Not lIkeing my Voice? Is This COmmon?

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o i like that comment... and refraining myself from saying i would probably hurt you in person... o well i said it anyways.... My ex girlfriend Whom is in the process of being signed with atlantic records (singer)... tried her best while we went out to RAP and uhh its harder then you think? if its so easy why aint you signed at it?!? its harder then you think all music takes talent... i dare you to say that to someone who takes it seriously in there face bet your jaw gets rearranged...... :mad:
 
React said:
o i like that comment... and refraining myself from saying i would probably hurt you in person...
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And you would probably go to jail.

But this is common for people with your attitude. Say something negative and right away you have to hit someone. I hate to fill you in on this sport, not everybody will like your "Music". Deal with it or do something else. And just to let you know, I will tell anybody my personal opinion without fear. Fuckem if they don't like it. And it's my opinion that chopping up REAL music and talking over it is bullshit no talent garbage.
 
HangDawg said:
And you would probably go to jail.

But this is common for people with your attitude. Say something negative and right away you have to hit someone. I hate to fill you in on this sport, not everybody will like your "Music". Deal with it or do something else. And just to let you know, I will tell anybody my personal opinion without fear. Fuckem if they don't like it. And it's my opinion that chopping up REAL music and talking over it is bullshit no talent garbage.
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thats not that big of a problem with people not liking MY MUSIC but that comment you made was FALSE and yea i do got a bad temper and i wont goto jail... i hit people in the mouth all the time.. you snitch you get got... i would be threatning you but its pointless when you live in PA....... 1ne
 
HangDawg said:
Yep, there's a difference. Singing takes talent.
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And rap takes skill...plus more knowledge of the english language, if their halfway decent.
 
HangDawg said:
And you would probably go to jail.

But this is common for people with your attitude. Say something negative and right away you have to hit someone. I hate to fill you in on this sport, not everybody will like your "Music". Deal with it or do something else. And just to let you know, I will tell anybody my personal opinion without fear. Fuckem if they don't like it. And it's my opinion that chopping up REAL music and talking over it is bullshit no talent garbage.
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Im sorry that I have to chime in on this but you do HAVE to have talent to be a rap artist, You might want to think about what you just said! Have you ever recorded a rap artist? doubt it, so how can you say that? The rap industy is at the top (or maybe 2nd) on album sales.... Think about that one more time :rolleyes:
 
Carter said:
Im sorry that I have to chime in on this but you do HAVE to have talent to be a rap artist, You might want to think about what you just said! Have you ever recorded a rap artist? doubt it, so how can you say that? The rap industy is at the top (or maybe 2nd) on album sales.... Think about that one more time :rolleyes:
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The problem is narrow-mindedness, people always think they have the right idea based on what they think good music sounds like, which is completely bias in itself, and all other types of music are considered "sub-par" because that music doesn't appeal to their personal interest. I love rap music, but I also love classical, jazz, rock, etc. and by no means do I think someone is "talentless" just because they write music that doesn't appeal to me.
 
RhythmRmixd said:
The problem is narrow-mindedness, people always think they have the right idea based on what they think good music sounds like, which is completely bias in itself, and all other types of music are considered "sub-par" because that music doesn't appeal to their personal interest. I love rap music, but I also love classical, jazz, rock, etc. and by no means do I think someone is "talentless" just because they write music that doesn't appeal to me.
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You are the man, I totally agree with you!
 
Carter said:
Im sorry that I have to chime in on this but you do HAVE to have talent to be a rap artist, You might want to think about what you just said! Have you ever recorded a rap artist? doubt it, so how can you say that? The rap industy is at the top (or maybe 2nd) on album sales.... Think about that one more time :rolleyes:
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I didn't say that there isn't a shitload of people who like it. That means nothing. Most people like simple un-inspiring repetitive crappy music. That covers 90% of music today. I still say that most of these so called artists are completely talentless.
 
RhythmRmixd said:
The problem is narrow-mindedness, people always think they have the right idea based on what they think good music sounds like, which is completely bias in itself, and all other types of music are considered "sub-par" because that music doesn't appeal to their personal interest. I love rap music, but I also love classical, jazz, rock, etc. and by no means do I think someone is "talentless" just because they write music that doesn't appeal to me.
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I'm not narrow minded at all. I like well performed music by talented muscians not matter what the genre. I still say that talking over top of chopped up samples and making beats is pretty low on the talent scale. My opinion, I'm entitled to it whether you all agree or not.
 
HangDawg said:
I still say that talking over top of chopped up samples and making beats is pretty low on the talent scale.
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And I thought I was the only one.
 
HangDawg said:
I'm not narrow minded at all. I like well performed music by talented muscians not matter what the genre. I still say that talking over top of chopped up samples and making beats is pretty low on the talent scale. My opinion, I'm entitled to it whether you all agree or not.
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So apparently you think all rap music consists of chopped up samples, which its not, and now your saying that writing electronic or computer-based hip hop music (which I'm assuming is what you mean when you say "making beats") is on a lower level talent-wise than playing a live instrument? As if those who can make clean recordings using pre-sampled instruments through a computer have a less intuitive view or not quite the same creative vision as others? I'm glad you keep repeating the fact that this is all your own opinion, because its credibility is starting to question me.
 
RhythmRmixd said:
writing electronic or computer-based hip hop music (which I'm assuming is what you mean when you say "making beats") is on a lower level talent-wise than playing a live instrument? As if those who can make clean recordings using pre-sampled instruments through a computer have a less intuitive view or not quite the same creative vision as others?
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I have more respect for the people who do the music originally that gets bastardized and the ones who make good samples of accoustic instruments. I've played with some of the software that people use to make beats and joints and whatever the hell. There is no skill involved. Sure, you have to have some basic knowledge of the software but that can be learned in an afternoon by reading the manual. What's the chances of learning how to play drums, guitar, bass, and every other brass, woodwind and stringed instrument in an afternoon. Not likely. All you have to do is line up the dots in the right place on the screen and blamo, hottness galore.


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And it's not just my opinion. It's one shared by many.
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Having tried my hand at electronic music a bit, I realized I wasn't cut out for it, and stuck to writing "normal" songs and playing my piano, Wurlitzer, guitar, bass, drums, trumpet, etc. I have a music degree and perfect pitch and I don't normally brag this much but it's just to say that I have plenty of talent; I just couldn't cut it at the electronic stuff. It takes tons of talent, just a different kind of talent you use to play and record an instrument. People who haven't tried it probably won't recognize that, so you might encounter that a lot here, React. I agree that it takes tons of talent to rap, and I totally respect it even though I'm not hugely into it.

On another note though, you complained about people not reading the whole thread when they were trying to help you out by giving you advice, which seemed a little ungrateful to me. Honestly, I had read every post in the thread, and I had totally missed where you said that:

React said:
^^^^^^^ lmFao!~

lol i dont feeel like THAT, cuz for 1 i dont sing i rap and theres adifference.. anymore?
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Maybe my eyes got tired and skimmed over that part because of all the bad/non-English in there. I know this is the internet, but when people offer you help, you probably shouldn't complain because they failed to interpret your poor grammar and spelling. I don't even know what ImFao means. I am fucking my ass off? Farting my ass off? :) Guess I'm just ignorant.
 
Okay, I didn't come here to get in an all out war, but, learning my sequencer software in an afternoon? Ha, thats some funny shit. My DP manual is over a thousand pages by itself, I've had the software for over a year and I still don't understand everything in that program. I played in my school's orchestra for over 9 years, call me a dork, whatever. The point is that I know what it takes to become good at playing an actual instrument, and by no means it is easy. It takes natural talent, combined with many hours of practicing and learning. It takes those EXACT SAME three things to become good at producing computer music as well, and pretty much any other hobby I can fathom. You make it sound like all someone has to do is load samples and a sequencer on their hard drive and the beats assemble themselves. Give me a break. Just because your on a computer doesn't mean you don't have to understand key changes, transposition, timing randomizations that humanize music and give it feeling. If you want to write good computer music, you have to understand how instruments are played in their natural form, I don't disagree that, in fact I think it's completely necessary. But don't tell me that there is no skill involved, because good music is written by talented musicians who understand it, no matter what instrument or platform they use to create it.
 
RhythmRmixd said:
Just because your on a computer doesn't mean you don't have to understand key changes, transposition, timing randomizations that humanize music and give it feeling. If you want to write good computer music, you have to understand how instruments are played in their natural form, I don't disagree that. But don't tell me that there is no skill involved, because good music is written by talented musicians who understand it, no matter what instrument or platform they use to create it.
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I totally agree. Problem is, most don't. All they do is use other peoples music and shred it up and loop it down. Then throw on a stolen familiar melody for the hook and call themselves musicians/artists. Nope, sorry aint buying it. I've listen to some of the BEATS around here and they are bullshit, plain and simple.
 
HangDawg said:
I totally agree. Problem is, most don't. All they do is use other peoples music and shred it up and loop it down. Then throw on a stolen familiar melody for the hook and call themselves musicians/artists. Nope, sorry aint buying it. I've listen to some of the BEATS around here and they are bullshit, plain and simple.
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I completely agree with you on this as well, that most people don't put nearly enough time and effort into computer music to make it sound like anything worth listening to. Rap suffers from this plague probably the most of any genre. But there are those few out there, who put a legitimate effort into making computer music sound good, and I am one of them.
 
You might be able to learn how to use software to make a basic beat in an afternoon, and it will sound somewhat decent, just like I could teach anybody in an afternoon to play a Coldplay song decently on piano, or a Green Day song on guitar (or drums or bass), but it takes a long time to master that stuff, just like it takes a long time to master the piano. But as with any instrument, you're all the better if you can play another instrument.
 
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