Audio Technica AT-RMX64 Story…

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I'm back. I finally found time to digitize some old Arabic obscure rare cassettes I always wanted to. Everything was running fine when suddenly after about 20 tapes the mechanism started chewing tapes (tape collected at the back of the pinch roller & stops).
First transport issues (when I got the mixer) had been sorted by replacing the old worn idler tire with a new chinese AliExpress one back then. Could maybe the issue be this again knowing their low quality?
Will replace with another one when go home later. But I don't think it's the culprit this time.

Meanwhile, @sweetbeats or anyone else, any thoughts on what I should look for in this particular deck when dealing with chewing tapes issue?
 
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Clarify what you mean by “back of the pinch roller”…is it bunching up on input side of the pinch roller, or the output? When this is happening are the tape reels turn at all, or only one or the other? Does your capstan shaft spin up?
 
Unfortunately during replacing the new idler tire I lost the tiny devilish e-clip washer. Will source an exact replacement one (I think it's M1.2) from a friend of mine as shipping from Ali will take 1.5 month. So as long as it's been installed I'll be back with results, describing better the whole case here.
If I remember correctly it's bunching on input side of the pinch roller though.
 
Then the first thing I would do is check and see if the capstan shaft is spinning when a tape is inserted or when you press the tape sensor switch(s) in (to make the unit think a tape is inserted). The capstan shaft should be spinning at all times when a tape is inserted.
 
Yeap sure this is the first thing I checked, it spins fine. Starting to think it's that idler tire again. I have to wait since weekend for my friend to give me some e-clips. Or could maybe some cassettes be just bad / dry enough?
@sweetbeats do you think I should replace that only one tape mech's e-cap you were showing in your YT vid just for precaution purposes while waiting for the e-clip to arrive?
 
The reel table drive mechanism with the idler roller tire shouldn’t cause the tape to bunch at the input of the captan shaft. In PLAY, with respect to the takeup side of the transport, the reel table drive mechanism only provides for takeup tension *after* the capstan shaft. If it wasn’t working right, the tape would bunch up between the capstan shaft and the takeup reel. The reel table don’t drive the tape in PLAY…the capstan shaft does all the driving. Did you install a new pinch roller? Check the pinch roller pressure? And you’re positive the capstan is spinning when in PLAY with a cassette loaded? The capstan might be spinning but it might be weak. Spin up the capstan without a cassette loaded. Pinch it with your thumb and finger. Is it easy or hard to get it to slow down?

On another note the idler tire you purchased…it’s specific to the AT-RMX64?

By “tape mech’s e-cap” are you talking about the electrolytic cap that’s on the capstan servo board? If so, it wouldn’t hurt to replace it I suppose.
 
Didn't install a pinch roller. It was like new.
Pinched capstan with thumb & finger. It's hard to slow it down (if at all), feels powerful.

I made a rec (normalized/boosted + 20dB louder, hope you can hear it) so you can hear to capstan motor's little noise. It's really hard to be audible but I don't know if that kind of noise (note that ~1900 Hz freq it produces & that "fade out / airplane landing" sound when I de-press the tape sensor switch) is normal.

Is it easy to oil capstan motor by not disassembling it? Could you show me with an arrow in your pic below the right point I should oil in? I've oiled capstan shafts the common way by just removing washer , pull off spindle by hand & put 1 drop of oil. Here I can see there's another bronze washer underneath that first black "washer area"..

EDIT: At the moment, with new idler tire installed (still wait for e-clip) & a NM condition cassette it works fine. Don't know how much it'll last though.
 

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I want to report a bit on the subject of the rumor that ex-Neotek staff were involved in the design of at least elements of the AT-RMX64 signal path.

While still not confirmed first-hand from any bonafide source, I've had correspondence with multiple people in the past couple years or so that claim first-hand communication with either people who were involved with Neotek, or were professional technicians by trade and had relatively inside knowledge, who assert the AT-RMX64 signal path has Neotek design pedigree. Again, me sharing that here is essentially third-hand information with no verification, but I wanted to share it here as those conversations offer some support for the long-standing rumor.

The *other* thing I finally did was do some technical comparative analysis looking at schematic diagrams. One claim is the mic amp is Neotek designed. I see nothing in the AT-RMX64 mic amp design to suggest in any way it takes after anything in any Neotek console I looked at, which includes Series I, II and III consoles. In fact, the AT-RMX64 is a very weird asymmetric design where the positive going conductor of the mic input first hits a pair of FETs (2SK163) and then into one side of a 2043 opamp, and the negative going conductor of the mic input just goes straight into one side of another 2043. It's just..weird...and doesn't suggest it would make for a well-performing design. I wondered if there was anything about the 'weird" that made it special in some way so I reached out to a friend of mine that knows a LOT more than me...decades in electronics engineering, has been involved with mixer designs at Tapco and Mackie among many other things, and he basically said nope, its just weird. My conclusion and my friend's as well is the mic amp is *not* anything Neotek. The 2043 is a fine opamp, but the asymmetric design both with the FETs and the fact both sides of the mic input go to different opamps is not beneficial and is very odd, AND it looks like nothing in any Neotek design to which I compared. But the mic amp has never been what intrigues me or what I suspected may have Neotek influence...for me its the input EQ section.

The EQ on the AT-RMX64 input channels is, as I have stated previously, the coolest two-band EQ ever, and it sounds good...and there it is living in a cassette 4-track machine...push-pull pots on each band switching between peaking and shelving on the hi band and shelving or swept HPF on the lo band...literally the most powerful and usable two-band EQ I've ever encountered...I'd rather put my fingers on that EQ over any hi/lo shelving swept mid peaking EQ section any day. It is very similar to the hi and lo bands of the four-band EQ on the Neotek Series III console, which was introduced in the early 1980s, just a couple-three years ahead of the AT-RMX64. And you know what? When I compare the schematics between the AT-RMX64 EQ and the schematic for the hi and lo bands of the Neotek Series III EQ I find a pretty uncanny similarity...granted in the lo band, for instance, there are differences because the Series III push-pull function switches between peaking and swept HPF vs. shelving and swept HPF on the AT-RMX64, and the Series III couples mechanical and FET switching whereas the AT-RMX64 is all mechanical switching, but they are otherwise very similar, enough that I'm comfortable suggesting that, coupled with the long-standing rumor as well correspondence I've had with multiple second-hand-informed individuals, the AT-RMX64 EQ is derived from Neotek-designed EQ. Does that mean it's true? Nope...what do I know. But it sure looks like a derivation to me, and regardless it really does sound good and is *completely* unique among any all-in-one cassette multitrack mixer/recorder ever. I just wanted to share.
 
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