Tascam M-___ Story...

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Muck, that's funny. You might think so, but actually we are not related, and though that might surprise some I'll point out a small difference in our activities:

Mr. Neve broadly effected/effects audio technology and audio history with his technical creations. I, on the other hand, entertain a rag-tag bunch of really cool people while dangerously pushing the absolute limits of my technical knowledge and abilities as I dicker with somebody else's technical creation...small difference, but there nonetheless. :D
 
You must have nerves of steel!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

And here I thought taking the bottom pans off my M3700 was scary! You are one brave mutha:D Guess I'll start a thread about the automation on mine:rolleyes: Maybe someone can clue me in to some info.:confused:

Anyway, good luck wih your project sweetbeats:)
 
You are one brave mutha

Hehhehhe...there is a very fine line between bravery and stupidity...:D

So when is the official smoke check?

Dunno AK...really busy week, but I've done the pre smoke check:

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I did what I indicated I planned on doing...

  • inspected the motherboard traces and solder joints with a reading glass and good light...there are some scratches in some spots since the mixer has been missing some of its bottom cover for who knows how long, but none of the scratches go through any traces; down to the copper in a couple spots though. Found a couple stray solder blobs from the the heavy soldering that was done to weld the 0V wire braids to the pads so I got those off.
  • Inspected the card slots, again with a reading glass and good light. Overall they look really clean...this further reinforces my idea that, though the mixer looks abused and dirty, that is more from poor storage and handling...I don't think it has been operated much. Anyway, like I said, the slots looked pretty clean...A tiny bit of shiny dust in each so I blew that out with compressed air.
  • Tested resistance between each rail circuit and ground/each 0V rail to make sure there was no shorting and all looked good.
  • Connected the power umbilical up to the PSU and made sure that each pin was outputting the right thing and that looked good.
  • Finally, hooked the whole mess up to the empty frame and hit "POWER". No smoke, no drama at all. I sense this thing wants to work.
  • Tested each rail at each slot to confirm everything is getting to where its supposed to go. Again, all looks good.

Next step is indeed to take a channel strip, plug it in and hit the power button. I will use dementedchord's "Idiot Light", which I did for this last test and it is nifty. The light bulb lights for a split second when I first turn on the PSU and then goes dark. I watch that to make sure it stays dark. If it lights I know there's trouble and I also know that, by virtue of the bulb lighting, that it is taking the hit...very nifty indeed.

Assuming that the channel strip test comes out okay (i.e. no smoke or fire), there are some things I'm really curious about, mainly the eq. I'm curious if the hi and low swept bands are shelving or peaking. To test that I'll run pink noise into one of the line inputs and then feed the direct out to an analyzer. I know there is some way to look at the components in the signal path to see if it is shelving or peaking, but that is beyond me

Also really curious about some of the monitor routing and mute and solo functions since there's like 6 different mute/solo buttons...also the whole REMOTE buss thingy, but that's all going to have to wait until I get the Control Module put back together. Again, the REMOTE thingy...if that does what I think it does, it is super cool...it would instantly turn any channel strip into a group fader for any or all mic, line1, line2 inputs. Why is that important? Well, obviously the mixer has only 12 channel strips, but at the push of a switch one strip can become a group master for, say, tape returns. You'd have to mix with the trim knobs, but still it gives you single-strip control of those inputs, and you can access any two input types at a time since there are two REMOTE busses, A & B.

Okay, okay. One thing at a time...need to see if even one strip works first. Yeah.
 
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Seeing as how it's been 21 hours since your last post, you're either

1. So excited about your success that you have forgotten to post what happened.
2. So bummed from a failure that you've refused to tell us what's happened.
3. Suffering from an internet connectivity issue and/or power outage
4. Severely distracted by something that's immensely more important than the ultimate power-up test
5. Dead from natural causes
6. Dead due to electrocution

Don't keep us hanging, my friend :confused:
 
lol you forgot:


7. STILL trying to explain to your wife, neighbors, police department, fire department and insurance comapany how you managed to (insert description of horrific disaster here)




AK
 
lol you forgot:


7. STILL trying to explain to your wife, neighbors, police department, fire department and insurance comapany how you managed to (insert description of horrific disaster here)




AK


"Officer, I SWEAR! The Grateful Dead gave it to me to talk to Jerry Garcia's spirit through one of the channel strips!"
 
Hehhehhehh... :D

Muck, it's reason #4 for sure...definitely not #1 or #2...I typically can't wait to post updates to any of my threads regardless of good bad or ugly news...frying my Tascam 58 is a good example of not hiding the truly ugly. :o

Anyway, the "immensely more important" thing: my eldest of 4 children turns 11 today...he's the one that made the journey to Cali and back to get the mixer. Family get together tonight and then he has a bunch of friends coming over Saturday to celebrate. My wife came up with the party theme...garage band party...I've been working nights out in the garage this week constructing a 6' x 8' iso booth out of solid core doors that I salvaged a few years ago. It will be used for the drums and bass (direct) and then we layed a patch of carpet outside the booth for the keys, vox and 6-string guitars. We'll have fun letting them play and swap instruments and I'll man the recording station. I'm keeping it relatively simple recording-wise so we can focus on fun, and I'll have a couple effects engines going, plus my LP knockoff electric guitar is going through a Digitech GNX2 so there will be all sorts of fun guitar effects, and I'll have fun making the vocalists sound like girls or robots or Jabba The Hut or whatever...so that's what I've been up to this week.

I'm probably going to post up something over on the studio construction forum abaout this; about the iso booth. I have no acoustic damping in there right now, so it is all hard-surface, but the doors are heavy so I've got mass, and I tried to get the room dimensions as close as I could so a desirable ratio, but the low register reverberation and low-mid flutter echo is shockingly present...I can stand in a corner and hum a tone around 100Hz and it gets boosted in the room by at least 6dB...I was hoping to use it after the party as a better micro-mixing room as the space I use now has an even smaller footprint and only 5' ceilings. :D:D Sounds ridiculous I know, but you gotta use what ya got. Anyway, I think it'll be cool for drums for a certain sound because of the low-end boost and the echo is so dense that it actually sounds like a very big room in there...kind of small cave-like. The drums are gonna wash big-time. Planning on just putting a kick mic up and a single LDC set to omni.

I'll put up some pictures at some point.

Back on-topic, I want my kids to be involved in the smoke test. They're all interested, especially my oldest, so that's been another limiting factor to doing the test since things are so busy during the week in the evenings.

Hang in there, folks! :p;)
 
Hmmm...

You know how as you learn about stuff your focus changes and you go back and look at stuff you've already looked at with a new set of eyes?

Well, since I've been getting into this opamp upgrade stuff I looked closer at the opamps on the channel strip card set and for the first time looked at it in terms of the number of opamps...there are 7 IC's on the M-520 channel strip (I've been doing some upgrades to some of them so that is my reference point...), and 19 on the M-___ channel strip. :eek: Now, granted, this is a true inline mixer so to compare apples to apples you'd need to look at the M-520 buss and monitor sections which are centralized rather than being inline (i.e. on the channel strip), but still, I think the M-___ has about double the opamps in it. Don't know whether that is good or bad. S'pose it depends on your point of view, but from a noise and distortion standpoint, or from a financial standpoint of yer lookin' to upgrade, it stinks.
 
Hrm......that's interesting.

Noise is never a good thing in a mixer, but perhaps if there's any noticeable distortion, the distortion will add a GOOD color to the sound, if anything.........

Looking forward to the smoke test!
 
Noise is never a good thing in a mixer, but perhaps if there's any noticeable distortion, the distortion will add a GOOD color to the sound, if anything.........

I think I'm correct when I say that you're not going to get warm third-order harmonic distortion out of an opamp like you do off tape...plus I'm not talking about drive distortion, but just the inherent distortion in the opamp and the cumulative effect of that after it goes through a dozen TL072's...we'll see. ;)

To update you on the "half-time show", here's the iso booth I was talking about...I got all the materials free through salvage efforts except for about $20 of lumber:
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Here's a shot through the door to the interior:
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I was pleasantly surprised when I tried the drums out this morning for the first time...they sound incredible. Plus the garage has a great medium room reverb in it...wondering what it might sound like to mic the kit inside the booth with a minimalist approach (one overhead and one kick) and then mic the garage with, like, an M+S mic array...could be cool...but anyway, the drums sound rich and smooth in the room and the voices are much more distinct than I thought they'd be with how the room was behaving prior to bringing the kit in...and the noise attenuation? I'm also pleased. Subjectively the attenuation outside the booth when the booth door is closed is similar to putting foam earplugs in when inside the booth. When I play, the sound pressure level at the kit is about 100 ~ 110dB. Its a ranch-style home with the bedrooms all at the opposite end of the house from the garage and you can't even hear the drums at that end of the house. :)

Our house is small...Its sad but my drums only come out maybe 1 ~ 2 times per year and its been that way for 20 years (since I was last in a place where I had drums that could be setup and left setup in a climate controlled environment and played at a regular volume level)...I'm excited...can you tell?

Kudos to my lovely wife who spent hours getting this thing setup with me and getting it positioned. :)
 
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Oh my

Wow!!! You have what we like to call a "can do" attitude!

Congratulations :)
 
As the orange smoke slowly floats away the magician smiles to himself and says

Behold it lives!
 
WELL DONE MR BEATS !!!!!

right about now i`d be opening a cold one ;) ...
 
Awesome work man! That Iso booth will make so many things SO much easier!



AK
 
It's alive! It's aliiive!!

Well done Cory, well done. :D
 

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Wow!

cjacek said:
It's alive! It's aliiive!!
Hah, beat me to it!:eek:;)

Hey Beatz,...
Very, very impressive! You're the Man!
Now you can sell it back to shoulderpain for his DAW!:eek:;)
Tell him you conjured the spirit of Jerry Garcia on it!:eek::eek:;)

No, j/k. I'm seriously impressed!
Next, I have about 3 dozen fixit projects for you in my closet!
Now I'm not kidding!:eek::eek::eek:;)
 
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