minerman
Tonetard
JDOD, as soon as I get the e-kit, & spend a little time with 'em, I'll post some clips, and probably a little review for others like me (non-drummer) that are looking at getting some of 'em...
rayc
retroreprobate
Antichef,
Personally I liked the #2. Nice'n'crisp and not quite as big a boom on the bottom strings.
Personally I liked the #2. Nice'n'crisp and not quite as big a boom on the bottom strings.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
antichef,
Dry is the best. Mix it into a song, then see if you need a bit of compression. Dry sounds the best for now though.
I am a bit of a luddite like that though - no need to add anything as a matter of course - just do it if you feel you actually need it.
Dry is the best. Mix it into a song, then see if you need a bit of compression. Dry sounds the best for now though.
I am a bit of a luddite like that though - no need to add anything as a matter of course - just do it if you feel you actually need it.
G
Greg_L
Banned
Thanks for listening to my clips guys. I appreciate the comments. Yes, the 1959 SLP amp is intensely loud and I usually track right in the room with it - with ear protection. I have a master vol installed on the back so I can use the amp live, but I don't use the master vol for recording. I let the amp be how it's supposed to be, which is wide open 100w all the time. I really like these old style amps because they're so responsive to everything. I don't know why that is, but a modern high gain amp just doesn't have the character these old style circuits have.
And lol @ my drums. That's just plain stock ez drummer. I turned off the horrid room track. I do like ez drummer though. It's easy to just plop in some beats and I use it when writing songs. I "write" my drums with fake drums, and then play them for real. It saves me a lot of actual drumming time since I'm not experimenting on the real kit. I test all my ideas with ez drummer first. Then it's just like drumming a cover song.
Ray - I don't know if I'm going to actually finish that Ramones cover with real stuff. Maybe. I definitely can't sing it right now.
And lol @ my drums. That's just plain stock ez drummer. I turned off the horrid room track. I do like ez drummer though. It's easy to just plop in some beats and I use it when writing songs. I "write" my drums with fake drums, and then play them for real. It saves me a lot of actual drumming time since I'm not experimenting on the real kit. I test all my ideas with ez drummer first. Then it's just like drumming a cover song.
Ray - I don't know if I'm going to actually finish that Ramones cover with real stuff. Maybe. I definitely can't sing it right now.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Greg, have you got a good pair of noise cancelling headphones to protect your ears while still being able to hear your drums, etc? If so, what ones?
G
Greg_L
Banned
Yeah I use Vic Firth drummer's tracking headphones. They sound terrible, but they allow me to hear the drums when tracking super loud guitars, and I can hear the click and music when tracking drums. They're good for loud stuff. Lots of attenuation. I wouldn't make any mix decisions with them though.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Yeah...I too find that all that low volume stuff that's been gamed up to sound like high volume tones just doesn't sound the same...mainly 'cuz the speaker/cab are just sitting there barely breaking a sweat.
I tried all kinds of low volume approaches...got a bunch of attenuators sitting in a pile...
...and in the end I went back to recording amps loud...and of course, I'm in the room wearing my close-back headphones both for monitoring and to protect my hearing.
Many folks can't do that...record with loud amp volumes, due to friends/family/neighbors...but it really brings out the life of the amp & cab.
Besides the Vic Firth phones....if you are looking for something that's more decent sounding and also high isolation, you should get a set of the old-school Koss Pro4AA phones.
Koss PRO4AA Noise-Isolating Professional Studio Headphones Tan | Musicians Friend
Good sound...these were studio staples back in the '70s/'80s, and are still used by many. They have air-filled rubber surrounds that really create a tight seal on your ears. They also clamp on your head pretty snuggly if you are drummer and move a lot during playing...
...of course, they are on the heavier side, but I've used them for years and they are not uncomfortable.
G
Greg_L
Banned
Agreed. I think that if I could drag some of you guys in here with me, you'd be shocked and appalled at how loud these amps are. Your lives would be changed forever. But I do understand that I've been blessed and I'm lucky to be able to goof off like this. My brick McMansion seals me and the noise in for the most part. It's excessive and silly, but being stupidly loud simply just sounds better to me.
You wanna sell any of those attenuators? I might be interested depending on what you got. This 50w Plexi build I'm gonna do is gonna need one. I'm not putting a master volume on it.
I've been thinking about getting some of those. How much attenuation do they give? My Vic Firths do about 25db, which is enough, but they don't sound very good. Those Koss things are legendary.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
I hope my new neighbours are cool with a bit of noise occasionally. Like most people in the UK I won't be living in a detached house!
I'll probably stick to writing and getting an initial mix done with my current set up then re track with the amp up loud in single takes when I am ready.
Suppose I'll find out how cool they are in about 8 days!
I'll probably stick to writing and getting an initial mix done with my current set up then re track with the amp up loud in single takes when I am ready.
Suppose I'll find out how cool they are in about 8 days!
G
Greg_L
Banned
You're a prime candidate for reamping.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
How would that work?
Do I track with my current sound, then somehow output that track into my amp with some volume before re recording it with a mic?
Do I track with my current sound, then somehow output that track into my amp with some volume before re recording it with a mic?
G
Greg_L
Banned
Mostly. Record a raw dry direct guitar track like you would with a software sim. Later you can send that raw track to an actual amp and record the amp as it plays.
J
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Sennheiser HD280s supposedly give 32db attenuation and they sound excellent to my ears. I do most of my mixing on them (that's not really saying a lot, I know!).
G
Greg_L
Banned
Wow, that's good. Do they fit tight?
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Raw... as in no distortion, preamp or anything at all? That's going to be hard to concentrate on!
Not quite sure where I will fit the Jackhammer into the reamping process but it could be fun working it out.
Not quite sure where I will fit the Jackhammer into the reamping process but it could be fun working it out.
G
Greg_L
Banned
You use a software sim to monitor with. You're hearing the "distorted" finished sound, but you're only recording the direct guitar signal. Or you split the signal with a DI. Record a raw direct signal, and whatever POD, Modeller, or whatever you use. Do it however you want, just get a raw unaffected track in the DAW.
From there, you send that raw direct track back out, through your Jackhammer if you want, and into an amp.
JDOD
therecordingrebels.com
Cheers, that makes perfect sense now. Just got to work out how I can monitor my tone but just record the raw DI.
J
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
I don't know if you could drum with them on, they don't clamp very tight.
J
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
I mean, they're not loose, they wouldn't give 32db if so, but it's not like a vice on your head!
G
Greg_L
Banned
Keith Moon used to gaffer tape his cans on, so I guess I could do that.
I'm not a very animated drummer. I just sit there and play like a robot.