rich!", because any money they do make is from honest people that actually pay, not illegal down loaders. there's nothing wrong with a corporation making money --that's it's purpose and goal in order to progress and develop better products --help the cause you bastards!
And anymore, with guitar centers popping up all over the place, you can just go there to try them out. Regardless of how you try them, the end result should always be to purchase the software. It helps you and the company.
I'm having issues with my computer and my ai working together and it's a weight off my shoulders to know it isn't abletons fault!
Also, Imagine that you write and record a hit song that gets put on local radio. Do you have any idea how hard a software company can screw you if they find out you were profiting on a version of THEIR product that you DIDN'T pay for? Whew! Not worth it!
Play the illegal download game for a month or so to find what you like, nothing wrong with that. But don't distribute any of your work from it, and when you find what you like go buy it. It's just not fair not to. After all, you'd be pissed if you record a hit song on your free software, but then people turn around and illegally download it and you make NOTHING! And you can't even say that "well the software companies are rich!", because any money they do make is from honest people that actually pay, not illegal down loaders. there's nothing wrong with a corporation making money --that's it's purpose and goal in order to progress and develop better products --help the cause you bastards!
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