JerryD
New member
Very cool
Thanks Alan.
Harvey,
Let us know about that consistency.
Thanks again.
Thanks Alan.
Harvey,
Let us know about that consistency.
Thanks again.
Under The Hood - Inside the Marshall V67G and the Studio Projects C1
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Dolemite,
First of all, it is my pleasure to be on this group, and I am happy to answer some of your questions, but when it comes to suggestions on product and its use, its kind of like me getting into your car, adjusting the seat, mirrors, and steering wheel, and then saying...Yep, that's it, that will do you just fine! So I prefer to say a bit in the background, despite my years of experience.
As for on line retailers, I have not posted anyone’s email or web addresses yet, as I favor no retailer. We are only a few months old, and it takes time to establish a line, so we are taking it slow. All the dealers listed on our web site are at: http://www.studioprojectsusa.com/spdealerpage.html
They all should have stock, and many of them are on line, I just do not have all the addresses yet. Until I do, I will not put them on, as I want to be fair to all of them.
RODE mics buy capsules and many of their parts from 797 Audio...surprise, surprise! They assemble these parts down under. I like RODE, and think they make good product. As with all brands, opinions on RODE will vary. I am just glad opinions have been very favorable to date on the Studio Projects mics.
I prefer not to reveal all, as I do not want to be looking over my shoulder, but there are only a couple of Chinese manufacturers that can build these things, so you may be surprised at who is really Chinese made, but we hide nothing. Even EveAnna Manley uses a Chinese cap on one of her microphones!
Before I forget, I want to thank all the reviewers, which includes Harvey Gerst, JD MARS, Dan Richards, Rip Rowen, Pete Leoni, Ted Perlman, Randy Harmon, and more... we are selling tons of mics. Sorry to ramble on...and thanks to all the users who have been so kind by stepping up to the plate and making such bold statements...I like it!
I hope I answered some of your questions Dolemite.
First of all, it is my pleasure to be on this group, and I am happy to answer some of your questions, but when it comes to suggestions on product and its use, its kind of like me getting into your car, adjusting the seat, mirrors, and steering wheel, and then saying...Yep, that's it, that will do you just fine! So I prefer to say a bit in the background, despite my years of experience.
As for on line retailers, I have not posted anyone’s email or web addresses yet, as I favor no retailer. We are only a few months old, and it takes time to establish a line, so we are taking it slow. All the dealers listed on our web site are at: http://www.studioprojectsusa.com/spdealerpage.html
They all should have stock, and many of them are on line, I just do not have all the addresses yet. Until I do, I will not put them on, as I want to be fair to all of them.
RODE mics buy capsules and many of their parts from 797 Audio...surprise, surprise! They assemble these parts down under. I like RODE, and think they make good product. As with all brands, opinions on RODE will vary. I am just glad opinions have been very favorable to date on the Studio Projects mics.
I prefer not to reveal all, as I do not want to be looking over my shoulder, but there are only a couple of Chinese manufacturers that can build these things, so you may be surprised at who is really Chinese made, but we hide nothing. Even EveAnna Manley uses a Chinese cap on one of her microphones!
Before I forget, I want to thank all the reviewers, which includes Harvey Gerst, JD MARS, Dan Richards, Rip Rowen, Pete Leoni, Ted Perlman, Randy Harmon, and more... we are selling tons of mics. Sorry to ramble on...and thanks to all the users who have been so kind by stepping up to the plate and making such bold statements...I like it!
I hope I answered some of your questions Dolemite.
JerryD
New member
Hmmm...
Alan,
You wouldn't happen to know the model numbers would you?
Alan,
You wouldn't happen to know the model numbers would you?
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Jerry D,
Basically, the same mic is the ADK A-51, the Joemeek JM47 "UK" Version, The SE Electronics, I am not sure what the model is but they are new. SoundKing makes many models just like it, and I think Audix as well, but there are so many, I just don't pay much attention any more.
Hey, there is nothing wrong with doing this. All these mics sound pretty good. The one thing I was discussing with Harvey Gerst this morning was all these brands that keep popping up sound pretty good and can't be ignored.
If you want, we can make Jerry D mics. Just give me 50K, pick one out of any Chinese mic catalog, and they will put your name on it. You bet it will be good, but it will be just like a lot of other mics.
That's why I did Studio Projects. It took a year and a half, and a lot of convincing. I had to get all the guys at 797 hammered to do what I want. Most of the Chinese manufacturers, just want to build from an off the shelf model they already have, and just change the case and put any name you want on it.
I just wanted to be different!
Basically, the same mic is the ADK A-51, the Joemeek JM47 "UK" Version, The SE Electronics, I am not sure what the model is but they are new. SoundKing makes many models just like it, and I think Audix as well, but there are so many, I just don't pay much attention any more.
Hey, there is nothing wrong with doing this. All these mics sound pretty good. The one thing I was discussing with Harvey Gerst this morning was all these brands that keep popping up sound pretty good and can't be ignored.
If you want, we can make Jerry D mics. Just give me 50K, pick one out of any Chinese mic catalog, and they will put your name on it. You bet it will be good, but it will be just like a lot of other mics.
That's why I did Studio Projects. It took a year and a half, and a lot of convincing. I had to get all the guys at 797 hammered to do what I want. Most of the Chinese manufacturers, just want to build from an off the shelf model they already have, and just change the case and put any name you want on it.
I just wanted to be different!
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Harvey Gerst
New member
Re: Hmmm...
Let me clarify this a little bit. According to Brent Casey at Marshall, the V67 IS basically a standard 797 model, but Brent made some significant changes; mainly specing a new output transformer that eliminates a ringing problem in the standard model, and which also provides smoother response. He also changed out the JFETS and some other components to lower the noise level significantly from the standard model.
JerryD said:
Let me clarify this a little bit. According to Brent Casey at Marshall, the V67 IS basically a standard 797 model, but Brent made some significant changes; mainly specing a new output transformer that eliminates a ringing problem in the standard model, and which also provides smoother response. He also changed out the JFETS and some other components to lower the noise level significantly from the standard model.
Dolemite
New member
Re: Re: Hmmm...
Thanks for clarifying, Harvey.
No offense Mr. Hyatt, but I knew there was more to the Marshall line than you implied by saying that the MXL-V67 was an "off the shelf 797 design" and the "exact same design" that is used in many other brands. I don't think you meant that to be misleading but I think you'll find that a lot of us "homerec-ers" are pretty well-informed and we won't let you get away with such innaccuracies
BTW, would you care to comment on your choice of a transformerless design for the C1 and how this affects the sound? Also, how does this relate to preamp selection?
Thanks again for taking the time to help us out here.
Harvey Gerst said:
Thanks for clarifying, Harvey.
No offense Mr. Hyatt, but I knew there was more to the Marshall line than you implied by saying that the MXL-V67 was an "off the shelf 797 design" and the "exact same design" that is used in many other brands. I don't think you meant that to be misleading but I think you'll find that a lot of us "homerec-ers" are pretty well-informed and we won't let you get away with such innaccuracies
BTW, would you care to comment on your choice of a transformerless design for the C1 and how this affects the sound? Also, how does this relate to preamp selection?
Thanks again for taking the time to help us out here.
tubedude
New member
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Mr. Hyatt,
How strange you should pop up tonight, I was reading an issue of EQ and there was a "new stuff at NAMM" listing, and one of the pieces was the Studio Projects VTP-1. I made a mental note to look it up when I got home from work, and there you are, complete with link and all!
Give me the entire lowdown on this preamp, the circuitry and signal path, what its based after (if anything) etc etc etc. Also, it would do us all a huge favor if you send a lender to Harvey and Sonusman or Sjoko2 for them to try out. These guys can sell equipment when they like it. I'm certainly interested in how they feel about mics and pre's.
Also, someone mentioned your logo was a TAD plain... I second that comment!
Thanks a ton,
Paul
VTP-1
Mr. Hyatt,
How strange you should pop up tonight, I was reading an issue of EQ and there was a "new stuff at NAMM" listing, and one of the pieces was the Studio Projects VTP-1. I made a mental note to look it up when I got home from work, and there you are, complete with link and all!
Give me the entire lowdown on this preamp, the circuitry and signal path, what its based after (if anything) etc etc etc. Also, it would do us all a huge favor if you send a lender to Harvey and Sonusman or Sjoko2 for them to try out. These guys can sell equipment when they like it. I'm certainly interested in how they feel about mics and pre's.
Also, someone mentioned your logo was a TAD plain... I second that comment!
Thanks a ton,
Paul
VTP-1
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Dolemite,
No offense taken! The fact is, it is a standard off the shelf mic, and I was not passing off any bad information. The update to the transformer, and FETS has just recently happened as I was just told, but the mic is still based on a standard off the shelf mic.
Please understand, I am not knocking Marshall, or any other brand that uses the design, but it is a standard mic design with two recent improvements. I applaud them for improving the mic, and think the mic is good, but I rest my case that it is still an off the shelf mic.
Believe me, it is hard to keep up with everything, but you might find it interesting to get some good inside photos of the MXL2000 and the 2001, and then check them against the V67 for similar design.
I do think you all are pretty well informed, and for that reason alone, I would not come to this group and tell lies! To keep more informed, check the insides of the 2000, the 2001, and then the V67, I think you will be in for a surprise! If I am wrong, then I owe you an apology.
No offense taken! The fact is, it is a standard off the shelf mic, and I was not passing off any bad information. The update to the transformer, and FETS has just recently happened as I was just told, but the mic is still based on a standard off the shelf mic.
Please understand, I am not knocking Marshall, or any other brand that uses the design, but it is a standard mic design with two recent improvements. I applaud them for improving the mic, and think the mic is good, but I rest my case that it is still an off the shelf mic.
Believe me, it is hard to keep up with everything, but you might find it interesting to get some good inside photos of the MXL2000 and the 2001, and then check them against the V67 for similar design.
I do think you all are pretty well informed, and for that reason alone, I would not come to this group and tell lies! To keep more informed, check the insides of the 2000, the 2001, and then the V67, I think you will be in for a surprise! If I am wrong, then I owe you an apology.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Tubedude,
I agree, the logo is pretty plain, but we never claimed to be perfect.
Getting on to the VT-1. It is pretty killer, if I do say so myself, and you can be sure Harvey and others will get them first, so you can hear what they say.
Again, I make no claims and comparisons, as it would only lead to my getting bashed for bragging, so I try to keep my foot out of my mouth as much as I can. You have a pretty good guy in Harvey Gerst, and I respect his opinions, so I will leave any bragging or cool claims to him, as long as he feels the product deserves it.
Studio Projects will be bringing many products to the marketplace with the same philosophy as the mics. We will provide high quality, well built products that compete with much more expensive products, and provide them at a very low cost.
I agree, the logo is pretty plain, but we never claimed to be perfect.
Getting on to the VT-1. It is pretty killer, if I do say so myself, and you can be sure Harvey and others will get them first, so you can hear what they say.
Again, I make no claims and comparisons, as it would only lead to my getting bashed for bragging, so I try to keep my foot out of my mouth as much as I can. You have a pretty good guy in Harvey Gerst, and I respect his opinions, so I will leave any bragging or cool claims to him, as long as he feels the product deserves it.
Studio Projects will be bringing many products to the marketplace with the same philosophy as the mics. We will provide high quality, well built products that compete with much more expensive products, and provide them at a very low cost.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Call Me Alan!
I am not very formal, and will feel much better if everyone calls me Alan on this group instead of Mr. Hyatt. Ok, so I am 50, but I still feel like I am 20, so please, call me Alan
I am not very formal, and will feel much better if everyone calls me Alan on this group instead of Mr. Hyatt. Ok, so I am 50, but I still feel like I am 20, so please, call me Alan
H
Harvey Gerst
New member
Alan,
The fact that the V67 and the 2001 started out life as exactly the same electronics and capsule is no surprise to anyone here - that was reported by me and several others months ago in rec.audio.pro and alt.music.4-track. We even had pictures at the time comparing the insides of both, detailing the differences.
The housing does make a significant difference in the sound, and the new transformer, JFETs, and the different components now make the V67 very different sounding from the 2001, which did not fare well in my review of the MXL mic line.
The people here are pretty sharp as to what's going on inside mics these days, and I'm trying to further the educational process even more (read the "polar pattern" thread, which goes into some detailed discussions of mic designs, when you get a chance).
The fact that the V67 and the 2001 started out life as exactly the same electronics and capsule is no surprise to anyone here - that was reported by me and several others months ago in rec.audio.pro and alt.music.4-track. We even had pictures at the time comparing the insides of both, detailing the differences.
The housing does make a significant difference in the sound, and the new transformer, JFETs, and the different components now make the V67 very different sounding from the 2001, which did not fare well in my review of the MXL mic line.
The people here are pretty sharp as to what's going on inside mics these days, and I'm trying to further the educational process even more (read the "polar pattern" thread, which goes into some detailed discussions of mic designs, when you get a chance).
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Harvey,
I think your doing a great job in doing that, and this thread is very lucky to get the detailed knowledge you have in design and manufacturing.
If I am stating facts that were already stated before, it is only because I am new here, and do not mean to bring up repeated posts. I just wanted to cite some differences between the designs.
I am not here to bash or trash talk any product or model Harvey, I am here to promote and pass information on about the differences of my products, wether that be good, or bad.
I think your doing a great job in doing that, and this thread is very lucky to get the detailed knowledge you have in design and manufacturing.
If I am stating facts that were already stated before, it is only because I am new here, and do not mean to bring up repeated posts. I just wanted to cite some differences between the designs.
I am not here to bash or trash talk any product or model Harvey, I am here to promote and pass information on about the differences of my products, wether that be good, or bad.
Chris F
New member
Alan,
Can you post a link to a pic of the C1 with the shockmount? Macmidimusic is selling the C1 and claims that it comes with an "elastic shockmount", but I can't find a pic of the mike & mount either there or on your site. Also, Fullcompass is listed as a distributor on your site, but they don't list your stuff yet on theirs. Are your mics that new? Wow... this is like getting in on the beginning of microsoft or something.
I'm looking for a good mic for (pizz only) acoustic bass, and a couple of folks have said that this mic would be good. If another SP mic would be a better choice, could you comment on that? Thanks.
Chris Fitzgerald
P.S. - and you are right when you say that we're lucky to have Harvey around. He's given a lot of folks a pretty good schooling on mic design, and you can't beat the price of tuition.
Can you post a link to a pic of the C1 with the shockmount? Macmidimusic is selling the C1 and claims that it comes with an "elastic shockmount", but I can't find a pic of the mike & mount either there or on your site. Also, Fullcompass is listed as a distributor on your site, but they don't list your stuff yet on theirs. Are your mics that new? Wow... this is like getting in on the beginning of microsoft or something.
I'm looking for a good mic for (pizz only) acoustic bass, and a couple of folks have said that this mic would be good. If another SP mic would be a better choice, could you comment on that? Thanks.
Chris Fitzgerald
P.S. - and you are right when you say that we're lucky to have Harvey around. He's given a lot of folks a pretty good schooling on mic design, and you can't beat the price of tuition.
Tom Cram
New member
Yo Alan,
I know you are selling this stuff for cheap, but the logo has got to go. Or rather, you NEED a logo. Even the SP in an inverted triangle that you have in your ads is better than the one on the mic. C'mon man, the client needs some eye-candy.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
I know you are selling this stuff for cheap, but the logo has got to go. Or rather, you NEED a logo. Even the SP in an inverted triangle that you have in your ads is better than the one on the mic. C'mon man, the client needs some eye-candy.
Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com
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Telefunken
GUITARDAZE
Although not the pro audio guy I would like to be, I have compared the C1 which I recieved last week to these mics. The rode nt-1, AT 4050, At 4030. I have only done a vocal test, so I cant say much other than what I heard these mics do on my voice.
Hands down the C1 won overall. It was warmer and sounded more professional sounding than my other mics I mentioned. It was a fuller sound that seemed to sit in all my mixes better. The thing that sucks is that I almost had my album finished when I got this mic. Now I am going to go back and redo all the vocals on my songs. There is a sonic quality with this mic that my other mics dont have. Its hard to explain unless hear it. I have never heard a U-87, I doubt this thing is as good but for $200.00 bucks I got a awsom mic, a nice flight case, cool shockmount, and a windscreen.
the shockmount alone would probably cost 40 bucks at a music store. For two hundred bucks its worth it IMHO.
I'm excited to hear what Harvey has to say about the mic, if he would hurry and get back here and post something.
Anyway I dont work for Alan Hyatt, but I do own one of his Joemeek pres. This is my own opinion.
Hands down the C1 won overall. It was warmer and sounded more professional sounding than my other mics I mentioned. It was a fuller sound that seemed to sit in all my mixes better. The thing that sucks is that I almost had my album finished when I got this mic. Now I am going to go back and redo all the vocals on my songs. There is a sonic quality with this mic that my other mics dont have. Its hard to explain unless hear it. I have never heard a U-87, I doubt this thing is as good but for $200.00 bucks I got a awsom mic, a nice flight case, cool shockmount, and a windscreen.
the shockmount alone would probably cost 40 bucks at a music store. For two hundred bucks its worth it IMHO.
I'm excited to hear what Harvey has to say about the mic, if he would hurry and get back here and post something.
Anyway I dont work for Alan Hyatt, but I do own one of his Joemeek pres. This is my own opinion.
Dolemite
New member
Alan,
I think I'm gonna go with Harvey on this one. You definitely came off like you were knocking Marshall and withholding the reality that they did improve upon the "off-the-shelf" 797 design.
Since you've made an effort (which I'm sure we all appreciate) to answer some questions about your products, how about doing us one better and provide a little "factory-direct" sale to HR BBS members? The best price I can find on the C1 is $230 and at that price I would definitely go with the Marshall MXL-V67 at Mars for $170 (shockmount included). I'm sure we could come up with at least 10-20 orders if you could offer your products at dealer cost. I realize this is a shot in the dark, but honestly, what have you got to lose?
I think I'm gonna go with Harvey on this one. You definitely came off like you were knocking Marshall and withholding the reality that they did improve upon the "off-the-shelf" 797 design.
Since you've made an effort (which I'm sure we all appreciate) to answer some questions about your products, how about doing us one better and provide a little "factory-direct" sale to HR BBS members? The best price I can find on the C1 is $230 and at that price I would definitely go with the Marshall MXL-V67 at Mars for $170 (shockmount included). I'm sure we could come up with at least 10-20 orders if you could offer your products at dealer cost. I realize this is a shot in the dark, but honestly, what have you got to lose?
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Telefunken
GUITARDAZE
Got mine for $209 and that included shipping. Im sure if you call Warren at Macmidimusic.com he will give you the same price. My buddy got the marshall and took it back, he didnt like it at all.
http://www.macmidimusic.com/pmiaudstudpr.html
dont judge this mic just because Mr. Hyatt has no tact. It is a good mic.
http://www.macmidimusic.com/pmiaudstudpr.html
dont judge this mic just because Mr. Hyatt has no tact. It is a good mic.
MrZekeMan
New member
and then we'll give you some good marketing by touting the wonderful quality of your mic far and wide...............
MrZekeMan
New member
Alan,
Wait, I have a better idea.
What you should do is send Harvey a couple of mics and your new mic pre, and let him do a review of them.
Then you should send me a couple of mics and your new mic pre, and let me do a review one them.
That way it will really help you to get your message out. You'll have a good cross section of the users here on the BBS. Yes running the complete gamut, some good input from our resident Mic virtuoso, and some good input from me, a total idiot.
Wait, I have a better idea.
What you should do is send Harvey a couple of mics and your new mic pre, and let him do a review of them.
Then you should send me a couple of mics and your new mic pre, and let me do a review one them.
That way it will really help you to get your message out. You'll have a good cross section of the users here on the BBS. Yes running the complete gamut, some good input from our resident Mic virtuoso, and some good input from me, a total idiot.
MrZekeMan
New member
Telefunken said:
Come on man lighten up. Sounds a little harsh to me. I wouldn't characterize anything Alan said as lacking in tact. From everything I've read about this mic it's a pretty incredible product at a incredibley reasonable price.
He's passionate about his baby. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have put the time and effort into designing and developing what we're all gonna be able to benefit from.
Zeke