The New Tone Thread

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Indeed I used Fender amps for about 10 years...I was always tweeking and trying to get more bottom end from them, I sold them and got a Laney and then got Marshall Plexi 1987 and never looked back! My buddy used Mesa's he had a Dual rectifier...nice but still didn't have that killer tone I craved..even he sold his and started using his 84 JMP again...I have been using EMG's ever since they came out and I have original S1's (they don't even make anymore) in my 74/79 Strat....maybe that's why I got rid of my Fender amps....those EMG's and my Marshall are one hell of a combo!
 
Lt. Bob said:
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Maybe so ...... maybe so.
I'm kinda skeered to use it 'cause it's sorta a collectors item and my impression of it is that it's fragile. I know for sure it's built out of crap parts ..... little teeny TINY pots ...... a freakin' chip the size of a credit card just for MIDI switching .... where ya' gonna get one of those if it goes out and you're stuck on whatever channel it was last on?
So I'm askeered of it blowing up and then being worthless.


But maybe I ought to use it to get an idea of whether that's what I want.
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I too was like this....and then I thought...I could die in a car wreck or who knows and never really enjoyed my old Marshall and my beloved old 74 Strat..or my old SG...so I play them every every time! Not using them because they might break is silly... they might not! Key word "might".
 
nasticanasta said:
I too was like this....and then I thought...I could die in a car wreck or who knows and never really enjoyed my old Marshall and my beloved old 74 Strat..or my old SG...so I play them every every time! Not using them because they might break is silly... they might not! Key word "might".
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well ..... first off I have currently 14 good tube amps and all I've done is gig for 45 years. And I have absolutely gigged with this Marshall.
It's not like your old Marshalls. It's a modern POS with crap parts and a crap design. It's possibly worth a couple of grand to the right person and I need that money FAR more than I need yet another amp.
And it WILL break ..... no might about it. I have gigged nightly for 45 years so of course I used the thing when I got it ..... I wouldn't have bought it for anything else. ..... but it has already broken down a couple of times which is why i don't use it.
Anything that breaks on a gig more than once will never see the stage again with me.
I need my amps to work every single night without fail 7 nights a week.
If I decide to go Marshall it won't be with this piece of junk.
 
antichef said:
Lt. - what is it?
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It's a 1992 30th Anniversary 6101 combo in the blue tolex with the 200 watt EV speaker. They only did that speaker and the blue tolex one year.
It sounds pretty good but it's unreliable.

I don't worry 'bout my stuff getting stolen at gigs because if it did that would mean they killed me since I'm usually at any gig my stuff is at!
:D
 
Lt. Bob said:
It's a 1992 30th Anniversary 6101 combo in the blue tolex with the 200 watt EV speaker. They only did that speaker and the blue tolex one year.
It sounds pretty good but it's unreliable.

I don't worry 'bout my stuff getting stolen at gigs because if it did that would mean they killed me since I'm usually at any gig my stuff is at!
:D
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You could sell that amp right now, today, at the marshall forum.
 
Greg_L said:
You won't get a couple grand for it though. Maybe like 700-900?
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SOLD!!!
:laughings:

guess I need to go to the Marshall forum. :D

Honestly though ...... I may try Craigslist first because I'm a little leery of shipping a fragile tube amp cross country.
 
Lt. Bob said:
SOLD!!!
:laughings:

guess I need to go to the Marshall forum. :D

Honestly though ...... I may try Craigslist first because I'm a little leery of shipping a fragile tube amp cross country.
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Collect the money then it aint your problem.

So what kind of Marshall do you think you'd be interested in? :D
 
I dunno ........ maybe something in the 35-50 watt range. I'm not sure what's out there. I would prefer it be a combo and I'm really only interested in carrying around a single 12" so that prolly limits it quite a bit though a small head and a cab would be ok.

Actually ...... I think if I sold the Marshall I'd look real hard at that Hughes and Kettner Tubemiester 33 or 38 or howeever many watts it may be.
 
Lt. Bob said:
I dunno ........ maybe something in the 35-50 watt range. I'm not sure what's out there. I would prefer it be a combo and I'm really only interested in carrying around a single 12" so that prolly limits it quite a bit though a small head and a cab would be ok.

Actually ...... I think if I sold the Marshall I'd look real hard at that Hughes and Kettner Tubemiester 33 or 38 or howeever many watts it may be.
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One of those would probably suit you way better than any Marshall combo in that wattage range. You know Marshalls are great at what they do, but they can only do pretty much one thing well.

The DSL40 could work for you, but it's a big combo. The JVM215C could be even better.
 
Greg_L said:
One of those would probably suit you way better than any Marshall combo in that wattage range. You know Marshalls are great at what they do, but they can only do pretty much one thing well.

The DSL40 could work for you, but it's a big combo. The JVM215C could be even better.
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jvm215c looks pretty cool actually but it's big dollars.
To be honest .... if I sold the Marshall I'd prolly use the money to pay bills and then it'd be gone so maybe I should just use the damned thing!
 
Lt. Bob said:
jvm215c looks pretty cool actually but it's big dollars.
To be honest .... if I sold the Marshall I'd prolly use the money to pay bills and then it'd be gone so maybe I should just use the damned thing!
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I liked that one clip you made with it.


Hey I know you're not a fan of rolling preamp tubes, and I mostly agree, but have you ever played with power tubes? I was listening to some clips of a Marshall DSL with EL34's and KT77's. Huge difference. I can't say one was better than the other, but they were certainly much different. I wonder what mods need to be done to run KT77's in an EL34 amp.

Edit: http://www.thetubestore.com/JJ-KT77
They seem to be a drop in replacement to EL34's. Hmmmmm.
 
Looks interesting - I might try it. I gotta believe you'd need a bias adjustment. Did those 200 watt Marshall Majors use KT77s?
 
Greg_L said:
I liked that one clip you made with it.


Hey I know you're not a fan of rolling preamp tubes, and I mostly agree, but have you ever played with power tubes? I was listening to some clips of a Marshall DSL with EL34's and KT77's. Huge difference. I can't say one was better than the other, but they were certainly much different. I wonder what mods need to be done to run KT77's in an EL34 amp.

Edit: www.thetubestore.com - JJ KT77 Audio Tubes
They seem to be a drop in replacement to EL34's. Hmmmmm.
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I'm not against it ...... I just have never usually found it to be a night and day difference.
But it can be. I did find one old GE 12ax7 that freakin' transformed my Blues Junior from a useless POS to an actual useful amp.
I sorta wish I had it back which is why I'm ambivalent about selling my amps.
It's not enough money in the grand scheme of things to really make much difference and then they're gone forever.


Those KT77s look interesting because one of the things I have grown to dislike about EL34's is how mushy they sound and these are supposed to be tighter and less compressed ... as you say ...... hmmmmmm. And not expensive either so I may try those ..... especially in my Ampeg Reverbrocket
Those old Ampegs I got?
Seems to me I have all the parts needed right there to build a bunch of killer DIY amps using way larger than normal trannies and such.

I just don't know ...... but our finances are dire enough that I may still sell something . whi knows.
 
antichef said:
Looks interesting - I might try it. I gotta believe you'd need a bias adjustment. Did those 200 watt Marshall Majors use KT77s?
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says it's the same bias as an EL34
And I had a Marshall Major ..... another amp I wish I had back. I thought they used KT88's or maybe 6550's but I'm not sure and too lazy to look it up. :D
 
Not that I'm unhappy with my tones now, but I'd certainly try the KT77's since nothing needs to be changed. I like the way they sounded in the clips I heard. Not as compressed as EL34's but not as loose as 6L6's either. Right in the middle.
 
Greg_L said:
Not that I'm unhappy with my tones now, but I'd certainly try the KT77's since nothing needs to be changed. I like the way they sounded in the clips I heard. Not as compressed as EL34's but not as loose as 6L6's either. Right in the middle.
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yeah ...... that's actually a pretty attractive middle ground to me.
 
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