The New Tone Thread

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Greg_L said:
Thanks dude. Whaddaya mean you don't like distorted guitars? Are you a commie or something? :D

These are a fair amount cleaner than what I usually roll with.
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Hmm.... I should say I don't like it alone, as I like Hendrix and Zeppelin and other bands using distortion. I just find it a little piercing when played without other instruments.
 
Lt. Bob said:
never thought I'd find myself remarking on how much brighter a 57 was. :D

That's WAY better to my ears ...... to me that e609 tone would be good for some mellow floydish stuff which means you'll prolly never use it but, IF you ever found yourself wishing you had a keyboard sorta background chordal track you might put a little chorus on that and it would work I think.

But really ..... for your sound I can see why that mic would stay in the mic drawer.

What about drums ? .... not really good for that either?
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Lol. I haven't tried it yet on the snare. Maybe this week.

Yeah, upon further review, I think the e609 is technically as bright as the 57, but the 57's much fuller mids just make it sound way better. I mean I changed nothing but the mic, and got it as close to the same spot as I could. The difference is pretty astounding. I need to try the 609 on the V30's again. The tamer mid presence from the mic might smooth out the V30's which I always find are kind of harsh.

Here's some more mindless jacking around with a cleaner setup and an overdrive pedal set for a clean boost. Please pardon the seriously atrocious playing. Lol. I can't tell if this is worth a fuck anymore as my ears are pretty tired now.

Same guitar/amp/cab setup as the last clips.
SM 57 on Greenback at edge of dustcap
Gain - 2 w/ Boss SD-1 Super Overdrive (Drive 0 - Level max - Tone 12:00)
Master vol - 5

Greg Townshit
 
sounds good - bright, but not as bright as the brightybrightness I've been putting out. Edge of cone for me from now on. Where did you get the greenbacks - were they in the cab when you bought it?
 
Thanks guys. Is it too bright? Like painfully bright? Seems okay to me. I like the bite of it. I think I got pretty close to a vintage sounding single coil Marshall crunch once I hit the pedal. My ears are still pretty tired though. I've been playing the LP for the past hour. :o :thumbs up:

antichef - I got this Marshall 1960a loaded with four G12T-75's. They're the standard 1960a speaker from the 80's on up. I found a dude on Craigslist out in Pasadena, Tx wanting to trade his entire Fender 4x12 w/ Greenbacks for a Marshall 1960a w/ G12T75's. He just wanted these speakers. I've been looking for a deal on Greenbacks for a while, so his ad caught my eye but i didn't want to give up my whole cab. Knowing that Greenbacks and G12T-75's play very well together, I sent him an email asking if he'd be interested in a 2-for-2 trade instead, not expecting him to go for it. He did. So I yanked two of my G12T-75's, drove way the fuck out to Pasadena, and we made the swap. Now I have a 1960a with Greenbacks and G12T-75's in an X pattern. It sounds like it came from the gods. It is pure Marshally righteousness. I looooove the Greenbacks. So with this cab, and my 2x12 with Vintage 30's, I've got a nice selection of speakers to choose from for miking. If you wanna bring that JMP over, well come on. :D

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wow - sweet story. I've got a total of 8 G12T-75s - 4 each in a JCM-800 1960A and a JCM-900 1960B, and now 4 V-30s in an Orange cab, but no Greenbacks. I was thinking about switching the JCM-900 cab out with Greenbacks, but it hadn't even occurred to me to just use two, which would be cheaper and leave me with fewer spares. Definitely looking into that.

The JMP is still at the spa, but it should be ready soon. I got a wah pedal today, and when I get the JMP back, I'm going to spend all my time learning to play '70's pr0n soundtrack music, then a gig where I hope to play a lot of this music (i ordered a purple leisure suit and sparkly disco shirt), then I should be able to get out and about - would be cool to hear it through greenbacks.

edit: I'm trying to follow the wiring in that picture - are some of those wires dangling?
 
antichef said:
wow - sweet story. I've got a total of 8 G12T-75s - 4 each in a JCM-800 1960A and a JCM-900 1960B, and now 4 V-30s in an Orange cab, but no Greenbacks. I was thinking about switching the JCM-900 cab out with Greenbacks, but it hadn't even occurred to me to just use two, which would be cheaper and leave me with fewer spares. Definitely looking into that.

The JMP is still at the spa, but it should be ready soon. I got a wah pedal today, and when I get it back, I'm going to spend all my time learning to play '70's pr0n soundtrack music, then a gig where I hope to play a lot of this music, then I should be able to get out and about - would be cool to hear it through greenbacks.
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Dude we live in the same town. Let me know when you have a gig. I'll come check you out. Or if you ever wanna grab a beer or a bite or something.
 
Greg_L said:
Dude we live in the same town. Let me know when you have a gig. I'll come check you out. Or if you ever wanna grab a beer or a bite or something.
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absolutely - next gig is still a little iffy, but Feb 9. I'll let you know if it's really on. And other than that, I'll let you know if I'm headed west-ish
 
Cool yeah let me know. Im out in your part of town pretty regularly.There ain't nothing out here but suburban cowboys and strip malls. Lol.
 
Thanks for the comments on my last clip guys....Greg was right, it was tracked at low volume, more pre-amp than power saturation, but hopefully in a few days, I'll be able to crank my amp, without bothering my wife.......I'm building an ISO box (just putting one of my 1x12 cabs in it, with a mic, & 3" of Roxul on all sides.........if this "version" of my ISO doesn't work, I'm gonna build another box similar to the Randall/Jet City ISO's & put it inside the box I should finish up this week.....), & finally have all the materials, just need to find the time to finish it up. It's hard to do anything when I've been working 16 hour shifts off & on for the last few weeks....Plus, my wife's sick, about to have surgery, so she's my main priority right now....

Back to the amp/cab/mic thing, once I get my setup to where I can crank my amp without bothering her, I plan on buying a couple more amp heads, I've been looking at the Marshall DSL 15H, but I've heard they're (Marshall) coming out with another new amp or two pretty soon, so I'm kinda waiting to see what they've got up their sleeve. Should find out in a couple/few weeks about Marshall's new stuff......

And, if I can get the ISO to work for me, I may even buy a full size head (50/100 watter) to use with it.....I'd have to get a really high wattage speaker of course, but will find out this weekend how well the homemade ISO box is actually gonna cut the noise level in my home. I have did some experimenting with my closet setup, just stacking the cloth wrapped Roxul around the cab, & it does cut the noise level a lot, but not completely of course, it's not sealed/airtight.........

Should have some test clips this weekend, again, if I don't have to live at my workplace.....while it's really nice to know the company I work for needs me, & I have a little job security, it plain sucks working all these hours, with little sleep (maybe 3 hours when I work those long shifts....)....that shit catches up with me, I used to do that all the time when I was a little younger, suppose age is creeping up on me, cause it just kicks my ass.....sorry to go off topic there......

Greg: The new clip sounds pretty good IMO, would work well in a mix, & actually sounds a lot like Pete's tone on that song to me......
 
antichef said:
lol - fixed my location - I was using apple maps
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Lol. Nice. We're holding it down in Satan's nether regions.



Got back to work today on dialing in some good sounds with the Vintage 30's. The Greenbacks seem to like the mic anywhere, the G12T-75's are a bit more finicky, but not much. Off-axis is the answer for them. The V30's have pretty much tormented me since I got them. I've gotten some good sounds with them, but nothing that has blown me away. I think I reached a turning point today. Will post up clips tomorrow.
 
Greg_L said:
Lol. Nice. We're holding it down in Satan's nether regions.



Got back to work today on dialing in some good sounds with the Vintage 30's. The Greenbacks seem to like the mic anywhere, the G12T-75's are a bit more finicky, but not much. Off-axis is the answer for them. The V30's have pretty much tormented me since I got them. I've gotten some good sounds with them, but nothing that has blown me away. I think I reached a turning point today. Will post up clips tomorrow.
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that's so funny ...... I really like everything thru my Mesa Black Shadow which I was told was simply a rebadged V30.
Maybe it's not?
But I also go for a different thing than you do. A more universal sound that can fit in anything with less edge to it than you get. Does that sound like something your V30's would do well?
I kinda have a cross-genre sound because I go from one style to another song to song.
 
Lt. Bob said:
that's so funny ...... I really like everything thru my Mesa Black Shadow which I was told was simply a rebadged V30.
Maybe it's not?
But I also go for a different thing than you do. A more universal sound that can fit in anything with less edge to it than you get. Does that sound like something your V30's would do well?
I kinda have a cross-genre sound because I go from one style to another song to song.
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Well.....it's difficult to describe. I've always liked the V30's, I just haven't super-successfully recorded them yet. Not to my 100% satisfaction anyway. Granted, I have not spent as much time with them as I have the other two. There's a specific something that I want in my sound. I don't go for a wide variety of sounds. The Greenbacks and G12T-75's both easily achieve sounds I like. They just seem to go with a Marshall's voicing. They sound right. The V30's to me aren't voiced to accentuate and compliment the nuances of a Marshall. That's just to my ears. I think V30's are pretty midrangey speakers, and Marshalls are pretty midrangey amps, so to me the two are just a barrage of mids and it gets harsh unless the amp is really overdriven. I think they act the same with Orange amps too. Higher end Orange cabs come with V30's, but to me an Orange + V30 is brutally harsh and middy. But V30's with an "American" style amp like a Fender or Mesa sound incredible. So there's really nothing wrong with my V30's, I just need to wrap my head around them and get past my own tonal hangups. I need to accept them as a totally different flavor and not expect my typical ideal sound out of them. I will say this about them, they sound incredible for cleans and leads. I track pretty much all of my leads through the V30 cab.
 
That all makes sense.
An Orange is midrange to the tenth power.

And I have always had a fondness for a mid-heavy sound. In fact, that's one of the things I've never liked about Fenders ..... they lack that sorta British bonk which is in the mids.
But actually ..... lol, believe it or not, my sound is evolving quite a bit right now. Wouldn't think it would be for as long as I've done it but I'm headed ..... somewhere with my sound and I'm not really sure what it is I'm looking for.
 
Lt. Bob said:
That all makes sense.
An Orange is midrange to the tenth power.

And I have always had a fondness for a mid-heavy sound. In fact, that's one of the things I've never liked about Fenders ..... they lack that sorta British bonk which is in the mids.
But actually ..... lol, believe it or not, my sound is evolving quite a bit right now. Wouldn't think it would be for as long as I've done it but I'm headed ..... somewhere with my sound and I'm not really sure what it is I'm looking for.
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Use your Marshall! :D

Yeah I like the midrange of brit style amps. Marshalls, Vox, Laney, and some Orange heads sound really cool. The Orange Rockerverb is badass! To me there's a distinct difference between those amps and something like Fenders or Mesas. Fender cleans are like the holy grail of cleans, but that's about all they're really good for IMO. I don't have much experience with clean Mesa tones, but the Dual/Triple Recs and Roadkings and shit always seem to be paired up with a Vintage 30 cab. Why? I dunno, but I suspect the V30's midrange helps to balance out the beefy smiling EQ voicing of the amp, because Mesa's sound like shit through other cabs/speakers. Overdriven Mesas through V30 cabs sound thick and tasty. Mesas through Marshall cabs sounds like poo. Mesa's need V30's. This is just my opinion.
 
Greg_L said:
Use your Marshall! :D

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:D
Maybe so ...... maybe so.
I'm kinda skeered to use it 'cause it's sorta a collectors item and my impression of it is that it's fragile. I know for sure it's built out of crap parts ..... little teeny TINY pots ...... a freakin' chip the size of a credit card just for MIDI switching .... where ya' gonna get one of those if it goes out and you're stuck on whatever channel it was last on?
So I'm askeered of it blowing up and then being worthless.


But maybe I ought to use it to get an idea of whether that's what I want.
 
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