The Same Mistake

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Another great song!

Mix is really nice too. Maybe boost it a bit in the chorus for emphasis.

Something wierd on that snare though during the choruses (here I go again, being a "snare sound bigot") like some kind of phase/flange happening. Has that "in a tube" sound. That's my only nit-pick though.;)
 
Great song. Very easy to listen to. Nice sounds. The whole mix leaned a little to the treble side for me, but other than that it sounded like I was listening to an album.
 
......quite nice Crawdaddy....... another beautiful song.

Very nice writing man!! You are the man for a good story song,.....very legible clear voice that is just packed w/ character.
I agree w/ the big Bob S. comparison. I dont know why it necessarily comes across so strong now. Might just be because your Bob S. cover hit so hard. .....whatever it is.....its all good!!!
This mix is very smooth in this, as all of yours are. I might take a look at the bass though. There does seem to be just a touch of vacant low end in this one. I compared it to "Aint goin back again", and there's quite a difference that might be worth looking at. I dont think it necessarily needs to match levels w/ that song, but the contrast kinda gives an idea of where the lows could be. .....just my vho........ but I think its worth a peek.
I really like the Chorus in this song.... ....and the lyrics .....very strong. I really appreciate your songwriting....... everything always sounds like it was written to be a single. ......I like that.



......as usual, very very nice work man!

G w/ 5
 
I listened to this today without the headphones that I was wearing last night, and I'm thinkin' I'm gonna' have to agree with Mr. Guernica and Doug H. It's weighted a bit towards the high end. I'm actually glad to see a couple of other people point it out, b/c you know me...I'm a sheep.
 
OK--on to part two of the responses. This is so good for me to get feedback, especially now, because I am messing with a lot of ideas, so I need to see whats sticking to the wall and whats gotta get worked on.

Sluice--I'm gonna check into that verb. I think the whole thing could stand a smaller room and could be cut back about 20%. I learned something though. See, I mixed this on the same day I recorded it and I was under headphones for much of the time. I crank my headphones too. They are much brighter and less bass heavy than my monitors--everything sounds crystal clear under the phones. Ah--but what happens is that everything sounds kinda muddy and flat after wearing those suckers. It fatigues the ears, so going right into a mix is probably not such a great idea. Even the idea of mixing on the same day as I track is probably not a good idea. So. this one will go back to the shop for some tweaks.

David--thanks for the listen!

TripleM--I may give harmonies a try. We'll see how it goes. If they don't work, they can always get pulled off again

Alibish--wow! I really like all your comments! I live for hearing all those details because those are the things that really make a difference. I'm like a bull sometimes--just trying to plow through something when I should take more time with exactly the things you mention. No apology needed, believe me. You have a skill--its called being able to listen, or good ears! I am taking notes and will try to address all of these things in a second mix.

Participant--I threw that last reply to you in as a friendly joke. I'm glad you stopped in and caught that! Anyway, I'm gonna have another listen to the low end since several have commented about that. I don't think I compressed the acoustic, but I did use the low cut on the mic and some low cut on the preamp going in. My Martin can get kinda boomy if I don't tame some of that low as its incoming. As far as mix in general, my benchmark these days is the Jackson Browne album "I'm Alive". It won a Grammy for best engineered record when it came out. There is so much clarity and space in it--I'm just amazed. I really like Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" a lot too. If I could learn how to make records like these two, I'd be ready to take on the world!

M.Brane--Hey, snare sound bigots are allowed on my threads and welcomed! Its amazing to me how much the snare affects the whole song. I've lived through five decades of music and each one has about three signature snare sounds, so I am pretty into it myself. On second mix I'll pay special attention to it and see if I can grok what you mean by phasing. Probably too much f'in reverb!

Doug H--thank you for that. Just what I need to hear! You aren't the only one, believe me. I appreciate the help. Its all good!

Guernica--thank you for the in depth stuff there. I won't rehash the low situation (chrisharris is on my butt about it--that sheep!:D) I just really appreciate the feedback and consider the criticisms as a compliment because people care and are in the spirit of the BBS--which is what its all about. As for the Segar comparison, you are being very unfair to the man! It used to be Ray Charles, remember? :D Interestingly, the two tracks I used the V67 on were the ones where I I got some harshness comments--the guitar and vocal. Maybe thats not the mic for me, ya know? Well, another mix is coming. Will you dial in again and let me know what you think?

Chrisharris--Even if you don't have a Bud Lite, I luv you, MAN!
 
nice stuff... I liked how the solo faded out the tune.
 
Nice song all around. Very pro job. I can hear the segar influence in the vocals and the guitar work. Sorry... I kinda dislike comparisons myself. You do have a lot of soul.
Myx
 
As for the Segar comparison, you are being very unfair to the man! It used to be Ray Charles, remember? :D


...thats exactly what i mean. ...that kinda says something about how we are led around by marketing and promotion doesnt it?
By putting out that great Bob S. cover youve changed your image
from a muddy delta blues influenced kinda guy to the new leader of the 70's AOR generation:D

........I too am a sheep:( :)

Thanks for the mic note.... Im gonna do some vocal comparisons

g
 
crawdad said:

Sluice--I'm gonna check into that verb. I think the whole thing could stand a smaller room and could be cut back about 20%. I learned something though. See, I mixed this on the same day I recorded it and I was under headphones for much of the time. I crank my headphones too. They are much brighter and less bass heavy than my monitors--everything sounds crystal clear under the phones. Ah--but what happens is that everything sounds kinda muddy and flat after wearing those suckers. It fatigues the ears, so going right into a mix is probably not such a great idea. Even the idea of mixing on the same day as I track is probably not a good idea. So. this one will go back to the shop for some tweaks.


I am discovering that VERY SAME THING. But I still don't trust my room quite yet either. Always so much to learn, eh?
 
great song. you've really raised the bar around here! I love how you mix the keys and guitar and they never crowd each other. Very educational.

I also checked out Over 40 Blues. Kick ass in the James Taylor style! That is one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard! Did you write it?
 
as usual, im useless to you. just great!! freakin pro stuff!!!


thank's man!!

peace

rick
 
mixmkr--thank you for the listen!

Myx62--thanks man. I don't mind comparisons, but I just feel like usually I fall far short of the person I'm being compared to!

Guernica--there's only one way to really change my image forever--well actually two ways. Let me put it simply--either I cover Copacabana or Sweet Caroline!

SluiCe--it never ends! Just when you think you have it all figured out, you learn about some new technique or piece of incredible gear. Its all progress though. Go back and listen to what you did three years ago and what you are doing now--you'll see big improvement, I bet.

JR#47--Thanks for the feedback. That other tune (Over 40) is one I wrote in a self pitying mood one day. I actually felt weird about putting that one out, but every time I sang it, it had a ring of truth in it so off it went.

fenderlickingood--you are way too kind, but it IS good karma to treat the elderly nicely:D Seriously--thank you!
 
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