The New Tone Thread

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Thanks for taking the time to listen to my clips & give your thoughts dude......

Not sure if the T15 will take EL84's or not, are they the same pin thingie as the 6V6's & such??? If so, I can just plug-n-play if I ever get a set, if not, I'm outta luck, as I really wouldn't wanna mod the little amp, hell, I can barely solder a p'up wire...:laughings:

You may be onto something about the power tubes though man, I'm gonna have to do some searching & see....I'm pretty sure the guys in the Marshall forum have mentioned using 'em....IIRC, most didn't like 'em, they preferred the 6P3S tubes, but that wasn't slaving another amp into it either....

The sound does flub a bit on the last clip, & the low end is a little better IMO, but, are you ready for the bomb???

The last clip was Amplitube 3 dude, just my Ibanez plugged straight into my interface. Of course I did some tweaking, but the tone is:

Ibanez > interface > AT3

I did use the rack eq in AT3 to get rid of some of the fizz, but I didn't even use a high pass/low pass filter, just the rack eq in AT3. I think it's pretty close, even for an ampsim. I've noticed in a lot of clips of real amps, there's some fizz in those too, & before I always tried to get rid of all of it, I think that's why my direct tones weren't as convincing to be honest....could be anything really though....

And yes, it is an interesting exercise to be honest, but by no means is it a waste of time to me, I'm learning how to get better tonez dude!!!!
 
Greg_L said:
No. I don't have a JTM45. I wouldn't say no to one if you gave it to me, but I don't have one nor am I looking for one. I'm really happy with the amp I have. If I were to get another Marshall, it would be a JVM410 or a JMP 2203 or 2204. Have you played a JVM? It's pretty intimidating with the 500 knobs on the front, but fuck, it sounds incredible. It's like every Marshall ever made rolled into one head. Very impressive.
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Lol. Great post, Greg. You now have both of those amps. :D
 
minerman said:
are you ready for the bomb???

The last clip was Amplitube 3 dude, just my Ibanez plugged straight into my interface.
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Haha, kabam! Nice. So what amp model/cab did you use?

I don't know if EL84s are a drop in replacement for 6V6s. I doubt it, but I don't know. Look into it. Those tards at the marshallforum might know, or they might just drool on their keyboards like they usually do.
 
That was the Hendrix/Marshall amp models, with the 4x12 closed modern 2 (which I think is supposed to be a GT75, not sure really....)...:) It's a newer, Marshall authorized ampsim/model they came out with a while back. I demo'd it, think I've got 2 days to try it, or something like that. Of course, I'll never buy it, as I've got so many ampsims now, I could make about any of 'em sound like that with some tweaking....I demo'd the Slash thing in AT3 when it came out, & same thing, it sounds pretty close, but it's nothing I couldn't get from something I already have....

I had a quick look in the Marshall forum (there's a thread on the Tweaker that about 15 pages long....), & I didn't see anything about EL84's, but I did see EL43 & 5881's mentioned quite a bit, so I'm guessing the pinout on the 84's are different, so I'm probably out of luck....

Makes me wonder about the ampsims/modeler thing though dude, I do have to admit, it's pretty impressive to get that close to the real thing....

The guy I was talking about in the Marshall forum sent me his Plexi track today. It sounds great in his mix/song, but doesn't really impress me by itself. He's a good guy, & an awesome guitarist to say the least. Never arrogant like a lot of the guys over there. He's always helpful, & really humble/easygoing.....But, I know he does run all his tracks out of his computer, into a reel to reel, then back into the pc, so that may have something to do with it too, kinda like old-school tape stuff I suppose....He's a badass player though, I know you don't like the 80's stuff, but he can rip Malmsteem, Lynch, about anything like that, & make it sound convincing as hell....He's one of a few guys I've made friends with over there, there are probably a handful of 'em that are pretty cool, & will actually try to help when I ask something...

Hell, I've posted pretty much the same posts & clips there, & might get one or two responses, mostly saying sounds good, but no advice on how to improve my tones. Can't really get those guys to help me along like you guys do here....I'd thought about posting these same clips, to see which they prefer as a Plexi tone, & then drop the bomb on 'em, they seem to absolutely hate ampsims over there...

Thanks again dude, my head's asking my stomach "what the fuck's the matter, your throat been cut?" so I'm gonna go grab something to eat, I'll be back in a little while....
 
minerman said:
That was the Hendrix/Marshall amp models, with the 4x12 closed modern 2 (which I think is supposed to be a GT75, not sure really....)...:) It's a newer, Marshall authorized ampsim/model they came out with a while back. I demo'd it, think I've got 2 days to try it, or something like that. Of course, I'll never buy it, as I've got so many ampsims now, I could make about any of 'em sound like that with some tweaking....I demo'd the Slash thing in AT3 when it came out, & same thing, it sounds pretty close, but it's nothing I couldn't get from something I already have....

I had a quick look in the Marshall forum (there's a thread on the Tweaker that about 15 pages long....), & I didn't see anything about EL84's, but I did see EL43 & 5881's mentioned quite a bit, so I'm guessing the pinout on the 84's are different, so I'm probably out of luck....

Makes me wonder about the ampsims/modeler thing though dude, I do have to admit, it's pretty impressive to get that close to the real thing....

The guy I was talking about in the Marshall forum sent me his Plexi track today. It sounds great in his mix/song, but doesn't really impress me by itself. He's a good guy, & an awesome guitarist to say the least. Never arrogant like a lot of the guys over there. He's always helpful, & really humble/easygoing.....But, I know he does run all his tracks out of his computer, into a reel to reel, then back into the pc, so that may have something to do with it too, kinda like old-school tape stuff I suppose....He's a badass player though, I know you don't like the 80's stuff, but he can rip Malmsteem, Lynch, about anything like that, & make it sound convincing as hell....He's one of a few guys I've made friends with over there, there are probably a handful of 'em that are pretty cool, & will actually try to help when I ask something...

Hell, I've posted pretty much the same posts & clips there, & might get one or two responses, mostly saying sounds good, but no advice on how to improve my tones. Can't really get those guys to help me along like you guys do here....I'd thought about posting these same clips, to see which they prefer as a Plexi tone, & then drop the bomb on 'em, they seem to absolutely hate ampsims over there...

Thanks again dude, my head's asking my stomach "what the fuck's the matter, your throat been cut?" so I'm gonna go grab something to eat, I'll be back in a little while....
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Post that guy's clip in here.

I'm a fan of amp sims if that's the route one has to take. They can sound very good. I've used them before and had good results. My only problem with sims is the attitude that some sim people adopt that miking an amp is now unnecessary or inferior to a sim because it takes work to do it well. "I can just plug into my interface and sound awesome right away!" Lame. I don't buy that. I always like my mic'd tracks better than a sim track and I like to think I do okay with either method. One thing that sims haven't gotten right yet is good harmonic feedback. You can strum, chunk, and lead yourself silly with sims, but you can't hold that note and let it ring out into a beautiful feedback. I think feedback is awesome. I love it. Sims don't do it. Not any that I've heard anyway. There's something ethereal about a speaker yelling back at you. Sims simply can't do that.
 
Sorry I didn't come back last night Greg, went for something to eat, & started watching "Shark WeeK", next thing I know, it's like 4 am, & I'm still on the couch...:D

I don't know about posting that guy's raw track, I don't think he'd mind me posting the song though, so here it is:



Kick ass musician all around IMO, but especially on the guitar. The solo's just insane, he actually posted 2/3 versions of it, because he couldn't make up his mind which one was best, & all of 'em were awesome to say the least...Good guy too, he always tries to help me when I have a question about something......

He's told me that all his recordings have been low volume, about conversation level. The track posted here is his Plexi, boosted with a SD-1. His plexi is modded, he put a Zero Loss fx loop in it, & uses an Alesis Quadraverb in the loop as a master volume....I think it sounds bad ass myself....I know you don't like this type of music, but it's what I grew up on, & love....
 
Yes that's great tone for the song. This my biggest gripe with that kind of music - I love the guitar sounds, and I despise and loathe the style. It's a real conundrum for me. The sounds are wonderful, the songs are shit. EVH, Randy Rhoads, George Lynch, all great sounds and great players and I can't even enjoy it because their music is absolute shit. That kind of music is music for guitar players and wannabe guitar players. everything else takes a back seat to the guitar. I have a natural and strong aversion to any kind of music where one instrument or one player is the focal point of the whole band.

I his amp an actual Plexi, or is it a metal face Super Lead? Any other mods besides the fx loop?
 
Yeah, I know you don't like this type of music, but to me, it's great, David gets some unreal tones from his gear, but IMHO, it's not just the guitars that are great in his stuff, it's the whole thing. His vocals are really good too IMO, along with the bass & drums...The mix/master is pretty good too, I think....Again, he's a good guy, that's always helpful (to me anyway), & very respectful of everyone, something you don't see a lot nowdays....

I'm not sure on his Plexi (if it's an actual Plexi or Super Lead, no idea really), he did tell me in the pm yesterday (when he sent me the clip) he'd done some mods to his amp himself, but to be honest, I can't remember exactly what they were, & to be honest again, wouldn't know what they were anyway...

OK, here's the details about the guitar tone in the pm he sent me yesterday (I hope he doesn't get pissed at me for posting this & his song....):

"I used a Ibanez RG2570 into a 1984 Boss SD-1 into my 50 watt Plexi that I put a PTP board in using Carbon Composite resistors and Malory caps based upon the 1968 circuit with a few personal tweaks. The Alesis runs in and out of a Zero Loss Effects Loop from Metro that I installed. In addition I can use the Alesis to attenuate the volume as a master. (Been doing this for nearly 30 years). Finally the head powers a 1960BV (Bottom Vintage 30) Marshall Cab.

Recorded with a SM57 @ 45 degree angle, 1" out."

He's got a JCM 800 too, with a shitload of guitars, don't know how many exactly, but quite a few. Great player & good guy all around IMHO.....

I've got the place to myself this morning, so, I'm gonna slave the DSL into the Tweaker for an hour or so, might post another tone or two before I leave today.....

Thanks again for the input/comments on my sounds dude, always appreciated!!!
 
That's all very cool. He does get a great guitar sound. I really do believe though that when it's all said and done, how you play is the biggest aspect with tone. That guy can play very well IMO. I have the gear to easily get all of those 80's cockrocking tones. There's no doubt in my mind that I could get an early VH sound without much effort as far as equipment goes. I can't play that way though so my gear will never sound like that. I'll never be able to play "Eruption", so I'll never ever sound like that. And that's just fine with me. I'm perfectly fine with just regular old rock and roll tones. I have to work a little harder with my gear though because I'm not a very good player. And I'm fine with that too. By now I should be better than I am, and I really would like to be better, but I don't want to put the work in. I'm as good as I need to be for the music I play. I'd rather move mics around than work on scales. I like fiddling with my junk. Pun intended. :D

You minerman are a pretty good player and you play your style well. To my ears everything you've done with your little gear has come out pretty good and it stands on it's own. I know you're chasing the big sound with your stuff though, so I try to dig a little deeper with the critiques based on what I hear compared to my own big stuff and pro recordings. I like reading about and hearing your experiments. Keep em coming!
 
OK, here's a shitty little clip I did with just the DSL-1, green channel, using the SD-1....

Gain: 10
Vol: 10
Bass: 10
Mid: 3
Treble: 7
Deep Switch: On
Tone Shift: Off



Wasn't going for any particular sound, just recording a shitty clip really.....

Gotta head out the door in about 5 mins....see you guys in about 10-12 hours...
 
Pretty cool. Not bad at all. I think I like your DSL all by itself better than slaved through the Tweaker. The deep switch engaged on this particular clip sounds better to me with that head all by itself. I can just hear a little chunk in there and to me it's better than not having the deep switch engaged, and better than the deep switch engaged through the Tweaker. One thing I think I'd try is swapping the treble for more mids. Put the mids up high and the treble low. Greenback and 57? And is the green channel the "Classic" gain channel? I can't remember.
 
Thanks Greg,
Yeah that's the DSL on it's own, I think I like it better by itself too, but slaving it into the T15 can give a Plexi-ish vibe/tone, sorta....or I could just use an ampsim....:D

Yep, Greenback & '57, Green channel. One thing I don't like about my DSL-1, is it doesn't have the different crunch modes like the big ones do, can't remember if the 15 watter does or not, don't think so though....But, for what I bought it for, it does a good job IMO, especially since I can crank it up at night, & not worry about pissing anyone here off....

I'll give the more mids/less treble a shot in a little while, I literally just walked in the door, & need to get a shower.....

Something I've been thinking about doing, is using my DSL for the highs/mids, & maybe use an ampsim for the chunk, I'm sure if blended right, it would sound good.....

I did try the POD Farm Plexi sims today, & the amps are kinda close to AT3, but the cabinet sims don't hold 'em a light really. Using the POD Farm amps, & AT3's cabs gave me pretty similar results as the clip I posted...I think that's the big thing that ampsims are lacking, the cabinet simulation. Could be wrong though, doesn't matter really though, I've got so many options now with the DSL, Tweaker, Greenback, V30, POD X3Live, & ampsims I could tweak & record for days without using the same thing....:p

Gimme an hour or so, & I'll post up something else just for shits & giggles...

Wonder where everybody else is that used to hang in the Toan Thread with us????
 
minerman said:
Gimme an hour or so, & I'll post up something else just for shits & giggles...

Wonder where everybody else is that used to hang in the Toan Thread with us????
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Lol. 5 hours later....that must be one hell of a shower. :D

Telegram Sam has been lured into the cave. I don't know why, the cave is a shithole and the people in there suck.
 
I'm still reading - don't have anything to contribute or much time to listen, though.
 
Sorry dude,
Don't know why, but the last couple/few days, everytime I eat something, I fall asleep like Rip Van Winkle or something, the wife woke me up around 5 & told me to get in the damn bed....:D

Tones are coming, I'm rendering the mp3 as I type....
 
I'm not here much because I'm busy as shit and that has interfered with my tone time but then .... this IS where all the cool folks hang ..... until Carmen C comes around! :laughings:
 
To be honest, I stopped posting for a while when the Klops guy was here, the one that made the guitar cabs out of drums....:facepalm:

So, here's another tone with the mids cranked, bass cranked, & treble dialed back quite a bit. It's pretty dark, but I can always dial some of the brightness back in if needed....

 
I like that a lot ..... sounds a lot like one of the guitar magazine review intros ...... can't remember which one but maybe Premier Guitar.
That's a great crunch sound!
I don't find it dark at all.
 
Thanks Bob!!!
Maybe I should've said, it's kinda dark compared to my usual tones, which seem to be overly bright...Yeah, I like it too, it sounds good IMO....Still waiting to see what "Mr. Marshall" himself says though....the Gerg!!!!:D
 
Dude, that's the best one yet. Sim again, right? :D

For real though, if you're trying to sound like a big amp, that's your closest tone yet in my opinion. It's definitely not "dark" at all. No way. I think that what you're calling "dark" is a thicker low and midrange that you weren't getting before. There's plenty of highs there. It's just fuller overall like a big rig actually sounds. Best one yet. Record with that.
 
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