The New Tone Thread

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Thanks Greg, your input/opinion is always welcome & appreciated, especially on my guitar tones.....

Yeah, I know it's not 100%/spot on/exact, as I'm really not interested in that, just getting fairly close, which I think it is, to a point....EVH is one of my first guitar heroes, always has been & always will, that said, I really don't know how to play much of his stuff to be honest, but always loved his sound....

Amp settings on the DSL-1 are:
Red channel
Volume: 5-6
Gain: 4-5
Bass: 7-8
Mid: 3-4
Treble: 7-8
Deep switch: off
Tone shift: off

SD-1 settings:
Level: 10
Tone: 5-6
Drive: 2-3

I did snip C6 in my SD-1, which is a high pass filter, it can get pretty shrill now with the tone cranked up, but I think that's one of the things that helps getting in the ballpark for an EVH style tone, it's a really bright tone....

In the clip, I'm rolling the vol knob in places, & switching the SD-1 on/off here/there too....

Again, I'm not interested in nailing his tone 100%, I'm actually pretty happy with what I have to be honest, I can't play like him, & won't sound like him anyway, but again, I'm pretty happy with the tone(s) I've been getting with this setup for the past few days.....

I may put the Greenback speaker in tonight, & see what difference that makes in the tone, the V30 has a lot of high end bite, & the GB seems to be a little smoother, top-end wise...

Thanks for the listen, comments, & compliments dude, again, your input/opinion on my guitar tones are always welcome, & I value 'em pretty highly....
 
if you guys spent the time working on your chops that you spend changing out speakers and tubes and testing for tones ........... :D
 
Lt. Bob said:
if you guys spent the time working on your chops that you spend changing out speakers and tubes and testing for tones ........... :D
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Lol, very true, but I'm afraid I'm as good a player as I'll ever be/need to be. :D
 
Same here, I'm about as good as I'll ever be....that said, one can always improve....and I need lots of that....:thumbs up:
 
I gotta get better ...... want to be ready when the big time comes calling!
:laughings:
 
I had my first real guitar playing related injury back in Feb with my fretting hand. I still haven't quite recovered and suffer frequent bouts of tendinitis in my left wrist and slight weakness in my thumb. Since then, I've had to change to lighter gauge strings and revert back to standard scale 6 string guitars. Even before that I've noticed, though I rarely go a day without playing for at least two hours, I've gotten slower. My right hand, which has never had any injuries or problems, just ain't what it used to be. When I'm recording or jamming on shit that I come up with it's not a problem because I am likely subconsciously compensating for it. But, when I am covering stuff from other bands or playing old stuff, it's more of a challenge to finish fast sections without my right hand/arm tiring out. Getting old sucks.
 
I serioulsy don't kow what is good and what isn't other than by my poor ear but the Greenback & Vintage combo was the one I liked most. The G12s seemed to be at odds with the other side - then again one of my ears is not listening to the same stuff as the other.
Minerman - very 80's but it doesn't peel skin like Eddie did - mind you I'm not an EVH fan at all.
 
Thanks Ray, I know it's not spot on, actually, it's miles off to be honest, but I'm happy with the 80's tone to be honest, I've never wanted to sound like anyone else, just me. And, in all honesty, that's who I sound like....I was just trying to get in the ballpark, & again, I think it's close enough, as I'd never sound like anyone but me anyway....even with their gear...:thumbs up:

Finally got my 12AU7 power tubes for the Marshall this week, & have been playing/swapping 'em around, while they don't make a huge difference, I can tell a little between the different tubes....

For about $20, I got 8 tubes: 2- RCA Black Plates, 2- RCA Clear Tops, 2- GE's, & 2- Tung Sol's...all tested, while not brand new, they tested really high (I trust the guy I got 'em from a lot too, about every tube I have came from him, except maybe 2-3 & the tubes that came with my amps...), & are all in super condition....:)

So far, I've been using:
V1: Baldwin labeled GE
V2: Mullard
V3: RCA Black Plate
V4: Sylvania
V5: RCA Clear Top

But this could change at any time...with either/any of the RCA's in V5 (power section) I can say I get some pretty cool power tube saturation when I crank the master on the little amp....to be honest, I really haven't tried the others as much (other than about 5 mins each to make sure they work, or aren't noisy, etc..), but I've got one week to go, & I get 10 days in a row off, so I'll have time to try 'em then....plus, I'm trying my best to finish up a few songs during that time too, we'll see how far I get I suppose.....7 shifts to go counting tomorrow...
 
Here's a clip I did today with my Ibanez (Custom Custom in bridge), DSL-1 H, V30, '57 mic & Reaper....it's still a work in process (& the same riff/song I posted a week or two ago), so anything could (& probably will) change....I have lyrics written, but I'm trying to get the drums programmed, all instruments tracked before I give those a shot....(my 9 day-with pay summer vacation starts this coming Saturday)...:D

I can't decide whether to have 2 guitars (panned out L & R), or just leave it the way it its.....

Excuse the sloppy playing, this is only a scratch track, as I'm still working on the arrangement & drums....

Did some tube rolling today & this is what's in the little DSL-1 for the clip:
V1: Baldwin labeled GE
V2: Mullard
V3: RCA Black Plate
V4: Sylvania
V5: RCA Clear Top

Lemme know what you guys think....any comments or suggestions are welcome!!!

 
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Bumping this to the front page so I don't have to search/look for it.....yes, I'm a lazy bastard....:D
 
I've been busy but I'm getting ready to start up again.
(Story of my life, btw).
 
Here's a quick-n-dirty attemp on a Plexi sound using Greg's amp clip as a guide.....

I'm slaving my DSL-1 H into my Egnater Tweaker, settings are (using a guitar cable from the DSL's speaker out > FX return on the T15...and no, it won't hurt either amp doing this, if you're wondering, you can actually run the DSL-1 without a speaker/load & not hurt/damage the amp at all...I could even use cab sims/impulses for silent recording with the DSL-1 :) ):
DSL-1:
Green channel
Bass: 5
Mid: 5
Treb: 5
Gain: 4
Vol: 4
Deep & Tone Shift buttons off

T15:
Master: 6-7
Vintage switch
(the "Modern/Vintage" switch & master volume are the only things that work on the T15 when slaving the DSL into it....)



While I think it's fairly close, there's still something missing from my clip compared to Greg's, but, there are a lot of variables (player, guitar, p'ups, room, etc.), so really, I think it's about as close as I'm gonna get with my gear, without pulling my hair out over this....

One thing I do like a lot about slaving the amps, is I can get the T15's power tubes saturating, which makes for a lot of different tones....

Lemme know what you guys think, probably gonna move on to another amp/tone (I've got a bunch of clips of different amps already, & should have some killer clips of another Plexi & JCM 800 in a few days....)
 
Yes that's pretty damn close. It's very good on it's own. I agree it's missing something though, and to me, once again, it's the chunky low end. If you're comparing it to mine, in my opinion, mine has more fullness to it. More depth, roundness, chunk, dimension, power, whatever. The crunchy base tone is very similar, it's just missing the balls. I'm thinking it's simply a combination of power and cab size. Slaving into the Tweaker seems to be a cool trick. I still think you should try the deep switch and different mic placement. I hate the deep switch on the bigger DSLs, but on yours that might be all you need. Or get a big ol cab. For example, you ever heard a Class 5 into a 4x12? The Class 5 on it's own is okay, but it's kind of small sounding because it IS small. Put it into a 4x12 with soft speakers like Greenbacks, and it suddenly sounds pretty huge. Get a 4x12! :D
 
Thanks Greg,
Yeah, it's missing a little of the "chunk", but there's a little something different in the mids too, I just can't seem to dial it in, & I've noticed a lot of the big amps have this too (especially in the last week or so, listening to clips of "big" amps closely, & A/B'ing 'em to my clips). But really, hell, it's pretty close, & in a mix, I doubt anyone would be able to tell (or care for that matter)...

On the mic placement, I did move the mic just a hair toward the edge of the speaker, which seemed to help, maybe I need to move it a little more, I dunno. I didn't try the deep switch, as it adds quite a bit of noise/rumble (everybody that owns the DSL-1 that I've asked has confirmed this too....), & it's even more prominent slaving into the T15...

All in all, I think it's close enough though, & time to move on to another tone...

Slaving the DSL > Tweaker is cool I think, I have to watch my levels on the DSL, or it overloads & squeals/has feedback, even using the ISO cab (not the good kind/controlled feedback either btw)...But, it does open up a lot of tonal possibilities when the levels are set right, especially using the power tube saturation....

And, I'm thinking really hard on getting a 4x12, that'd be "half" of the "big" amp/rig I'd been talking about getting. I'll just have to wait a little while & see though, it'd kinda defeat even having the ISO cab, but, might be what I've been missing all along....

Thanks again dude, back to the tone chase!!!
 
The deep switch does suck on the big DSLs. I hate it. It's terrible. The mid shift sucks too, but that's something different entirely. The new chinese DSLs have a resonance knob which is way better than the deep switch. My JVM has a resonance knob and it's great. It's essentially a low end presence. I never use it, but it's way better than a deep switch. Having said that, the deep switch might be great on your one watt version.

I think a 4x12 is your answer. Even lower powered heads sound better to me through a 4x12.
 
OK, just couldn't put it away until I had another go at it, so here it is, lemme know if the bottom end's any closer.....

 
I think that's a little better. The low end is thicker but it does sort of flub out a little. Is this with the deep switch engaged? I hear what you mean with the mids too. I might have figured something out, or maybe I'm just stupid. Probably both. I've got yours and mine playing at the same time. It's a mess of sound but you can really hear the differences. I'm finding your mids and highs are more "scratchy" sounding. Not to be overly general, but yours sounds very "American" and I'm wondering if slaving the DSL to the Tweaker's power section is coloring the sound that way. I looked up the specs and your Tweaker has 6V6 power tubes? That could be your scratchy Fender/Mesa like top end. It's not the chimy singing mids and highs of my EL34s. 6L6/6V6 power tubes are an American sound! That's Fender stuff man! Lol. I wonder if you can convert that Tweaker to use EL84s. Those will push/pull roughly the same wattage and sound significantly more "British" and will definitely "Marshall" your sound up a bunch. Get modding!

This is of course simply based off my clip compared to yours. I'm not in any way saying mine is the be-all-end-all of anything. I'm just comparing the two. I think it's an interesting exercise and an educational waste of time. :D
 
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