Tascam M520 Story...

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Tascam M-520

Greetings Guys.
Thanks for all this informative posts, i just bought a M-520 and i'll go through the alimentation recap very soon. May i ask if there is a good op-amp mod that i can do? i'm sure this info is somewhere in this post, but as i'm not so fluent in english i couldnt find it.

Also questions to sweetbeat, should i put a lot of DeOx in the faders and pots or should i use very little?? I will change 4 lightbulbs as you did, is there a difference between old ones and new ones ? (brightness difference)

I really want to bring this desk to the top, so any hints would be much appreciated
many thanks :)
 
Greetings!

What I'm recommending at this point is, rather than going through the trouble of trying to recreate the plug-in type lamps like I did (since they are unavailable at least as far as I've found and it was a PITA to do what I did), to just get these and solder them in:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=070-275

They should be the same or similar level of lumens.

Opamp mods? I can't really offer any strong recommendations as I've become a bid jaded to upgrading opamps unless there is really a reason that you NEED to do it. If you are just having fun tinkering then that's something different, but if you are thinking you're going to make a race-horse out of it its not worth the risk...opamp upgrades are not a silver bullet. I upgraded opamps in a couple of channel strips on a rptotype Tascam mixer I have from the same era as the M-500 series mixers and I actually like the stock channels better. I now own a Soundtracs MX 32 x 8 mixer and what I've heard from folks who have sorked with these mixers for decades in repairs and mods is that customers who had their mixers modded actually reverted them back to stock because the "improvements" actually took away the character they liked in the board. There is no such thing as a true drop-in upgrade for anything in my opinion. An operational amplifier does not operate in a vacuum or on an island. How it behaves is directly linked to many factors of the incoming signal, the components in the feedback loop(s) as well as the circuitry on the output side, so upgrades are circuit dependent in terms of performance or problems. What I've learned is that I'm nowhere near smart enough to be able to quantitatively assess a stock chip's performance and then compare the upgrade and be able to diagnose and suggest how to address issues...and I'm not even sure my ears are good enough to throw all the quantitive stuff aside and say "I don't care what the scope says...It sounds better!" Quite the opposite I guess because on my prototype board I liked the stock channels better.

While there is no true "drop-in" upgrade for anything (again, IMHO, and what I mean by "drop-in" is that you can swap the chip and get guaranteed positive results with no issues or additional changes needed in the circuitry), there are conservative upgrades that are relatively safe. On the M-500 series mixers you can use OPA2134's in place of any TL072's. You'll find the 072's used for the mic head amp (U1) as well as the EQ (U5, U6). The biggest performance improvements might be had in the summing amps and in the monitor mixer since everything has to go through that stage during mixing on the M-500's, but I never got far enough into research to tell you what you could use. evm1024 MAY get into that at some point but I couldn't tell you when if ever he will. I'm pretty sure it is a very low priority for him at this point. The big question is related to anywhere Tascam used the NJM4556 chips...they used those, for instance, on the input channels for the output amp U7 which drives every output path and so Tascam spec'ed the 4556 there since it has massive drive (70mA IIRC) and the question is how much of that 70mA is really needed? If all of it is needed (potentially) then there isn't much you could put there. If it was just grossly over-engineered in the event you were feeding all 8 busses, all 4 auxes and the solo buss wide open simultaneously and there wasn't anything in between the lower power chips and the 4556 then there are lots of options there, including the OPA2134 which has (IIRC...no spec sheet in front of me) something like 35mA output, but where we left it was that we'd have to put a 2134 in there and crank everything up and scope the output for distortion. I hope that helps.

I flush the pots with DeoxIT F5 (use the F5 stuff since it is designed for resistive element potentiometers) using the holes in the pot body...you have to completely remove the CPB from the mixer to do this properly...squirt it in there, exercise it and then flush with another healthy shot and set the PCB so the excess can drain out of the holes. With the faders my favorte thing to do is actually disassembly the faders and hose the element down and gently wipe up the yuck with a soft cloth, hose down again etc. until it comes clean...spray the wiper and gently wipe till clean and then at least just wipe the element with a cloth wettened with the DeoxIT. The faders on my M-520 would not have been easy to remove. Get all the yuck off the top of the fader. Gently blow out yuck from inside with a little compressed air, and then spray the DeoxIt up in there and exercise it. I'm assuming you are asking because you are having trouble with your pots and faders? If they are not scratchy leave them alone is my opinion.
 
Hi all.

I'm new here. A first yr Audio Student and proud owner of an M-520(as you may have already guessed!).

I was lucky enough to have a friend of a friend donate his old desk to me as he is upgrading and building a full analogue studio under his new house.

Anyhow! I have read through this thread eagerly after information regarding my new "Mistress".
So far I have a manual in pdf, missing pages 43-44 and no schematics after page 58 or so.

I was wondering if someone could help?

By the way SweetBeats, She looks gorgeous!

about to start the cleaning process myself, only really a couple of scratchy pots to deal with and general grime.

And missing 16 bridge/jump pins too! Any ideas? (patch leads?)


Thanks for all the info so far!

Paul
 
Wow...

Been awhile since I've seen somebody shove this old thread. :)

Welcome and congrats!

You can use a short RCA-->RCA cable for the ACCESS/SEND jacks...totally fine.
 
M-520 VU Lamps

Hi

Can anyone send me the link to order these bulbs from Tascam?
Thanks, Tony
 
Take your pick...

web form: http://www.tascam.com/contact/parts/
email: parts@teac.com
phone: (323) 727-4840

Got all that info right from their website at www.tascam.com

Be prepared that the lamps are about $8 each and are not the same "snap-in" fuse-type lamps as stock. They are a solder-in type.

Go here for lamps that are just about $1 each + S&H...they are not frosted like the stock lamps but the difference is only slight.
 
THANKS

I really like this board it's got alot of functions,
 
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Lamp voltage

Hi Sweetbeats

The schematic shows 11vac, and every (2) lamps are in series, which in theory the voltage would be 5.5v each. Is the reason selecting the 8v rather then the 6v for illumination compared to the org. lamp?

Thanks, Tony
 
Yes, that's correct...if you use the 6V lamps they will be brighter than the stock 8V lamps.
 
M-520 Configurations

M-520 owners

How is that board working for you? I am just making a stand than I will be setting it-up. I have protools hd w/(2) 96I/O interfaces, command 8, MCI-JH-110A 4trk 1/2" and some rack mic preamps, compressors. I don't know exactly how I will be doing the routing yet, this is really the first real mixer I have owned. I don't like the RCA connectors on the mixer, looks like I will be making some modifications on my cables. All my I/O's on the 96I/O interfaces are 1/4" ring tip sleeve (balanced), and XLR on the deck. Would like to here if anyone has a set-up like this with this Mixer.

Thanks, Tony
 
60hz hum

Well I got everything hooked up, I am happy with the board, adds punch/color to the digital outs. I do notice a slight 60hz hum when I begin to crank the master fader up, Can anyone tell me if this is due to the caps in the power supply being faulty?

Thanks, Tony
 
-- I do notice a slight 60hz hum when I begin to crank the master fader up, Can anyone tell me if this is due to the caps in the power supply being faulty? ---

Oh yes.

Get the all the P/S caps changed out and it will be as quiet as a mouse (not Mickey though).

Just ask Cory.
 
60hz hum

Hey Cory

Do you think by replacing the PS caps it will reduce the 60hz hum?

Thanks Tony
 
That kind of noise can enter the audio path in lots of ways...you have to try and isolate where it is noisiest...if it is everywhere then sure it is possible that it is getting through at the power source. If you have an oscilloscope you can check the power rails at the multi-pin output on the PSU chassis and see if you can see it there. The reduction in the noise floor that I experienced after recapping was broadband noise, not 60Hz. You could have a bad rectifier too. Again, an oscilloscope would tell you a lot.

Tell us more about your power situation...can you confirm an earth ground at or near the breaker panel? Do you have all your audio gear on one circuit and tied to the same ground? Do you have power cords in amidst the audio cables?
 
60hz hum

Hi Cory

I have a dedicated circuit with an isolated ground.
My power cables are separated from the audio cables.
It seems the hum becomes apparent when I crank the master up, and the buss levels, increasing the faders/trim will not.
 
The $10,000 question is how loud is program material when you have the buss and master levels "cranked"? And conversely how loud is the hum when the levels are set for nominal listening level? The reason I ask is that sometimes hum and noise is not an issue in the real world.

I would be helpful to know quantitatively what the noise floor is of the mixer.

Do you have a true RMS voltmeter? If so, get some 150ohm resistors, stuff them in the sockets for pins 1 and 3 of all the mic jacks, set all the channels to MIC, set the trims to about 2 o'clock, EQ out, channels all "ON", channel faders to unity (shaded area or "0"), route all channels to group 1, raise the group 1 fader to unity, set the monitor mixer channel #1 to "buss" and turn the LEVEL pot to about 2 o'clock, select MON in the monitor select switchrack, raise the STEREO A master to unity and then set your meter to AC volts and measure the voltage present between the tip and shield of one of the STEREO A output jacks.
 
Spare Knobs for a Tascam m-512

Hi

Does anyone have (1)balance knob, and (1)balance knob cap, both gray, also (1)cap for the EQ knob, orange. If anyone has any of these how much would you be willing to sell them for?

Sweet beats, your right about the background noise, really not a an issue unless you crank the master fader all the way up, which I will not be doing.

Thanks, Tony
 
Does anyone have (1)balance knob, and (1)balance knob cap, both gray, also (1)cap for the EQ knob, orange. If anyone has any of these how much would you be willing to sell them for?

Sending you a PM.
 
Hello all. I've been following this thread for some time. Thanks for all the great info. I picked up a M-520 about a year ago or so. Haven't used it much since this last month as I now have a space to have gear set up again. I've mainly just have some stuff hooked up to my monitors for now and haven't done any recording quite yet. Though I have enjoyed it!

Anyone care to comment on what would be better quality/sound between the M-520 and a Ramsa WR-S4424? There is one locally available for $200. Is a step up from the M-520? The Ramsa would be a little bit smaller in size as well as weight: 60.5 lbs. vs the 100+ weight of the Tascam!

Or on the other hand would I be better off with something new like a Allen & Head ZED 14 or 420?
 
M520 bus issue

I just picked up the M520 in great shape. I have the recommended routing from the manual but have 1 issue I cant figure out. I cannot seem to get any sound or meter when I assign to bus 2. All the other busses work fine and if im on channel strip 2 and assign to bus 2 I get nothing. I can assign to other busses from channel 2. It seems to be confined to bus 2 no matter which strip I use. I can hear a small amount of sound if I turn the volume wayyyy up but its barely recognizable. Does this sound like just a contact issue or something far worse? Thanks
 
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