Please come here if you have good advice on what i should buy...

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The only thing I'm confused about is your insistence on jumping headlone into something, obviously long before you should.
I'm no pro, I was trying to help you. Like I said, I think giving you suggestions on this idea without spending more time trying to discourage you is a real disservice. But you know what... go ahead and buy everything you can afford. You're obviously not going to listen to anyone.
 
I want to know what a "8-track CD burner(rackmount style)" is.
Seriously - Good luck, but start small and learn the gear. Volunteer to record bands until you know what you're doing. Also, don't discount the room you're recording in. Acoustics are key to that "studio sound".
I've been doing this for about 3 years, I've spent way more than $5K, and I have yet to charge anybody for my services. Of course, I have a day job and grad school, so my time in the studio is limited. Be patient and read these forums everyday!
 
Okay, just to back up for a minute:

CloseYourEyes said:
... i want the sound to be STUDIO QUALITY; I'm talking like "good-enough-to-be-make-an-album-there" quality.


I guess we've backed off that already. Good.

Although, I will note one thing that's been said about a million times already: it's not the quality of the engineering that distinguishes a good album from a bad album, it's the quality of the music. Most bands couldn't make a recording that's "good-enough-to-be-an-album" at anystudio.

That said, if you're a band that's right on the margin between good enough and not, a bad recording will tip you to the "not" side. And -- given the nature of the bell curve, which I think applies here like everywhere else -- there are a lot, lot more bands that are right close to the margin between good enough and not than there are way up over the line.

And then we start to get into the commercial / business realities ...

... I do know this is feasable because i attended a recording of my friend's band at a place called Valcor studios; it's run by a guy named Hank and his gear mainly consists of a big ass mackey mixer w/ the level display, a huge rack full of compressors, preamps(?), effects, etc; and then he has like 4 or 5 Alesis ADAT recorders(dont ask me why he has that many)....


I'm not sure I follow the feasibility reasoning here. How does the fact that someone can run a studio with what sounds like $20,000 - $100,000 or so of equipment establish that it's feasible to run a studio with much less equipment?

Particularly considering ...

... he charges like 35 bucks an hour and the quality is ultra-professional. What i'm trying to do is emulate that quality....


In the adult world, $35 an hour is not a ton of money. It's not paltry, but it's not a ton of money. If he were able to book his studio with paying customers 50 weeks a year, 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, he'd gross $70,000. That's gross, before various expenses, and not considering the cost of the capital he's invested in equipment. And, do you think he's really that fully booked? Maybe he is, I've never heard of him. But I'd guess (just a guess, of course), he's lucky to gross half that.

... Does anyone make a semi cheap(used obviously) 8-track CD burner(rackmount style)? ...

I don't mean to offend, but this comes off as a bit of a strange question. From a later post, it sounds like you already have a hard-disk recorder. How, exactly, do you expect an 8-track CD burner (if there were such a thing) would be a step up?

My suggestion, I guess, would be (i) start with what you have, (ii) get a clearer idea of what you're trying to do and (iii) forget about trying to make money at this. Think of it as a hobby, not a business, because if you think of it as a business in even a slightly clear-headed way, you won't do it. You may be able to put together something where you can record yourself and friends for free, or for a paltry contribution toward the cost of the equipment. But without a lot more capital and a lot more expertise, you're not going to make money at it.
 
qualifier

CloseYourEyes said:
I WANT A GOOD SOUNDING BASIC SETUP THAT I CAN BEGIN(EMPHASIS ON BEGIN) TO START AS A SORT OF SIDEJOB. Okay, understand? I just want to start something that i can charge kids 20 or 25 bones to record on per hour.

We've gone over this... Close is looking for the above. an improvement on a digital 8-track fostex...Strike the opening comments from the record! Meshuggenah has got the idea.

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Re: qualifier

milesmaxwell said:
... Meshuggenah has got the idea.

Of course, he's pretty well spent the budget (overspent the smaller one), without buying a single microphone or a mixdown deck, not to mention effects, mic cables, patchbays, mic stands, outboard mic preamps, room treatment, headphones, headphone amps, a chair, a desk, a rack....
 
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sjjohnston said:


Of course, he's pretty well spent the budget (the smaller one, anyway), without buying a single microphone or a mixdown deck, not to mention effects, mic cables, patchbays, mic stands, outboard mic preamps, room treatment, headphones, headphone amps, a chair, a desk, a rack....

tru-dat.

something to take into consideration...

but understanding close was working on the fostex, I'm sure some of the cables, mics, headphones, mic stands, chair, are still usable. Granted, upgrades are always desireable...

You can also add to that list the cost of media for the teenager clients... discs still cost $$$.
 
What...!?!?

I can't believe it. There are two people on this thread that actually listen. Everyone else just seems to be interested in quoting me and my immaturity.

Thanks Meshuggah and Miles.

Oh yeah, by 8-track cd burner, i meant like an ADAT recorder(ya know, fits in a rack!?!?) yet instead of burning to ADAT, it burns to cd.

ANYWAYS, i've been thinking today. I have realized something. Theoretically, to get a good recording, i have gotten this idea that thru a certain process, i can get a decent recording. This process is: Mic/direct -> a mackie mixer -> Fostex DMT-8. Does that sound like a good plan? Looking for responses... thanks
 
OK, obviously you aren't gonna listen to our best advice of saving your money and not doing it... So welcome to the club! Get ready to spend thousands and thousands of dollars for years to come!

My best advice is to not buy anything right away. Goto here and here and here and sign up to get their catalogs. It's alot easier to browse gear and learn abbout what's out there and specs and such with a "magazine" than online. Keep reading forums like this one. Spend as much time in a music store as possible. Find what you want. Ask others to find out if they are good choices (this place is good for that). And then find it on ebay to get the best price. You'll save thousands that way.

Don't say we didn't warn you...;)
 
Re: What...!?!?

CloseYourEyes said:
Oh yeah, by 8-track cd burner, i meant like an ADAT recorder(ya know, fits in a rack!?!?) yet instead of burning to ADAT, it burns to cd.
No such animal....
 
Oh my God...

Don't say we didn't warn you...;)

OH MY GOD. I GET IT. I'm turning into one of... YOU. So is this how you guys started out? Well, i was warned. Thanks again everyone for your criticism. Although i feel like i am on a bbs with a bunch of clones of my dad. yikes...
 
Close...

Ditch the Fostex. Sell it and buy cables and mics for the money.

The point is to spend your money on a few quality items instead of buying a heap of crap you WILL be disapointed with later on.

..and a last, and important question.. Do you have a good computer?
 
littledog said:
Is anyone else getting a little bit of a creepy feeling...?

A young kid named TYLER shows up and asks how to build a pro-sounding studio on a severe budget, while remarking that he can always borrow stuff from his church... (cue "Twilight Zone" music...)

Deja vu anyone? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Yep.
Deja vu all over again. :cool:
 
in re: to meshuggah

hey mesh,
right now i have a 366 mhz gateway but my parents are talking about getting me a new laptop. I'm pretty sure we're looking at a Compaq(1.2 ghz) so i figure that will be fast enough for whathave you.
 
Oh yeah....

What if i got a Korg D1200? It's a hard disk workstation type recorder. It's got a dedicated guitar in 1/4" with COSM amp modeling, 2 XLR inputs... Would it be wise to run a mackie or a behringer into that for recording drums? Let me know guys! also, if you have anymore suggestions let me know.
 
Re: in re: to meshuggah

CloseYourEyes said:
hey mesh,
right now i have a 366 mhz gateway but my parents are talking about getting me a new laptop. I'm pretty sure we're looking at a Compaq(1.2 ghz) so i figure that will be fast enough for whathave you.
Very few lap-tops have "recording quality" sound cards, and in most laptops they're built into/onto the mobo. That makes it well,,, less than an ideal tool for recording in general.
 
Re: Oh my God...

CloseYourEyes said:
... i feel like i am on a bbs with a bunch of clones of my dad. yikes...

Well, uh, maybe your dad is right.

It happens sometimes, you know.
 
Sorry I didn't get your post while I was typing mine, or maybe I wouldn't have started so basic. A lap top won't do it, as a rule. If I had a parent about to give me a computer, I'd figure that right into my studio budget.-Heh Of course you are becoming like us, you already have gear shakes when the supply is cut off. And BTW, people are trying to help you, even the big bad bear. You got gear lust? If you go the console route, at least you can use the lapstop for backup and data storage and some limited processing.
All I can do now is list a few pieces of gear worth looking at:
KORG D1600CD. Studio Projects VTB-1, TB-1, C1,C3. Oktava MK319, MC012, Rode C2000B and NTK. Joe Meek VC1Q and twinQ.
Lexicon 100, 200, and 500 series. RNC, Marshall/MXL603, V67. POD Pro. Shure SM57. If you get a mixing board (even with a console, it has it's uses- Mackie is OK, but I wouldn't advise Behrenger even at it's attractive price point. 2,000,000 dissatisfied customers can't be wrong. Finally, you are the signal. In the beginning, any real rocker is not going to volunteer as a guinea pig for your learning curve. Therefore, to learn the skill set, you need something to record. That will be you, because you are the guitarist who is always around. Select your first mics and pres modestly to record yourself. You can add the drum kit later. Find the right room and modify it wisely. I knew I couldn't build a real acoustically designed studio, so I went for a more raw sound- garage band with a clue- and a room that ain't that bad. Look ma, no control room. The headphones are your friend. Soon, you'll be standing up on this board reciting the mantra- "Hi, I'm Closeyoureyes, and I'm a gearaholic"-Richie
 
All about Dad...

Hey, just because i'm as teenager doesn't mean i dont listen to my dad(that would be like me assuming you are bald since you're an adult). My dad is very experienced in life and very smart. I definately listen to his advice. I actually had to learn the hard way a few times to listen to him. Only reason i persist on this thread is the fact that i think about half of you guys still don't get what i'm talkin bout(willis). I do however, think that some of you guys get it and i appreciate all of your input, guys. I wanna hear more about your "garage band with a clue" concept. It sounds interesting. Ever hear of Pavement? Oh yeah, what's all this hype about how Behringer sucks? Is it below my standards? lol
 
I actually like some of the bottom end Behrenger boards, particularly MXB1002 for remote work. If you buy a little one, you get a kind of mediocre little board of questionable reliability wicked cheap, and that's OK. If you get a big one, you get a kind of mediocre board of questionable reliability that's quite big, and you spend a bunch of money doing it, and that's not OK. If you need a small barely adequate mixer, MXB 1002 is well worth the money. Getting a big board, don't do it. The locals here will be happy to tell you their Behrenger horror stories, don't get them started.
 
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