Studio Projects and Neumann

[robgb]

Then there are newbies like myself that just wonder what the hell we're to believe. I mean, do we believe what people say is good about a product, or those that write a product is shitty.

Don't believe anything anyone tells you. Everybody has a different opinion.

Buy a mic and try it in your studio. If you think it sounds good, if you get good recordings with it, keep it. If not, return it or sell it on ebay.

Buying gear is a trial and error experience. I've spent thousands over the years, some of it well spent, some of it wasted.

I wish they'd had an ebay back when I bought my Yamaha QX1. Once it was too late to take it back, of course, Yamaha came out with the next generation, the price dropped a couple thousand bucks and the new unit did twice what the old one did. The salesman who took my three grand is lucky he's still alive....

 

[Mr Funk]

"If it sounds good, it IS good." Don't know who that quote is attributed to (my apologies), but it is so true...

I think this is Joe Meek, although he may have said, "if it sounds RIGHT... "?

 

[krs]

I think if you bother reading the posts, you'll find that nobody ever said the C1 is better than the U87.

Incorrect - PMI says it on their website.

 

[Stefan Elmblad]

I think if you bother reading the posts, you'll find that nobody ever said the C1 is better than the U87.

I did read all the posts, and I am fully aware of what's being said. Thanks anyway for being such a boyscout. That's sweet of you.

I think if you bothered reading my post, you'll find that I never qouted anyone saying that. That still doesn't mean people can't get the illusion from a thread like this.

 

[alanhyatt]

Incorrect - PMI says it on their website.

Ok, so you don't believe what you read. Then why do you believe all those self proclaimed multi-million dollar a year salaried engineers that frequent this site with thousands of posts telling "you" what is good or not good?

Where do they find the time from making hit records to make all those posts.

You all need to trust your ears, especially if they are trained. If not, what ever you do will not sound great anyway no matter what you read or who you listen to. Understand your rooms may not be suitable for recording. Know that your skills may not be as good as others in mic placement and engineering. You may not even have your gear hooked up properly. Know that most of you are Home Recorders having fun, and trying to learn about this thing called recording.

Learn how to get the most of what you have, rather than simply thinking one mic is better than another because you can't get a good sound from it. No mic can do everything. You will always need a locker to go to. Any mic that works can be considered a good mic, no matter what it costs... No disrespect meant....

 

[noisedude]

I still think people are looking at this all wrong. I couldn't give a damn what a £100 mic sounds like compared to a £2000 one. I'm not looking at £2000 ones.

The relevant comparisons for me are:
1. Other mics in the price range - which do I think sounds 'best'?
2. Mics a bit more expensive - what could I get if I saved just a little more - and is it worth that saving?

This applies to all equipment. I saved myself years of buying and selling guitars by buying the exact four that were, for me, the best I could get by a distance. I did the same with an electric piano, and chose a slightly older one because Rachmaninov just somehow came easier on it. Ignore the hype ... yes, Alan believes in his products and wants to provide a good service, but if you think any manufacturer makes their sales websites out of the goodness of their hearts ... ... ... ...

 

[chessrock]

Ok, so you don't believe what you read. Then why do you believe all those self proclaimed multi-million dollar a year salaried engineers that frequent this site with thousands of posts telling "you" what is good or not good?

Where do they find the time from making hit records to make all those posts.

You all need to trust your ears, especially if they are trained. If not, what ever you do will not sound great anyway no matter what you read or who you listen to. Understand your rooms may not be suitable for recording. Know that your skills may not be as good as others in mic placement and engineering. You may not even have your gear hooked up properly. Know that most of you are Home Recorders having fun, and trying to learn about this thing called recording.

Learn how to get the most of what you have, rather than simply thinking one mic is better than another because you can't get a good sound from it. No mic can do everything. You will always need a locker to go to. Any mic that works can be considered a good mic, no matter what it costs... No disrespect meant....

So in other words, you're saying it's your customers' fault because they don't know how to point a mic.

Alan, you might consider something other than Public Relations in your next life.

 

[noisedude]

So in other words, you're saying it's your customers' fault because they don't know how to point a mic.

What's the customer's fault?

 

[chessrock]

What's the customer's fault?

According to Alan's response, if I'm reading/interperating correctly that is, it's our fault that we can't get his mics to sound as good as a Neuman.

 

[noisedude]

I don't really think that's what he meant, but if you two want an argument far be it from me to stop you

Dude, you should so sign up at PMI's forum - DJL has, and has made posts, and has not been banned yet. He's even putting himself up for moderating duties! It would be fun.

 

[BJW]

According to Alan's response, if I'm reading/interperating correctly that is, it's our fault that we can't get his mics to sound as good as a Neuman.

That's not what I got out of it. I thought he was basically saying that on the home recording level, which I would consider myself, one can get a much better sound by learning to perfect techniques such as mic placement, room treatment, etc. None of that sounded like with the right techniques my C1 will sound just like or better than a U87 - he just said better technique will make any mic sound better.

No disrespect meant at all, chess - I'm just saying how I interpreted his post.

 

[DJL]

Hello, Mr. Microphone... lol.

According to Alan's response, if I'm reading/interperating correctly that is, it's our fault that we can't get his mics to sound as good as a Neuman.

How about getting it to sound like a Mr. Microphone... lol?

Alan believes in his products and wants to provide a good service

And if PMI Audio Group would just use their own website to do that rather than hr.com it would be great... and don't start advertising the link here either.

I don't really think that's what he meant, but if you two want an argument far be it from me to stop you

Dude, you should so sign up at PMI's forum - DJL has, and has made posts, and has not been banned yet. He's even putting himself up for moderating duties! It would be fun.

I don't know who is posting over there as DJL... but, it sure the heck isn't me... oh, and I think your nose is getting browner... lol.

 

[wilkee]

oh, and I think your nose getting browner... lol.

Its caused by all the sun they get in Leeds!!!

Tony

 

[crazydoc]

So in other words, you're saying it's your customers' fault because they don't know how to point a mic.

That may not be exactly what he meant, but that's a succint way of putting it, at least for 99% of the members here.

I'd bet there's very few people here, myself included, given their expertise, gear, room, and "talent", that could get a U87 to sound appreciably better than a C1. The kind of mic used would be an insignificant factor in the sound of the final recording.

That's why, for most of us homewreckers, acquisition of high end gear will serve us much less than acquisition of experience with adequate but cheaper gear.

Of course, when we finally throw in the towel and give up on recording, the high end gear will have held its value better when we dump it.

 

[crazydoc]

How about getting it to sound like a Mr. Microphone... lol? And if PMI Audio Group would just use their own website to do that rather than hr.com it would be great... and don't start advertising the link here either. By the way... I don't know who is posting over there as DJL... but, it sure the heck isn't me... oh, and I think your nose is getting browner... lol.

You're right - the DJL over there writes grammatically and thinks logically.

Oh, and by the way, here's the link for the PMI forum:
http://www.pmiaudio.com/phpBB2/

 

[chessrock]

I don't find Mr. Hyatt's statements to be very political.

For the most part, I agree with what he's saying ... but in a way it seemed like he was dissing a lot of people's abilities. And at the same time dissing the guys like myself who are trying to help people out by giving our opinions on stuff.

... especially when you consider that these same "million post" guys are very adamant about telling the newbs exactly the same kind of thing ; that skills and first-hand experience/trial with recording gear is more important than what guys like myself or Harvey or Bluebear or whomever say or think. And that there is no "better" or "best," etc.

What's with all that "not making hit records" stuff ... as if to imply that if you don't make hit records, you're not qualified to give opinions on mics. Hell, I know a few guys, personally, who have made hit records and have millions of cheap mics lying around, none of which sport the Studio Projects logo. I just don't get the sense that Hyatt has any real internet / people skills. Granted, I rub people the wrong way all the time around these parts ... but then, I'm not representing any company or business entity as I do so. Maybe Hyatt's sons should be doing the PR work instead.

 

[noisedude]

I don't know who is posting over there as DJL... but, it sure the heck isn't me... oh, and I think your nose is getting browner... lol.

Serious? The 'DJL' over there seems to have posted in all the places I'd expect you to post ... though granted he seems to be after less aggro than I expected.

And you can shut up too Tony

 

[DJL]

Serious?

YES!!!

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Your going to wish you didn't do that.

 

[noisedude]

What, this?

http://www.pmiaudio.com/phpBB2/

 

[DJL]

Maybe Hyatt's sons should be doing the PR work instead.

No thanks, I'm sick and tired of PMI Audio Group's Ad's and PR work here on hr.com.