Under The Hood - Inside the Marshall V67G and the Studio Projects C1

[alanhyatt]

C7sus,

I understand your comments, and all I can say is the world has changed. Without getting into the politics of that statement, as that is a debate that can not be won, lets just say while you would be willing to pay more, the general market is not, so that is why I do it.

The Joemeek is built in England, but the VC3Q is built in China, so it seems that everything we buy is from a Global market. On a good note, the Studio Projects electronics line will be built in the USA.

 

[alanhyatt]

MrZekeMan


I will take that into consideration, although Harvey has the mics already.

 

[alanhyatt]

Tom Cram

Your right, I admit that, but I am working on three new model designs right now, and as a small team here, we just cant get everything done at once, but your point is duly noted.

I thought Harvey was sending you the mics. I think he is waiting for the second C1 first, but let me know when you get them. More opinions are always needed...good, or bad!

 

[Tom Cram]

Yup,

He mentioned he wanted me to test the tube one (T3?). I'm looking forward to it. It's perfect timing, I'm right in the middle of 3 different bands vocals sessions. I'll be putting it right next to an AKG C12VR, MXL V67, AKG SolidTube, Neumann U87, RCA BK11a, AKG C414BULS, and an AKG C3000. A good mix of high and low brow mics eh?

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com

 

[alanhyatt]

Dolemite,

Sorry you feel that way, but I am telling the truth. I did make one mistake though. The MXL2001, and V67 are not made by 797 Audio.

The MXL2001, and V67 are in fact made in a factory in South China, which was set up with some assistance by the then "State Run" 797 Audio back in 1970. The only models made by 797 Audio now are the MXL 2003, and the MXL V77. I am sorry for the bad information I mentioned before. I apologize. I guess Brent Casey should have told Harvey that when I first mentioned it to straighten me out.

As for what I have to loose by selling direct...that would be my dealers, so with all due respect, I will not do that, even if it means 100 sales.

If you like the V67, then by all means you should buy it. I am not here to change your mind, and I have never said anything bad about it, other than telling the truth of it being an off the shelf design and where it is made. What I did not know, was that it is a very old design from a long time ago. Not that that really matters, as I think if it sounds good, then it's good.

I suggest you hop on over to my dealer page at:
www.studioprojectsusa.com/spdealerpage.html
You should shop around a bit. Besides, the C1 is worth it!

 

[Hard2Hear]

c7 is just a politician at heart. Just tell him to either run for office or shut the hell up!

This is great info guys. I personally own only AT, AKG, and Sure mics, oh and 1 Apex430...but this is good stuff to know if I think about purchasing something different.

H2H

 

[alanhyatt]

Tom Cram


Wow, sounds like the T3 will be right at home with all of those nice friends. I can't wait until you start. Now remember, the T3 is only $799.99 on the street, so be nice!

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally posted by alanhyatt

Dolemite,

Sorry you feel that way, but I am telling the truth. I did make one mistake though. The MXL2001, and V67 are not made by 797 Audio.

The MXL2001, and V67 are in fact made in a factory in South China, which was set up with some assistance by the then "State Run" 797 Audio back in 1970. The only models made by 797 Audio now are the MXL 2003, and the MXL V77. I am sorry for the bad information I mentioned before. I apologize. I guess Brent Casey should have told Harvey that when I first mentioned it to straighten me out.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Unless Brent Casey reads some of these posts, I doubt if he even knows I'm looking at your mics, Alan. I haven't talked to Brent Casey in a while, and then only to find out if he sent some mics to Al Schmitt to look at. That was the bulk of our conversation about a month ago.

If you like the V67, then by all means you should buy it. I am not here to change your mind, and I have never said anything bad about it, other than telling the truth of it being an off the shelf design and where it is made. What I did not know, was that it is a very old design from a long time ago. Not that that really matters, as I think if it sounds good, then it's good.

But it's not "off the shelf", as delivered to Marshall. They have made some significant sonic changes to it and that's what everybody is trying to point out. As far as it being an old design, you're probably right, but then, so is a Neumann U-47.

The "net" is a wonderful medium, but it lacks the face to face directness of in person talks, or even the voice inflections that occur in telephone conversation. Sometimes a simple comment can take on a whole new confrontational direction. I think that's what happened here.

You have a great line of mics from everything I've seen so far, Alan. Let some of the people here tout it for you. Some of your statements come off sounding confrontational, which I know is not your intent, or your style.

(I've talked to Alan several times on the phone and he's a great guy who's passionate about his products.)

Believe it or not, Alan, everyone here is rooting for you - they really want this to be a great product, as do I. We need more people like you in this industry, but you might wanna just lurk for a while until you get a little more familiar with how some of these groups work.

 

[alanhyatt]

Hey Harvey,

I understand what you are saying Harvey, but I never dismissed the Marshall as not sounding good. I think it was Dolemite that had the problem with what I said. It seems most of the others got my drift.

I did not, and I know you do not think I meant any harm, as I did not. I guess I like to tell it like it is, and being a native New Yorker, I guess I should have said it is an improved off the shelf mic. I guess thats why I get along with Fletcher at Mercenary Audio so well.

If you feel I should stay off this group, and others feel that way, then by all means, I am outta here. I do not want to piss off anyone, but I like telling the truth, good or bad, even if it is against my own products, as I did when telling C7SUS that the Joemeek VC3Q is made in China.

I am happy to let others tout it for me, but I did not think I ever said anything about my mics personally, as I know better to keep those opinions to myself.

Anyway, I understand what your trying to say, so I will bug off this group. Those interested in contacting me can do so via email at alan@pmiaudio.com.

Nice talking with you all!

 

[Tom Cram]

Whoa alan,

Harvey's not asking you to leave, he's asking you to chill. We're all quite skeptical of the New Breed of Chinese mics. We're barely able to choke down the fact that some even sound good. You are coming across a little like a missionary, so Harvey's asking you to tone it down a notch. Spinning every post isn't necessary compadre

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com

 

[Harvey Gerst]

Originally posted by alanhyatt

Hey Harvey,

I guess I should have said it is an improved off the shelf mic.

That woulda worked far better.

If you feel I should stay off this group, and others feel that way, then by all means, I am outta here. I do not want to piss off anyone, but I like telling the truth, good or bad, even if it is against my own products, as I did when telling C7SUS that the Joemeek VC3Q is made in China.

And that's great information.

Anyway, I understand what your trying to say, so I will bug off this group. Those interested in contacting me can do so via email at alan@pmiaudio.com.

Nice talking with you all!

See how screwed up net communications can get. Alan, "lurk" means to stick around and see how business is conducted in a forum. It DOES NOT mean to "bug off". Your input is very valuable to this group. The idea that you should leave was never my intention - just try lurking for a little bit to understand how some of these groups interact. It's very different than being on the floor of the AES show or NAMM.

 

[Prism]

Obviously a big misunderstanding... actually I was thrilled out of my mind when Alan joined the board... we need more guys like him! Stick around!

Isaiah

 

[JerryD]

Howdy all.

Misunderstanding here????

Let's not fight.

C7SUS,

I'm with you. They will just use the money we buy the mics with to buy nukes to blow up places like NY and California. Wait a sec.......on second thought.....Give me a couple hundred of those Chinese mics. Hell I'll put my lawn chair out in the "Front yard" and watch the show. You think they have nukes pointed at Tifton, GA. Nope! cause there is nothing here.

Oh yeah check out my site. www.recording.s5.com

 

[Chris F]

Obviously a big misunderstanding... actually I was thrilled out of my mind when Alan joined the board... we need more guys like him! Stick around!

Isaiah

Ditto. Alan's input is most welcome as far as I'm concerned.

And as far as BBS etiquette is concerned, the first time I joined one, I got to joking around - deadpan style, which runs in the family - with one of the mods who didn't get the joke and got FLAAAAAAAAMMMMMMED for my troubles. It happens. No Biggie. Hell, alan knows a hell of a lot more about BBs's than I know about mics.

Peace everybody.

 

[tubedude]

Hmmm...

Lets allow what this post is about to be the topic, and take all of your trash elsewhere. Alan is welcome to stay, as is everyone, and is a needed part of this BBS.
C7sus... lets not get into calling each others stuff dull and lifeless, we're all mostly amatuers here, for a reason... that includes you and I. While we're not all getting huge pro recordgins, some of us are getting real real close, including myself. Lets encourage each other, not degrade! That kind of talk can be hurtful at best. You two need to get a room or fire shots via email.

Back to the topic at hand...
Is the C3 the same mic, basically, with options? What about the tube one? Same mic with built in preamp?
Keep it rolling, I'm learning stuff here....
Thanks,
Paul

 

[tubedude]

by the way...

Harvey got his ass kicked here when he 1st showed up too... he thought everyone hated him, and was gonna leave for good... we convinced him to stay, and now hes one of the most respected fellas around here.
Think, people, how many other good resources decided NOT to stay because of people that "know more" and can't let an unfamiliar face teach them anything.... we DO NOT want to run off anyone else. Harvey staying was luck. When Roger Nichols shows up with a fake name and gets flamed by people that don;t even own a microphone and leaves, well... that would be a shame. I'm willing to bet similar things have happened before.
Peace, and chill out people! Take your aggressions out in the sack at night.
Paul

 

[MrZekeMan]

The really incredible thing about these BBS groups is that people of all different skill levels, from my level on up to those that are getting "real real close" to pro recordings, as stated by TubeDude, have access to the experience of real Pros. Also , it really amazes me that end users can have access to ones that are behind these products that we are discussing. This is an excellent example of that.

I've been on some other groups as well, and have been amazed at the input from some of the reps from Roland about the new 2480. They have really kept everyone well informed about what is in store in the future upgrades for the machine. It provides a powerful influence toward feeling satisfied with your purchase, just knowing they will be there if you have a question.

Zeke

p.s. TubeDude. I listened to your recording and I agree that you are very very close.... nice stuff

 

[alanhyatt]

Ok, I'm back, but only if someone will tell me how to get expert member under my name instead of Newbie! I hate Newbe!

Before I go further, I tend to want to tell the truth, if that pisses any of you off or offends you into thinking something else than what I meant, I can't help it.

I do not knock products down, and I do not hype mine up. Do not come looking for me to bone up and give opinions on this group, because as soon as I do, someone will be jumping down my throat. If you want my opinion that bad, email me, and if you do, the private conversation we have better not show up on these pages.

And c7sus...what do want me to tell you? If you want to know about gear, ask me. If you want to know about why the earth is round...ask Mr. Jeeves.

Well I guess I will get trashed for that remark, but in either case. I am back and I will answer your gear realated questions if you want me to.

 

[JerryD]

Welcome back

Welcome back Alan. This place gets rough on every one. One thing I like about this place is people are not agreeable. The discussions are more interesting as long as it doesn't get too personal. Believe me everyone has an opinion here.

When Harvey said "Lurk" he means just hang out and get a feel for the place and then post.

I personally value opinions from the pros like you and Harvey.

I think everyone here values professional views.

I found that around here everyone takes everything personally. I think it has something to do with being musicians and being locked in a sound proof room for too long.

Next time your offended just do like everyone else and say
screw off. I have found that no one here holds grudges long because they need the information you have to offer.

Thanks for hanging out with us.

,Jerry

 

[MrZekeMan]

Alan,

I've read several user reviews that compared your mic favorably to the U87. One guy said it was identical in proximity effect to the U87.

Did you use the U87 as a reference standard when designing your mic?

Is that a question that is answerable, or one better left unanswered? Just curious as to what lead you down the road to designing this mic.

Zeke