"Real" Tube Preamps...

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when i talked ot the guy at a design he said that all ef86 tubes are microphonic. when i talked to one of the vintage mic guys i know he said that the ef86 tube was a microphonic design. there is no way to isolate the vibrations when there in the air. i tried putting it on foam rubber but the vibrations from being in the same room wiht the thing made it unusable.

if you're one of the big guys you have two rooms which is why the big guys like it and they proably never turn the speakers up loud and they have big rooms where this hting is far away, but for me wiht a home studio it is unusable.

what gets me is that the manufacturer knows about this and didn't put a warning on the unit. there are warnings on all sorts of things. there are warnings on a computer mouse when you buy one, but there is no warning on this that you can't use it in the same room when you're playing.

thats just wrong to me. it may be hte best sounding preamp ever built but if you can't use it then its worthless isn't it
 
rocker, will you agree with me that you did not even try changing the tube?
 
tube mic pres

I have had alot of success with the Presonus blue tube. It may not be a true tube mic pre but I can adjust the signal sent to the tube and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
 
rocker said:
donkeystyle, i didn't shoot the first arrow in the attack department the salesman did. ok I didn't clarify the timeline of my subsequent purcahses but the salesman wass trying to make me out ot be a liar. then dot and bowisc shimed in to furthere try to make my statements look foolish. i didn't know that hardy offered a di option, and i still don't know for sure as i have no need to check out weather they do or they don't as i have a great di i'm really happey with.
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All right listen. You popped in here and basically said I had something to hide. I don't appreciate that at all and don't expect anyone else would either. Yes, I sell gear, but that doesn't mean I'm popping in here giving misinformation.

I have to say it again, I've never had an issue with A Designs gear so I didn't have a reason to say "oh by the way used next to a freakin' drum kit or 130dB monitor setup it might not be your preamp of choice". So, forgive me there.

But dude, then you went on to say you replaced it with a Manley, and then you said you replaced it with a Hardy. I merely pointed this out, to me it seemed as though you were rambling on. Then you back up and say something different, that's Kool and the Gang with me but don't blame me for pointing it out.

Dude, I have nothing against you. At this point you've kind of stumbled into this BBS and started pointing fingers and calling people assholes. If you can get over this, so can I. You did shoot the first arrow by calling me dishonest, so again don't make statements that aren't correct. Then, according to you anyone who tries to explain their point of view is an asshole as well including Brad Lunde who is highly respected by the pro gear world and beyond.

I have no problem with you or anyone in the world saying a piece of gear didn't work out for them. That's why there are return policies. But responding the way you did is fucked up, plain and simple.

You're welcome to drop me an email outside of this place if you wish to discuss anything further.

War
 
i never called you dishonest and i didn't want to make it come out that i was calling you dishonest sorry if it came out that way. i just thought it was important that people know that you can't use the a design if you recordin one room. i guess i could have said it better. i was very angry for losing a bunch of work. i still can't believe a manufacturer would release a product they know had a problme like this without warning anyone. a design uses a tube with a history of being mircophonic so changing the tube won't help. i think it' s really irresponsible of them to use that tube or not take steps to clear up a known problem or at least warn people not to use the thing in situations like mine. that's all i menat.
 
ozraves said:
rocker, will you agree with me that you did not even try changing the tube?
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Why should he change the tube on a new pre-amp? I suspect the design is not quite up to professional standards and the explaination given to this poor guy is a total cop-out. I have never seen a tube pre-amp do this. Looks like another cheap pre being foisted off as "pro".

ADD: Just looked at the specs and the reviews at the website. Now I understand....................noisy, microphonic, expensive. Nice.
 
acorec said:
Why should he change the tube on a new pre-amp? I suspect the design is not quite up to professional standards and the explaination given to this poor guy is a total cop-out. I have never seen a tube pre-amp do this. Looks like another cheap pre being foisted off as "pro".

lmao....tell that to all the Professional AE's making gold to platinum records with it and using it as there VOX Pre amp of choice!

THis is america a capitalist country, I'd rather have it cost 1600 bucks and the tubes being microphonic (never been a problem for me but i of course is smart enough not to put it on top of an amp or speaker) then it being not as microphonic and costing double! YMMV
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lmao....tell that to all the Professional AE's making gold to platinum records with it and using it as there VOX Pre amp of choice!
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Amen.

War
 
did i say i was putting it on an amp or a speaker

no ididn't.

i said i was using it in a one room studio with no walls, like dan lanois. teacheer, until you have seen a level of incompetence why do you try to make fun of the way i record it seems like you and the salesman are talking about gold and platinum records like that is the only music that matters. my music matters to me more than the gold and platinum your talking about

i found pres that sound good and work good for my recordings the salesman doesn't happen to sell them so to you they're no good and i'm incompetent

so teacher, what do you teach and what gold and platium records have you done what goold and platinum records hvae you done with the a desing
 
rocker said:
so teacher, what do you teach and what gold and platium records have you done what goold and platinum records hvae you done with the a desing
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I wasn't talking about me. I was talking specifically about Dylan "3d" Dresdow(Do a all music search on him). He's gone on record saying he's used the A-design MP2 exclusively for Tweets lead vox on her 1st and 2nd lp. The 2nd one ain't come out yet but the first one is at least gold. He might even used on the lady marmalade joint too. But I know that the MP2 is his go to R&B pre amp.
 
Wow... now that was an interesting thread I had forgotten... hope I can forget it again.

I guess as you read that thread you'll see an allusion to why a potential price increase might be in order, feel free to draw your own inference.

I would seriously appreciate it if y'all would leave me the fuck out of this s'il vous plaît. Ya know I heard about this thread from one of the participants, but have been making a conscious effort not to get involved. If you would allow me to return to lurk mode vis a vis this pissing match, I would be sincerely grateful.

Peace.
 
rocker said:
i found pres that sound good and work good for my recordings the salesman doesn't happen to sell them so to you they're no good and i'm incompetent
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Not true, I never said that your preamps aren't good. I said I'm glad you found something that worked better for your one room situation.

I give up. Believe what you want to.

War
 
JohnnyMan said:
Please forgive me if this is “off topic” and I’ll gladly move this post to another thread if that is where it should be.

I purchased a Behringer Ultragain Pro dual mono tube mic pre about two years ago. I remember reading somewhere that you can greatly improve the sound by replacing the tube with a better quality tube.

Do you agree with this and what would you suggest for an improvement tube (or maybe an improvement pre – I also own an ART Tube MP)?

My usual signal path for vocals is mic – Ultragain Pro – Nanocompressor – Delta 10/10 sound card.

My current vocal mics are Rode NT1s and an AKG 535EB.

Thanks for any suggestions. I will be happy to provide any other info if you require it.

John
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Ive had improved performance and less noise with using Mullard tubes...but its just polishing a turd. :)
 
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