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Greg_L
Banned
The loudness jump from 1 to 2 is there but it doesn't do anything to help the tone IMO. 3 is knocking on the door of getting good. 4 and 5 is where the goodness starts in these clips.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
louder clips sound better .... but greg nailed it .... 'bees in a can' syndrome on everything ..........................
man , you really have that riff-driven rhythm thing down!
man , you really have that riff-driven rhythm thing down!
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Plug in, I'm just using Reagate to clear some noise off a track.
rayc
retroreprobate
I'm cheating. This isn't about guitar tone but, rather, organ tone.
THe link is to a long and not very melodic song by long term collaboration of mine - The Newlings.
It was originally a folky tune. I fooled around and added a drum track and an organ track plus asked Eric to add some more rock guitar tracks.
The drums are BIAB again and none to adventurous at all.
The organ is BIAB as well.
It's a "RealPlayer" file meaning it's made up of snippets of wav files played by a real organist but reassembled to suit the tempo, chords and structure of the song.
It WAS a stereo organ part but the left hand was distracting in it's bass notes as they confused my head about the bass guitar notes.
I made the stereo organ mono & shot it up the middle.
Have a skip through and let me know if the organ sounds "convincing" please.
I've marked where the organ is more obvious in the mix.
jimistone
long standing member
minerman...
I like the 15w tones better than low power.
I like the 15w tones better than low power.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
There's still some work to be done here, but I think I have the bare bones of a good metal tone here - My playing not that tight yet 'cos its a fairly tricky riff and I've only just come up with it.
This was actually recorded at TV volume (and I'm not a deaf old lady either).
View attachment Phyridge Magnets Tone 1.mp3
This was actually recorded at TV volume (and I'm not a deaf old lady either).
View attachment Phyridge Magnets Tone 1.mp3
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Greg_L
Banned
I think the organ bits sound fine, but they're low in the mix, so that might help it sound fine. Sounds like a typical organ sound to me, so nothing wrong with that. I'm no organ aficionado so I can't tell how good or bad it really is.
Haha nice Greg beats in there.
Uh pretty solid riff, needs more to the tone to be metal by my estimation. More gain, more low end. It's a little scratchy in the mids. The high end is good, don't go brighter, just beef the lows and tame the mids a hair. And add more metal (gain).
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
That is the turnaround beat that you told me how to do.
Hmmm, not sure I want more gain. Maybe a little hair on the SD1 and a tweak of bass on the amp
Hmmm, not sure I want more gain. Maybe a little hair on the SD1 and a tweak of bass on the amp
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Here's take 2!
View attachment Phyridge Magnets Tone 2.mp3
There's not that much different between them - the second lightly gainier one seems to have a bit more meat on the palm mutes without too much flub. Definitely don't want more gain now - I'm a pretty simple creature in that respect really.
This is still all at TV volume too which is quite a surprise - I normally record at much higher volume than this.
On the drums - I've got snare trash on everything except the kick which I've moved out onto its own and I flicked through the Leixcon until I tried tiled room which seems to fit but doesn't have that weird reverb triggering effect.
This is actually a really fun riff to play.
View attachment Phyridge Magnets Tone 2.mp3
There's not that much different between them - the second lightly gainier one seems to have a bit more meat on the palm mutes without too much flub. Definitely don't want more gain now - I'm a pretty simple creature in that respect really.
This is still all at TV volume too which is quite a surprise - I normally record at much higher volume than this.
On the drums - I've got snare trash on everything except the kick which I've moved out onto its own and I flicked through the Leixcon until I tried tiled room which seems to fit but doesn't have that weird reverb triggering effect.
This is actually a really fun riff to play.
minerman
Tonetard
Sounds pretty good Jdude, I agree you need to scoop the mids just a little & fatten up the low end a bit...I'm very impressed with your drum programming too man, leaps & bounds!!!
I recorded a couple clips yesterday, but listening to 'em this morning they sound like utter shit, so I'm gonna re-do 'em...
I recorded a couple clips yesterday, but listening to 'em this morning they sound like utter shit, so I'm gonna re-do 'em...
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Cheers mate, were you on take 1 or take 2?
Do you know how to template REAPER? I've got a drum sound I'm happy with and I'd like to have it set up as a standard template in reaper so I don't have to fuck about choosing each drum and reverb every time I do a new track.
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Greg_L
Banned
That one is better to me. A little more grit in it.
Do me a favor....record a mono DI of that and send it to me please. I wanna run it through my JCM 800 set for "metal" and see what it does to the mids.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
OK, would I do this by just plugging straight into my interface and playing clean totally raw? without any effects or anything? (like if I was recording bass but without the reverbs and compression?) I've never recorded a raw DI track before.
minerman
Tonetard
I listened to both clips, & the guitar tone was about the same to me. There might have been some minute differences, but the mids are still too prominent IMO...
While you've got Reaper open, select all the tracks you wanna save, then right-click & save as track template. If you have midi items you want to keep with it, there's a box to check, same thing with any envelopes. It's pretty nice to be able to recall a bunch of tracks all at once, so you don't have to set it up every time...
Now, record Greg a raw di so he can re-amp it through his JCM800, I'm curious to hear the results....
minerman
Tonetard
Yes, throw an ampsim on the track so you can monitor like it's going through an amp, but when you render the di, be sure to turn all effects off, Greg need the di signal from your guitar only....
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Greg_L
Banned
Yup. Pull up some shitty sim so you have something to hear while monitoring, but record the guitar direct. Use an instrument input on your interface so it doesn't add any gain to the signal. Try to get exactly what the pickup puts out - no more, no less. Record it mono. Then send me that and I can run it through my 800 and record it.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
I didn't bother monitoring what I was playing, just played along with that recording on quietly and just listened to my guitar unplugged "acoustically". Never recorded a DI of this guitar before - don't know whether I have exceptionally hot pickups but I've turned the gain on the AI as low as it would go and it still kinda clips a bit. I have it on about 1/2 way when I'm recording bass.
View attachment Phyridge Magnets DI.mp3
View attachment Phyridge Magnets DI.mp3
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Greg_L
Banned
It shouldn't clip. Are you using an instrument input?
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
For reference - here's my tone from my lead line through my Blackstar with no bass, drums or rhythm. We'll just have to assume that my pick attack and playing style is pretty constant.
View attachment Phyridge Magnets Blackstar.mp3
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Yeah. I have it turned down as low as it will go. Its only just starting to clip - the halos on the focusrite were orange, not red! my bass stayed in the green at 1/2 way and I was picking pretty hard as you can probably tell.
View attachment Phyridge Magnets Blackstar.mp3
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Yeah. I have it turned down as low as it will go. Its only just starting to clip - the halos on the focusrite were orange, not red! my bass stayed in the green at 1/2 way and I was picking pretty hard as you can probably tell.
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Greg_L
Banned
Okay, that's fine then. Now make it a raw, mono, wav file and ship it to me. 0 the faders. Nothing on it. Just send me the raw recorded wav exactly as it is.