sweetbeats
Reel deep thoughts...
Shit’s gettin’ real now…
Any ideas yet what those extra components and pin are for?Okay…well, the input PCB assemblies are identical between the two machines…exact same connector pin count and assembly part and revision numbers. So that’s nice. It’s just unfortunate I can’t use the SUB modules from unit #2 in unit #1 for experiments and troubleshooting efforts.
FWIW all SUB modules have the 17 pin connector on the early version and all modules have the 18 pin connector on the later version. The additional pin is pin #12 and it is associated with some additional transistors and resistors…so for a quick visual on the differences, in the photo below the early version is at the top of the photo and the later version is at the bottom, and the area of additional components on the later version is encircled in a red oval:
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No clue. If I have time down the road, I might try to get an idea what they do just out of sheer curiosity, but at this point anything that doesn’t have anything to do with my tracks 1 & 2 record fault is not of interest, and those components don’t.Any ideas yet what those extra components and pin are for?
I do have datasheets for all the ICs, except for, as I mentioned, the Dolby chips…the Hitachi HA12058NT…can’t seem to find anything on that and even reached out to some contacts with technical libraries and nothing. There is a 28 pin version, and a 30 pin version with completely different pinouts. The AT-RMX64 uses the 30 pin variety. If anybody has the datasheet I’d love to have a copy.Elimination is the fast way to fast way to track an error.
I aggree with your fault searching technique. Follow a bad signal until it gets good, or follow a good signal until it gets bad.
You probably already have all the data sheets on the chips. If not, they're all obtainable.
As for #2, a full forensic examination of all the fluff and muck may reveal what the previous owner had for lunch, while mixing.
I had a good rumage for it sweetbeats. Nearest I got was a photo of the chip.I do have datasheets for all the ICs, except for, as I mentioned, the Dolby chips…the Hitachi HA12058NT
Yeah me too…but to validate others who are struggling with these types of issues on an AT-RMX64, yes in some cases the solution may be simple, but finding the fault source can be a real challenge if you don’t have experience with this sort of thing, and the AT-RMX64 is relatively complex as far as interconnections. The semi-modular setup is nice with all the plug-in cards/modules, but there are lots of ribbon cables, and multiple motherboards and until you start to understand what circuits live where, and/or if you just lack a general understanding of how these things work electronically and what circuit blocks are typically present, it’s…hard. Like I’m at a point where I can approach it from the standpoint of “okay…X is not working…that’s related to the ___ circuit…so where is the ___?” As opposed to “How does this work?” Normally I have schematics and can learn a lot from that. With the AT-RMX64 and no schematics it takes more time because things have to be traced out on the device itself, but at least I have some inkling of what to look for. So I’m getting a bit more comfortable with what is where and hopefully can help others get their machines running again. It’s not always going to be bad solder joints. But maybe I can help narrow down a fault source having a decent idea of how things interconnect now. I will also say it was essential to make extender cables, and it was extremely helpful to have a second AT-RMX64 here to use as a reference; be able to have it opened up and partially disassembled and be able to see where things go and come from while the main unit was relatively assembled and powered and being tested.Glad it was something really simple