Should there be a seperate section for ebay Links/sales (New thread)

[undrgrnd studio]

So just because you don't like it, you going to jump up and down and annoy the crap out of others who don't particularly care either way .

Like I said before, I voted for a seperate section and I'll happily admit that at times finding an Ebay link in a for sale thread can be a bit frustrating but for God's sake, you're carrying on as though it's the end of the world and your opinions the only acceptable one.

Go play some music and take a chill pill.

I wonder. Why don't you take your own advice? Seems a bit hypocritical, think about it.

 

[ausrock]

Seems a bit hypocritical, think about it.

Not at all, so no need for me to think about it. You're the one who was so worked up about this Ebay linking issue that you started a thread ( http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=260695 ) about it, so I'll refer you back to my comment in post #24 there.

Personally, I'm over you and your little crusade.

Caio

 

[Creamyapples1]

Here comes the Wahmbulance!

http://wahmbulance.ytmnd.com/

 

[valverec]

There are so few FA posts, and this forum moves so slowly as it is, I don't see why we'd want to separate them. It's not like there are more than 1 or 2 posts a day with FA postings. I think another forum would be overkill and the FA posts would just be a useless graveyard. I know some people don't like the FA posts, but some of us do, so I vote they stay.

 

[undrgrnd studio]

Not at all, so no need for me to think about it. You're the one who was so worked up about this Ebay linking issue that you started a thread ( http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=260695 ) about it, so I'll refer you back to my comment in post #24 there.

Personally, I'm over you and your little crusade.

Caio

I started a different thread, somebody else started this thread. And I'm glad he did, it was a good idea to separate the sections. If you have a problem with me voicing my opinion in either thread, then you can go in a corner and cry about it for all I care. I don't give two shits. I don't know why why the hell your so concerned about saving the forum from me being "worked up". Like you said earlier if you don't like the thread don't click on it? Soooooooo....... Then stop clicking reply if you don't care or don't like my opinion.

 

[Creamyapples1]

Soooooooo....... Then stop clicking reply if you don't care or don't like my opinion.

So what's keeping you from following that same advice? It's a vicious circle isn't it?

 

[undrgrnd studio]

So what's keeping you from following that same advice? It's a vicious circle isn't it?

I just don't get the hostility towards this. It's pretty cut and dry, selling something on here is not the same thing as selling something on ebay and it would be a great courtesy to simply notify the buyers in the subject heading. My feeling is that these forums are for the most part filled with people just trying make a buck, I feel like I'm fighting with the business lobby here.

 

[Creamyapples1]

My feeling is that these forums are for the most part filled with people just trying make a buck, I feel like I'm fighting with the business lobby here.

I don't see that at all. I've spent many, many, many a paycheck buying things from other users here, as well as hitting up their ebay auctions, and I've saved a massive ammounts of money doing it. I'll agree that at times there are the random asshats with a post count of 4 trying to hock their stuff for retail prices or higher, but it's not worth waging a war over.

If you've paid any attention at all over the years, you'd know it takes an act of congress to get so much as a sticky at the top of a section, let alone the addition of a whole new section.

 

[valverec]

My feeling is that these forums are for the most part filled with people just trying make a buck, I feel like I'm fighting with the business lobby here.

Really? I've bought quite a few things on this forum and gotten some good deals. I don't feel like I've ever dealt with anyone from the business lobby at all. In fact I've bought and sold some things on this forum to some really great people.

I think maybe Harmony Central has some rules against posting eBay auctions. If one or two FA postings a day bug you that much maybe that'd be a good place for you to look for your used gear? Not trying to be a dick, it's a sincere suggestion. I know they had some real eBay filters and rules against posting eBay auctions on their older classified ads. I'm just not sure if they still have those rules and filters in place on their new forum style classifieds. I believe their recording classifieds are about as active as they are here as well.

Though I DO AGREE with you that people posting auctions should be required to put FA in the subject line. I think that's fair and it lets people like you know that you can skip that ad. Plus I think people that are posting their auctions here aren't helping themselves sell stuff when they don't put FA in their subject. It tends to work against them most of the time.

 

[undrgrnd studio]

Really? I've bought quite a few things on this forum and gotten some good deals. I don't feel like I've ever dealt with anyone from the business lobby at all. In fact I've bought and sold some things on this forum to some really great people.

I think maybe Harmony Central has some rules against posting eBay auctions. If one or two FA postings a day bug you that much maybe that'd be a good place for you to look for your used gear? Not trying to be a dick, it's a sincere suggestion. I know they had some real eBay filters and rules against posting eBay auctions on their older classified ads. I'm just not sure if they still have those rules and filters in place on their new forum style classifieds. I believe their recording classifieds are about as active as they are here as well.

Though I DO AGREE with you that people posting auctions should be required to put FA in the subject line. I think that's fair and it lets people like you know that you can skip that ad. Plus I think people that are posting their auctions here aren't helping themselves sell stuff when they don't put FA in their subject. It tends to work against them most of the time.

There are more than 1 or 2 day first of all. And I have spent a lot of money here buying from people as well, and most of them were really nice. But that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of people that register on these sites and stick around selling their gear through ebay for a long time. I've seen the same thing on so many forums, they're all the same. They are always filled with people that get a notion in their heads that they can turn their hobby into a side business and then they go around and find every forum on the subject and post their links in every single one. EVERY forum is like that.

If I could see the FA in the topic that would be fine with me, but I know people will disregard that rule anyways. They do now, it's already an unwritten rule to declare in your subject line what you proposing. They know they will get more clicks if they don't include the FA. I'm not on a crusade, I'm just saying I think this is annoying and it seems to be getting worse lately.

You may not be one of the small business people voting against a separate section but I am willing to bet that most of those votes are from those people. It's obvious. As a matter of fact I think this gives us a good idea of the amount of "sellers" vs buyers on this forum right now.

 

[ocnor]

I voted no because I aggree with Ocnor. I dont think you should put an eBay link in the first post for the sell of your item. If you want the members here to be "loyal", place your ad for your item at a price you feel is fair and give them first shot at it. If after a week or so when there are no buyers, then place it on ebay and post the ebay link to your thread.

Actually I think that links to Ebay should be banned completely because it invites spammers. Once you have given the forumites first crack at the item and nobody goes for it what's the point of posting an Ebay link? If someone is still interested in the item they will PM you and then you can link them personally. To me this seems like the most logical way to do it. The only people that might have a problem with this scenario would be the spammers.

 

[undergroundtoon]

UMMMM....didnt vote....dont care either way




Just hope this thread doesnt lead to banning more links

 

[undergroundtoon]

Actually I think that links to Ebay should be banned completely because it invites spammers. Once you have given the forumites first crack at the item and nobody goes for it what's the point of posting an Ebay link? If someone is still interested in the item they will PM you and then you can link them personally. To me this seems like the most logical way to do it. The only people that might have a problem with this scenario would be the spammers.

I got a new peice of gear on e-bay.....I would love to show you and share what i got.....oh wait.... i forgot its another banned link on HR....nevermind

OR

jim: anyone know of a good price compressor?

bill: sure, here is one on ebay that is a good priced unit i trust and its got a good buy it now price too.


maby we should ban all pics and url's ........and then all wear uniniforms comrade......dont dull down my fun place to play.

divide it if you want, but no take aways!!!!!!

 

[Thatupstateguy]

Mr ocnor sir,....

OBVIOUSLY you either do not like Ebay, or have NO sympathy whatsoever for anyone who has been a member here and tried to sell something to members, or you are just a very uptight person and don't believe in the freedoms of our country.

I have been a member here since 2001, actually before that under a different forum name.and am disappointed in some attitudes here.I do not post as much as I used to, and for good reason. bashing and flaming was NEVER the norm here, and now it seems like a bit of that attitude has taken hold.

for you to state that ebay links should be banned altogether seems a bit like you have some personal issues with that, and are not really thinking like a community member.

As you suggest, if indeed that happened, you would be contributing to the denial of members who actually WANT to see stuff relating to gear. and by reinforcing the denial, are guilty of doing a dis-service to all of those members. and anyone else who agrees with that opinion are contributing to that as well.

I think that if someone comes here ONLY to spam, and has a business based on that sort of thing,.. it will be VERY obvious to anyone who takes the time to look.

If those types are ignored completely, they will eventually leave and not bother us again,... on the OTHER hand,.... if banning is your answer to that sort of thing,... then all of us who feel there is some VALUE in directing members to a nice piece of gear, will be on the losing end of that action.

I think with the net being what it is,.... you should accept it as is, and go on with your life. by closing off opportunities for some members, or even suggesting it, you are adding a very negative connotation to the exchange of ideas which includes trying to add to the community by pointing someone at a great deal, or whatever at another site.

grow up and just enjoy it here.

 

[happybird.e]

To ebay or not to ebay..

For what it's worth, I really appreciate when folks title their ads correctly.

By that I mean FA for auction, FS for sale, FT for trade, WTB want to buy, etc.

Just saves me a few clicks here and there especially when all that's in the post is a link to ebay.

I appreciates the heads up if you have something to offer on ebay, but please be courteous and let me know before I click into your spam.
If your title is honest, then we're all happy and I won't call it spam

Invent your own helper titles even

Like FA/BIN for auction with buy it now, or FA/FS for when you're willing to remove the listing when you sell it here for less.

These things help us all out, I can't think of a downside.

Then there'd be no argument for separate forums?

I do dislike visiting different forums to see the same suspects shilling their ebay listings all over the place. Usually I don't buy from these folks anyway
as their manner just seems too pushy, and often the items are priced too high. If you have to "trick" me into viewing your listing, somethings wrong....

I guess as craigslist has forbidden these type of links, these forums become breeding grounds for them.

Can you imagine going to a yard sale and instead of prices on the items they have links to ebay?!

I'd probably do it myself I suppose, but I'd disclose it in the title, and give folks here a shot first.

I trust you all much more than bidder X anyday.

Cheers

 

[ausrock]

"spam".........."shilling"


Harsh, almost offensive words in view of the fact that real spam and shilling is something we don't see very often around here..........some people around here have been "members" virtually since the place first opened it's doors and it really was a community (albiet, a lot smaller) where a lot of us knew each other and if someone wanted to sell something, regardless of the "selling vehicle", no-one was overly worried by it.

 

[TyphoidHippo]

Well... I read a few of the posts, and nobody was talking about what first came to mind for me - so if this was covered somewhere in the middle of this thread, then sorry:

When I first saw this poll, my thoughts were: Hell yea, it'd be awesome to be able to have a more thorough of the history of the seller on ebay. (User's post history on this forum).

For example, if mshilarious or massive mastering was selling some crazy expensive thing dirt cheap that I really wanted, but they had only like....6 feedback on Ebay, I would not buy the item. BUT if I knew that it was mshilarious or massive mastering from the HR forum, the ebay feedback number being so low wouldn't matter to me at all...

Another thought I had while reading some of the posts, was this: If either of those guys (or any other respectable member here) was really in a pinch for money (like a medical semi-emergency that their insurance wouldn't cover, for example) - I, personally, think they should have this community's support in selling their shit the fastest way possible....which would, in my opinion, be to put it on Ebay and then put links to the auction on here....that way any of the members here could buy it knowing pretty confidently who it is really coming from, or some random dude on the internet could buy it...whatever. It gets sold ASAP.

Anyway....I check ebay every day at least twice, and buy a ton of shit on there. If there was an ebay section here, I would make thorough use of it....simply because I'd get a better chance to see who the seller actually is. Superiority complex trolls: Please spare me the "the internet is anonymous" stuff....I know, I know, we never *really* know who the members are here....but a post history would be a FANTASTIC addition to the same, stupid "SUPER AWESOME A+++++" and "Item is as described" feedback that Ebay is overflowing with.

That's just my opinion...I know I typed a lot, sorry - I'm really not this passionate about this issue, honestly...I'm just kinda bad at explaining what I'm thinking in a brief manner sometimes....

 

[ocnor]

For example, if mshilarious or massive mastering was selling some crazy expensive thing dirt cheap that I really wanted, but they had only like....6 feedback on Ebay, I would not buy the item. BUT if I knew that it was mshilarious or massive mastering from the HR forum, the ebay feedback number being so low wouldn't matter to me at all...

But wouldn't you rather have the chance to buy the item first before it was ever listed on Ebay? Once the item is listed on Ebay then there is no chance to haggle/negotiate the price. Any Joe Blow with a computer has as much chance to buy the item as you do. How does posting an Ebay link help anyone here in this community other than the seller?

Another thought I had while reading some of the posts, was this: If either of those guys (or any other respectable member here) was really in a pinch for money (like a medical semi-emergency that their insurance wouldn't cover, for example) - I, personally, think they should have this community's support in selling their shit the fastest way possible....which would, in my opinion, be to put it on Ebay and then put links to the auction on here.....

I disagree. If a person wanted to sell something fast why would they eliminate their option to negotiate by listing it on Ebay first? Unless they are selling it as a "buy it Now" it isn't going to sell any faster. If that was the case wouldn't offering it here first at that price be the right thing to do?

Anyway....I check ebay every day at least twice,

So do I as I'm sure many of us do. This is why Ebay links are not needed here.
It seems the people wanting Ebay links are only concerned with hawking items for the maximum profit rather than contributing by offering deals to other members first. Well I'm done beating this dead horse.

 

[TyphoidHippo]

stuff

Ok, whatever.... Like I said, I'm not really passionate about this at all...the only thing you wrote that I take issue with is this:

It seems the people wanting Ebay links are only concerned with hawking items for the maximum profit rather than contributing by offering deals to other members first.

I'm not trying to hawk anything, jeeze....what makes you say that?

 

[undrgrnd studio]

But wouldn't you rather have the chance to buy the item first before it was ever listed on Ebay? Once the item is listed on Ebay then there is no chance to haggle/negotiate the price. Any Joe Blow with a computer has as much chance to buy the item as you do. How does posting an Ebay link help anyone here in this community other than the seller?




I disagree. If a person wanted to sell something fast why would they eliminate their option to negotiate by listing it on Ebay first? Unless they are selling it as a "buy it Now" it isn't going to sell any faster. If that was the case wouldn't offering it here first at that price be the right thing to do?



So do I as I'm sure many of us do. This is why Ebay links are not needed here.
It seems the people wanting Ebay links are only concerned with hawking items for the maximum profit rather than contributing by offering deals to other members first. Well I'm done beating this dead horse.

Good thoughts, I concur Doctor.