Studio Projects and Neumann

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:D Thanks! I can aspire to Neumann if I like ... but I'd rather aspire to being able to record better, and make the best buys I possibly can.
 
alanhyatt said:
Ok, so you don't believe what you read. Then why do you believe all those self proclaimed multi-million dollar a year salaried engineers that frequent this site with thousands of posts telling "you" what is good or not good? :eek:

Where do they find the time from making hit records to make all those posts. :cool: :)

You all need to trust your ears, especially if they are trained. If not, what ever you do will not sound great anyway no matter what you read or who you listen to. Understand your rooms may not be suitable for recording. Know that your skills may not be as good as others in mic placement and engineering. You may not even have your gear hooked up properly. Know that most of you are Home Recorders having fun, and trying to learn about this thing called recording.

Learn how to get the most of what you have, rather than simply thinking one mic is better than another because you can't get a good sound from it. No mic can do everything. You will always need a locker to go to. Any mic that works can be considered a good mic, no matter what it costs... No disrespect meant.... :)
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GODDAMN! You finally got it. (Now, we just have to work on the budget vs. high-end thing and we will be totally cured).
 
noisedude said:
Mark's got the right grip on things. No sense in being serious or talking sense - so he talks rubbish instead. Very mature of him! ;)
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Talking rubbish!? I'm deadly serious. I wouldn't use ANY condenser mic in a home studio; whether it's made by 797, AT or Dirk Brauner.
 
I know you're deadly serious ... and I seriously disagree but rather than argue, I'm just ridiculing you with the aim of diffusing the other arguments!! :o
 
Why do you disagree? Personally the last thing I'd want in a home studio is something as sensitive as a condenser.
 
Originally Posted by alanhyatt
Ok, so you don't believe what you read. Then why do you believe all those self proclaimed multi-million dollar a year salaried engineers that frequent this site with thousands of posts telling "you" what is good or not good?

Where do they find the time from making hit records to make all those posts.

You all need to trust your ears, especially if they are trained. If not, what ever you do will not sound great anyway no matter what you read or who you listen to. Understand your rooms may not be suitable for recording. Know that your skills may not be as good as others in mic placement and engineering. You may not even have your gear hooked up properly. Know that most of you are Home Recorders having fun, and trying to learn about this thing called recording.

Learn how to get the most of what you have, rather than simply thinking one mic is better than another because you can't get a good sound from it. No mic can do everything. You will always need a locker to go to. Any mic that works can be considered a good mic, no matter what it costs... No disrespect meant....
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You know Alan I would dare say that the people who don't know how to hook stuff up are not the ones who are giving their opinion about your mics. I'm pretty sure I have a handle on how to hook stuff up and I'm sure they do :) The ones who don't know how to hook stuff up usually don't render opinions but instead ask questions. I only speak about my experience with 2 of your products that I own. I only own your C1 and your B1. I can't speak about your other products since I have not used nor heard them. It doesn't insult me that you're taking the stance you are. That is the same stance that snake oil salesmen take when people question it's healing properties. They always find something to blame other than themselves or the oil.


Alan the C1 is an OK mic it's not a great mic. Many, many people don't like the harsh highend. When you visit other boards you'll find the same things being said in general about it. It still has uses that's why I haven't Ebayed mine but it does not compare to many of the $3000 mics and more that I own. I've run blind tests and it's never picked as anyones favorite sound. I have heard you have better mics and someday when I'm not busy I'm hoping to audition some.

Can you name any "multimillion" dollar a year engineers that use your C1 for a lead instrument or vox on any charting tune??

Any mic that works can be considered a good mic, no matter what it costs...
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Now that's a true statement!!
 
slobbermonster said:
Alan the C1 is an OK mic it's not a great mic. Many, many people don't like the harsh highend.
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I think this should be made a sticky. Also the guy who said if you can't hear an appreciable difference, buy new monitoring - has it spot on.

Studio projects is just another Chinese mic with great marketing. And a fizzly sizzly top end. (BTW I too only know the B1 and C1. Can't speak for the C3 T3 et al).
 
In defense of the SP mics, I don't think the fizzly high end is as pronounced as with a lot of others in it's class ... and it's actually pretty useful in situations that call for that kind of thing; namely in pop or R&B music. Certainly not for everything, but like Slobber mentioned earlier, it's not a doorstop by any stretch.
 
krs said:
Studio projects is just another Chinese mic with great marketing. And a fizzly sizzly top end.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even misguided ones...
 
slobbermonster said:
You know Alan I would dare say that the people who don't know how to hook stuff up are not the ones who are giving their opinion about your mics. I'm pretty sure I have a handle on how to hook stuff up and I'm sure they do :) The ones who don't know how to hook stuff up usually don't render opinions but instead ask questions. I only speak about my experience with 2 of your products that I own. I only own your C1 and your B1. I can't speak about your other products since I have not used nor heard them. It doesn't insult me that you're taking the stance you are. That is the same stance that snake oil salesmen take when people question it's healing properties. They always find something to blame other than themselves or the oil.


Alan the C1 is an OK mic it's not a great mic. Many, many people don't like the harsh highend. When you visit other boards you'll find the same things being said in general about it. It still has uses that's why I haven't Ebayed mine but it does not compare to many of the $3000 mics and more that I own. I've run blind tests and it's never picked as anyones favorite sound. I have heard you have better mics and someday when I'm not busy I'm hoping to audition some.

Can you name any "multimillion" dollar a year engineers that use your C1 for a lead instrument or vox on any charting tune??

Now that's a true statement!!
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krs said:
I think this should be made a sticky. Also the guy who said if you can't hear an appreciable difference, buy new monitoring - has it spot on.

Studio projects is just another Chinese mic with great marketing. And a fizzly sizzly top end. (BTW I too only know the B1 and C1. Can't speak for the C3 T3 et al).
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Right on... and by the way, I use to own other SP mics and you can throw the B1, B3, and C3 in with the C1. ;)
 
chessrock said:
I don't find Mr. Hyatt's statements to be very political.

For the most part, I agree with what he's saying ... but in a way it seemed like he was dissing a lot of people's abilities. And at the same time dissing the guys like myself who are trying to help people out by giving our opinions on stuff.

... especially when you consider that these same "million post" guys are very adamant about telling the newbs exactly the same kind of thing ; that skills and first-hand experience/trial with recording gear is more important than what guys like myself or Harvey or Bluebear or whomever say or think. And that there is no "better" or "best," etc.
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Well Chessrock, I am not trying to be political here. You and I never did see eye to eye anyway, but we are entitled to our points of view. For the record, I was not intending to diss any of the guys who need more experience...merely telling it like it is. Everyone was at that point at some time or another. If I am wrong, then certainly my apologies go out to them if they took it that way, but the reality is, the majority are here to learn. There are many more things they should learn about other than what mic is as good as another or not. Mics are mics, and in the hands of an experienced user, they are all good.

Secondly, Harvey and Bear do not fall into this category as they both have years of experience with proven results. On the other hand, I do not consider you part of that equation. Sorry if you are insulted, but when you put yourself on the same list as them, I have to draw the line. You are no Harvey Gerst. Harvey is da man in my book. He commands respect based on his knowledge.

As for my people skills...I tell it like it is. It seems the only people I offend are the same people I offend all the time. It seems to me you have often offended many people with your replies.

Yet, this seems to be the saga of HR as a result of a few posters here ensuring their opinions are heard. Shame really, but I guess this is just the way people are, and perhaps why the great ones have disappeared from this site. Then when one of the greats posts, they are run off with insults by the the very same posters who seem to want their opinions be heard. Go figure....
 
crazydoc said:
Sorry, but I think that's true, unless recording is very different than every other skilled trade or profession in life. A skillful person can make a purse out of a sow's ear most every time, but the unskilled will fuck up a piece of silk every time. I myself have been trained in several different areas where skill in performing the work is the the most important aspect of being able to do it, and where all the high end equipment in the world, although helping to reach higher levels of outcomes, won't help at all if you don't have the experience to use it.

In my memory, Harvey has never espoused the necessity of using high end gear - that's what has made him the single most valuable poster on these boards - he tells us how to do it with the lower end but adequate gear, and is all about acquiring skills, not gear.

Sure, it's nice to hear about the great gear, and the tricks of the trade, but a lot of folks get the idea from some posters here that they can't do good or even adequate work without the best of equipment, and that's simply not true.
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Thank you for your very kind remarks. I think the following thread sums up a lot of my basic feelings about mics and home recording:

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=408360&highlight=thoughts#post408360
 
I like that post Harvey. Succint.

Robgb, I dislike being told I'm misguided because my ears and monitoring is good enough to really hear tangible differences between a C1 and an 87. Maybe you should upgrade your monitoring before you start calling names.

It is also possible you got a stellar C1...I didn't. And remember - not all of us are cutting rock/pop. I'm not telling you should own Neumann. I'm simply saying SP doesn't work for me in my space with my cello and my gear. Please respect that.

Sincerely, Kirk
 
This thread has turned out to be "The Sequel to The Sequel" .
Can someone please point out to me the point of all this?
Are you all so desperate for a COCK FIGHT.
Jesus give it a Fookin break.

Best Regards XX

Tony
 
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alanhyatt said:
Well Chessrock, I am not trying to be political here. You and I never did see eye to eye anyway, but we are entitled to our points of view. For the record, I was not intending to diss any of the guys who need more experience...merely telling it like it is. Everyone was at that point at some time or another. If I am wrong, then certainly my apologies go out to them if they took it that way, but the reality is, the majority are here to learn. There are many more things they should learn about other than what mic is as good as another or not. Mics are mics, and in the hands of an experienced user, they are all good.

Secondly, Harvey and Bear do not fall into this category as they both have years of experience with proven results. On the other hand, I do not consider you part of that equation. Sorry if you are insulted, but when you put yourself on the same list as them, I have to draw the line. You are no Harvey Gerst. Harvey is da man in my book. He commands respect based on his knowledge.

As for my people skills...I tell it like it is. It seems the only people I offend are the same people I offend all the time. It seems to me you have often offended many people with your replies.

Yet, this seems to be the saga of HR as a result of a few posters here ensuring their opinions are heard. Shame really, but I guess this is just the way people are, and perhaps why the great ones have disappeared from this site. Then when one of the greats posts, they are run off with insults by the the very same posters who seem to want their opinions be heard. Go figure....
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Alan,

Thank you for the kind words. While I haven't been "run off", it's certainly true that I just won't be posting here much in the future, precisely because of threads like this. I had hoped that Dragon would be able to stop this bickering, but it hasn't seemed to work.

I'm very tired of all the fighting and the name calling at HR. That may be fun for some of the posters here, but it's just not for me. I'll try to contribute when (and where) I can, but I'm going to stay out of these threads in the future.
 
Harvey Gerst I'll try to contribute when (and where) I can said:
Harvey,

At the risk of being called a Brown Noser my previous post was not aimed at your goodself. It is just that I get so fed up of all the in-fighting that goes on. If it ever achieved something worthwhile it would not be in vain, but it never does.

Lets all get on with life!!!

Tony
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Radio Shack and Studio Projects... is one better than the other, and why?

Hmmm, so what did everyone expect to happen in a thread called "Studio Projects and Neumann" anyway? IMO, the starter of this thread was/is trying to push SP mics down our throats and it was just begging for trouble before it even got started.
 
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