recording progress so far, opinions help??

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Hey theree.

Here is a un finished, unprocessed, unmastered, barely edited, drums sounds not fully picked, etc. However i would love some advice. We are recording this at a friends studio and we have done most of the work thus far but would love some thoughts about the sound.

keep in mind this is copyright!
heres the song.
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=17363


The drums are through BFD and triggered with a roland kit.
recorded in logic through a 003 (i think).
basically through sm57s.

we are going to get this mastered and would like it to sound fairly professional.
ive noticed the tracks we record tend to be very quite as a raw sound, would mastering still fix this?

general opinions on how to make it fatter n shit would be GREATLY appreciated :).
thank you so much.

Jackxx
 
not that you can't ask for help here, but you may get a better response in the mp3 clinic since that's where everyone posts their music for critique and review for help with recording tecniques, etc. Dont double post it though, just a tip. Maybe a nice mod will move it for ya.
James
 
ah thanks man.. yeh i was searching for where to put it. ill see what happens. maybe itll get moved?

xx
 
Drop the snare level bigtime. Use compression to even out the different parts.
 
Hey theree.

Here is a un finished, unprocessed, unmastered, barely edited, drums sounds not fully picked, etc. However i would love some advice. We are recording this at a friends studio and we have done most of the work thus far but would love some thoughts about the sound.

keep in mind this is copyright!
heres the song.
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?id=17363


The drums are through BFD and triggered with a roland kit.
recorded in logic through a 003 (i think).
basically through sm57s.

we are going to get this mastered and would like it to sound fairly professional.
ive noticed the tracks we record tend to be very quite as a raw sound, would mastering still fix this?

general opinions on how to make it fatter n shit would be GREATLY appreciated :).
thank you so much.

Jackxx

Honestly, and no offense... just trying to help... but I didn't think this sounded all that great.

The snare sound was definitely TOO LOUD, as someone else mentioned. I could barely make out the other stuff in the background. I definitely couldn't hear the bass, or even the kick drum. On all songs, you should be able to hear the kick drum and the bass... they should be LOCKING together... and then the guitars should add to the rhythm section.

It sounded way too RAW, but if this was what you were looking for, you definitely got it. But I didn't hear any dynamics. It sounded like it was recorded on a hand-held tape recorder.

Mastering this would not help the track fatten up. Mastering only helps with finalizing what's already there... by normalizing volumes.. adding compression, and getting it "radio ready."

To improve this track, you need to remix the tracks... bring the volume of the rhythm guitars, bass, kick drum, and cymbals up. Sample two cymbal crashes... each on it's own track. Then pan one of the cymbals slightly to the left, and one to the right (like 10 o'clock). The drums, guitar solo, and bass should be panned in the center. The snare should be much lower in volume. I would pick a different snare sound... it sounds flat and boring. Pick a snare sound that is more organic... more acoustic. Then you could add compression, and reverb to the snare to make it stand out more... if you wanted. Record two rhythm guitar tracks... each on it's own track. Pan one hard left, and one hard right. Don't electronically double it... play it twice all the way through. This will get you a nice fat guitar sound. Remember, everything should be audible and clear. After your done remixing, then you should add some EQ to the guitars, drums, and bass. Give each of them their own space in the mix. Then to "fatten up" the track, add effects to the guitars, drums, and bass: some compression, or maybe a little bit of reverb or delay. Your choice. With my guitar, bass, and drum tracks, I always add the following effects: EQ, compression, and maybe a touch of reverb. I add the effects by creating busses... one for the guitars, and one for the drums (depending on if they are separated... you know, one track for the snare, one for the kick, one for the toms, the cymbals... etc.). Bussing the tracks will help save processing power on the computer, and you can add or take out how much you want on each track.

I would recommend redoing the drums... the performance wasn't really there in my opinion. It sounds like a drum machine that wasn't in perfect time. I would recommend using a click track. This may take away some of that RAW feel, but it will help the track immensely. Admittedly, it would help by going acoustic with the drums... (not using triggers, or drum software). But it's your call.

Just trying to help you with my opinion. Feel free to ignore this if you disagree. Good luck with your project!
 
Yes, as was mentioned, this belongs in the MP3 Clinic.

But I did give it a listen. No offense, man, but this is nowhere near ready for mastering. It's barely ready for mixing down. Nothing but snare, and not great sounding at that. Don't think mastering is going to save it because that's not what mastering is about.
 
You've put quite a bit of effort into this so far and it's produced fairly good results. But it can be better.... Now you need to read/try the helpful comments by Fernando and Rami and take this to another level. Keep up the good work!

:D:):D:)
 
Yes, as was mentioned, this belongs in the MP3 Clinic.

But I did give it a listen. No offense, man, but this is nowhere near ready for mastering. It's barely ready for mixing down. Nothing but snare, and not great sounding at that. Don't think mastering is going to save it because that's not what mastering is about.

Jackbh241
Listen to this man's music (RAMI)... click on his website links.... and listen to how his music sounds. Even in MP3 format... you can hear everything very clearly... clear drums (kick / snare), clear guitars, bass... it's mixed very professionally. It's a great example of good music, and how you should do what you're trying to do with your own tracks.
 
Jackbh241
Listen to this man's music (RAMI)... click on his website links.... and listen to how his music sounds. Even in MP3 format... you can hear everything very clearly... clear drums (kick / snare), clear guitars, bass... it's mixed very professionally. It's a great example of good music, and how you should do what you're trying to do with your own tracks.

Thanx alot, Nandoram. I don't want to make this thread about my music, but I just want to say that I know that a good recording can be made with minimal equipment (I use 4 mics on my drums, the overheads are AKG C1000s, less than top-of-the-line) in a less than ideal room (I record in a 9'X13' room with 7' ceilings). Because of that, when I hear a recording like this, with the OP talking about "mastering" already, I have to say that so much more can and needs to be done before the word "mastering" even enters the conversation.

Mastering is the last step of the game. Before that, many other things have to be done right, including room treatment, performance (everyone knowing their parts, timing and tightness of the band, etc....), drums and guitars tuned right, etc....

After that, the mix.....

THEN...mastering.
 
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