Studio Projects and Neumann

[noisedude]

DJL and gnawing your own face off ... is one better and why?

It's not that so much as ... why does this thread have to be here anyway? Does it serve any purpose other than for muppets on both sides to fling mud at each other?

 

[Mark7]

I'd have locked it by now.

 

[noisedude]

Yeah but you don't like condensers, so what do you know

We can have that debate another time ... I see your point but I still don't agree with you

 

[DJL]

Does it serve any purpose other than for muppets on both sides to fling mud at each other?

No... and that's the point.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

I'll try to contribute when (and where) I can, but I'm going to stay out of these threads in the future.

Harvey,

At the risk of being called a Brown Noser my previous post was not aimed at your goodself. It is just that I get so fed up of all the in-fighting that goes on. If it ever achieved something worthwhile it would not be in vain, but it never does.

Lets all get on with life!!!

Tony

Tony, I know your post wasn't aimed at me. It's just that I'm getting pretty tired of all the petty crap that goes on here as of late. So I'm backing off, big time. Dragon said he was gonna work on the problem, but new threads like this simply tell me he can't fix the problem easily.

It's not the same place it was a few years ago, and I guess that's pretty much how things are gonna be for the foreseeable future. Except for answering obscure stuff (like the old Turner mics question), I won't be supporting this forum much in the future. You still have some pretty great, knowledgable people here at the mic forum, if you'll just take the time to listen to them.

 

[ozraves]

Oz wuz here.

 

[chessrock]

Secondly, Harvey and Bear do not fall into this category as they both have years of experience with proven results.....

... Which is why I think you need to try and be a little more political.

In one of your earlier posts, you went and made sort of a lump statement not to trust the guys on the board with thousands of posts, etc. because "they don't have any hit records" to their credit, bla bla bla.

If I were Harvey, Sonusman, Bluebear, etc. ... I might take offense to that. There are a lot of guys on this board who I think you were directly slamming with that comment. And these are guys with experience and valid opinions, so I think you need to qualify your blanket statements a little more.

I could care less what you have to say about my skills or abilities, etc. I don't value your opinions, because frankly, I don't know of any of your accomplishments, nor do I know any of your musical tastes, or what you consider to be good engineering -- you're just a gear pimp in my book. A pretty good one, mind you, but still just a pimp.

 

[Marik]

While I haven't been "run off", it's certainly true that I just won't be posting here much in the future, precisely because of threads like this. I had hoped that Dragon would be able to stop this bickering, but it hasn't seemed to work.

I'm very tired of all the fighting and the name calling at HR. That may be fun for some of the posters here, but it's just not for me. I'll try to contribute when (and where) I can, but I'm going to stay out of these threads in the future.

Harvey,

Once I used to post a lot here, but left the board for a couple months, hoping that situation will change. It seems nothing has changed. The same people with the same tricks, same offensive behaviour, and same word twisting. Why would I want all this crap?
There are much more interesting things in life--microphones, for example, and there are plenty of professional boards, where people at least respect each other...

I don't value your opinions, because frankly, I don't know of any of your accomplishments, nor do I know any of your musical tastes, or what you consider to be good engineering -- you're just a gear pimp in my book. A pretty good one, mind you, but still just a pimp.

Chessrock,

Alan is a very good musician, with very keen ears. If you are interested, make a search on "The Lab" forum, where you can find some guitar tracks of him playing.
Yes, he is a businessman, but he has a very good understanding of microphones, miking, sound engineering, and acoustics. But most of all, he is just a very nice and graceful man.

See you later.

 

[robgb]

Hmmm, so what did everyone expect to happen in a thread called "Studio Projects and Neumann" anyway? IMO, the starter of this thread was/is trying to push SP mics down our throats and it was just begging for trouble before it even got started.

I started this thread, and that's just bullshit. I'm not trying to push anything down anyone's throat.

I put "AND Neumann" for the very reason that I didn't want it to become an SP VS. Neumann thread. I simply wanted to point out an interesting comparison I found on the web in which the SP mics faired pretty damn well. It does no harm to compare budget mics with the best -- because it gives you a reference point and, if you're so inclined, may help you save some bucks.

What the hell is wrong with that? If you can't afford a Rolls Royce, you don't necessarily HAVE to -- and that's my ONLY point. That some of you monkeys get your panties in a wad just demonstrates how friggin' petty you are.

So, please, don't try to tell me or anyone else what my motivation was.

If you don't like the thread, then friggin' drop it.

What a bunch of self-absorbed dicks.

 

[sdelsolray]

This thread, like many others in the past, didn't really provide much useful information. I don't know if I learned anything from it, which is how I typically rate threads in my own mind. I like the threads which help me learn.

Still, the central "unspoken" tension in this thread, and many like it, is money. The mics compared are ALWAYS compared in the context of money. Idealistically, it would be nice to compare gear based on the gear itself, and not the cost of that gear. That might be asking too much of a bunch of Western civilization folks.

So, I'm going to give it a try. I'm going to state my feelings and opinions about a microphone I own. Cost is not an issue.

Of all the multipattern solid state LDCs I've tried (over a dozen), the finest mic I have found for my uses (solo fingerstyle acoustic guitar and classical guitar) is the Microtech Gefell UMT800. It's sound is stunning, honest and clear. It uses the real M7 capsule. It is very forgiving in placement, always yielding an impressive and accurate recording of my instruments and playing. It takes eq very well, although it doesn't need much, if any at all. The figure 8 pattern is perfect - it cancels out completely when tested. It truly provides useful differences with its 5 patterns, and it's off axis response is stellar. And, most importantly, it looks really cool.

 

[ozraves]

This thread, like many others in the past, didn't really provide much useful information. I don't know if I learned anything from it, which is how I typically rate threads in my own mind. I like the threads which help me learn.

Still, the central "unspoken" tension in this thread, any many like it, is money. The mics compared are ALWAYS compared in the context of money. Idealistically, it would be nice to compare gear based on the gear itself, and not the cost of that gear. That might be asking too much of a bunch of Western civilization folks.

So, I'm going to give it a try. I'm going to state my feelings and opinions about a microphone I own. Cost is not an issue.

Of all the multipattern solid state LDCs I've tried (over a dozen), the finest mic I have found for my uses (solo fingerstyle acoustic guitar and classical guitar) is the Microtech Gefell UMT800. It's sound is stunning, honest and clear. It uses the real M7 capsule. It is very forgiving in placement, always yielding an impressive and accurate recording of my instruments and playing. It takes eq very well, although it doesn't need much, if any at all. The figure 8 pattern is perfect - it cancels out completely when tested. It truly provides useful differences with its 5 patterns, and it's off axis response is stellar. And, most importantly, it looks really cool.

Very funny. Now, you've got me wanting one.

I'd be curious to get your take on a Soundfield mic if you've gotten to try one.

 

[chessrock]

Alan is a very good musician, with very keen ears. If you are interested, make a search on "The Lab" forum, where you can find some guitar tracks of him playing.
Yes, he is a businessman, but he has a very good understanding of microphones, miking, sound engineering, and acoustics. But most of all, he is just a very nice and graceful man.

I suppose my "just a gear pimp" comment came off rather harsh. A better way of putting it would be: I really don't know Alan beyond his business persona and Studio Projects. I know him as a damn good (and unusually passionate) business man, though. I am interested in hearing things he has engineered and what his music tastes are, because I would like to know the qualifications behind some of his critisims of my capabilites.

 

[sdelsolray]

Very funny. Now, you've got me wanting one.

I'd be curious to get your take on a Soundfield mic if you've gotten to try one.

No, haven't tried the Soundfield. Isn't that the mic with 4 capsules which is used with some outboard processing gear for 5.1 applications?

 

[Harvey Gerst]

No, haven't tried the Soundfield. Isn't that the mic with 4 capsules which is used with some outboard processing gear for 5.1 applications?

Yes, and it's an amazing mic. Got a chance to record with it at the 2000 AES show for 4 solid days, and it was beautiful. I switched between that and the big Brauner mic, and the Soundfield always sounded bettter to me, even with Dirk Brauner placing the mics.

 

[jeffree]

Chess, your follow-up clarification (to Alan and others) is refreshing. I wish we had more of such consideration, even after the fact, in threads like this one. Thanks.

The damned sniping by certain folks just gets so tiring, especially when some of us are actually interested in the topic content of a thread. But that's life here, I guess.

J.

 

[DJL]

Our discussions are constantly being monitored by marketing entities.

I could care less what you have to say about my skills or abilities, etc. I don't value your opinions, because frankly, I don't know of any of your accomplishments, nor do I know any of your musical tastes, or what you consider to be good engineering -- you're just a gear pimp in my book. A pretty good one, mind you, but still just a pimp.

I see Alan is pulling his "I'm better than everyone" BS again in an attempt to try and discredit anyone who doesn't like his products. Alan can play a little guitar and turn a knob or two... but, he is a gear pimp and PMI Audio Group is here to sell their products and will say and do anything to sell their products... remember this is the same guy who tried to trick hr.com memebers into believing his JM27 was the same exact mic as the MXL603S.

 

[Mark7]

(Suddenly a group of naked hippies descends on the mic forum and starts singing)

Hippy Chorus:

"When the Moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
The Age of Aquarius
Aquarius!
Aquarius!

(DJL, Alan and the rest of the forum take off their clothes and join in )

 

[chessrock]

I see Alan is pulling his "I'm better than everyone" BS again in an attempt to try and discredit anyone who doesn't like his products.

That's kind of what I was worried / concerned about. I hope that isn't his motivation. I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but it does seem rather fishy that he seems to praise the capabilities of those who at least mildly champion him and his product.

I'm not accusing him of anything, but it raises some questions in my mind. I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt and just assume he's trying to be helpful. He is a passionate business person (and apparently a good axe slinger) who believes and stands by his product.

Speaking of which ... I really must say I have been very impressed with a lot of the mic manufacturers, lately. I think Oktava have stepped up the QC a bit over the past few years, for example. I know a bunch of guys who have bought from them recently, and haven't had a single dud. And they sound great, as the Oktavas always have.

Not to mention the fact that Shure and Audio Technica have brought prices down or have introduced models that are well within the financial reach of the project studio or hobbyist. And unlike a lot of the guys who try to emulate the German mics, the Shures, AT's and CADs have become studio mainstays in their own right; find a studio that doesn't have an AT 4050 in it's locker, and look at the many glowing comments you get from top engineers who use them all the time -- Joe Chiccarelli, Steve Albini, etc. etc.

 

[jeffree]

Jeez, DJL, I'm sure you don't care, but even I'm losing patience with your sniping in SP threads, and I've tried to be remain one of your supporters during times of complaint (free speech and all that).

But please, could you try, just for a month or two, not to derail any thread that touches upon SP or any topic that doesn't meet your personal approval?

I'll remind you: In my recent poll here, about 87% of the respondents (37, thus far) supported the input of retailers/manufacturers here as long as they identify themselves as such. i think most of us are smart enough to understand that "gear pimps" have an agenda, but that doesn't mean that we don't appreciate their input. We may disagree--and state so--but why attack them for contibuting their thoughts and sales pitch in a forum that, for the most part, enjoys seeing their take on things? I just don't understand your reasoning--maybe it's an emotional reaction that defies logic?

Ah well, I guess I'm just carrying on the derailment here myself, aren't I? Sorry about that, but even a basically patient guy like me has his limits.

J.

 

[cellardweller]

BUT...


Can anyone make their Neumanns sound like SP's?

Hmmm... well can you?
I didn't think so.