My thoughts on the RNP

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Every now and then on Home Rec someone will jump your ass over something insignificant such as what substances the cases for the RNP are made from. And, they don't let up. I am not a metallurgist. It appears to me from tapping on my RNC at the house and looking at its appearance that the top cover and bottom are made from metal.

Now about this thread, Dan is a friend of mine. I'd hate to admit how much time we've spent on the telephone discussing gear. He is not a shill for PMI even though he tends to be very glowing about PMI products. I'm at the polar opposite on this one. I like the RNP. For the price, I like it a helluva lot. Dan's very, very wrong in his critique of the RNP. jslator will be reminding him of the error of his ways as Dan never admits he's wrong. :D

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DJL said:
ozraves said the RNP was in a "little metal case as the RNC" so I thought he was just being a smartass or didn't know crap about the RNC or he's been eating too much Mojo Pie.

I don't get it, you all know the little plastic cases don't shield out RF, don't dissipate heat plus cracks and breaks easy and makes devises look and feel like a toy. I miss the good old days when manufactures made their products to last like a tank.

At least DOT has the balls to tell the truth.
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Fuck, I'm really getting tired of this shit. I just talked to Mark to confirm my facts. This applies both to the RNP AND to the RNC:

The "case" is .062" cold rolled steel!! The front and back panels are .062" aluminum plates with Lexan overlays. The bottom of both units are thicker aluminum and are used as heat sinks. Case, front panel, back panel, & and bottom plate - ALL METAL !! Get it? The whole thing is in a metal chassis - ALL METAL!!

The Neutrik jacks (all the jacks are Neutrik) are made of plastic, as are the knobs. My $5,000 32 x 8 board has plastic Neutrik jacks. A lot of major companies use plastic Neutric jacks in VERY expensive equipment.

Now as far as the truth goes, DJL, here's some real truth for your ass: The RNP has RFI shielding on all the inputs, the VTB-1 does NOT. When you mount the units onto a metal shelf, with the screw thru the bottom of the chassis, and mount it in a properly grounded metal rack, the units are impervious to RFI. The VTB-1 is not !!

Do I care that the VTB-1 is more susceptable to RFI than the RNP? Actually, I don't give a rat's ass one way or the other - it's never been a real life problem for me here.

Finally, I got Mark to send me one of his old RNCs that has enough cosmetically wrong from travelling all over to not be able to sell, even as B stock. I have a gravel driveway, and I'm gonna drive my fuckin' car over the damn thing, just to see how strong it really is. I'll make sure and take lots of pictures.

Maybe that'll put an end to all this bullshit. I don't believe in bullshit and speculations. The fact is the RNP and RNC are both all metal chassis, not plastic. Everybody got it straight now?
 
Here I was thinking, "Jeez, I could've sworn the RNC case was metal ...."

Well ... all I know is I don't pay much mind to someone who can be humiliated by a knob. Seems to me there's some sort of self-esteem problem going on ....
 
Harvey Gerst said:
The "case" is .062" cold rolled steel!!
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Thanks for the sanity check, Harvey. Even though I had only really noticed in passing what my RNC boxes were made of before I racked them a couple of years back, I was pretty damn sure they were metal. Funny that Dot didn't manage to figure that out in his examinations, seeing as how he pays such "close attention" to those sorts of things.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Fuck, I'm really getting tired of this shit. I just talked to Mark to confirm my facts. This applies both to the RNP AND to the RNC:

The "case" is .062" cold rolled steel!! The front and back panels are .062" aluminum plates with Lexan overlays. The bottom of both units are thicker aluminum and are used as heat sinks. Case, front panel, back panel, & and bottom plate - ALL METAL !! Get it? The whole thing is in a metal chassis - ALL METAL!!

The Neutrik jacks (all the jacks are Neutrik) are made of plastic, as are the knobs. My $5,000 32 x 8 board has plastic Neutrik jacks. A lot of major companies use plastic Neutric jacks in VERY expensive equipment.

Now as far as the truth goes, DJL, here's some real truth for your ass: The RNP has RFI shielding on all the inputs, the VTB-1 does NOT. When you mount the units onto a metal shelf, with the screw thru the bottom of the chassis, and mount it in a properly grounded metal rack, the units are impervious to RFI. The VTB-1 is not !!

Do I care that the VTB-1 is more susceptable to RFI than the RNP? Actually, I don't give a rat's ass one way or the other - it's never been a real life problem for me here.

Finally, I got Mark to send me one of his old RNCs that has enough cosmetically wrong from travelling all over to not be able to sell, even as B stock. I have a gravel driveway, and I'm gonna drive my fuckin' car over the damn thing, just to see how strong it really is. I'll make sure and take lots of pictures.

Maybe that'll put an end to all this bullshit. I don't believe in bullshit and speculations. The fact is the RNP and RNC are both all metal chassis, not plastic. Everybody got it straight now?
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Well, I swear I thought the RNC was made of plastic, it feels like plastic, I bet other people thought it was plastic too. You don’t have to drive over one to prove anything, lol. I wonder if you called Mark because you weren’t sure what it was made of either, just curious. Anyway, yea I got it straight now. It’s metal. And believe it or not, it was an honest mistake on my part.
 
ozraves and jslator, I owe both of you an apology. I made a mistake, and I'm sorry. You too Harvey, I'm sorry.
 
DJL said:
ozraves and jslator, I owe both of you an apology. I made a mistake, and I'm sorry. You too Harvey, I'm sorry.
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No hard feelings here, DJL.

BTW, if you want to see a pre that looks and feels like it came out of the cockpit of a tank, check out the GT Vipre.
 
Well, as DJL would say so eloquently, I don't crap about the RNP or the VTB or my smartass, seeing as I don't own either of them. But someday I'm gonna have one of those VIPRE's, no doubt!

And thanks Harvey for saving our asses again. Otherwise who knows how long this crap would have continued...
 
DJL said:
I wonder if you called Mark because you weren’t sure what it was made of either, just curious. Anyway, yea I got it straight now. It’s metal. And believe it or not, it was an honest mistake on my part.
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Okay, sorry if I got pissed. Actually, I called Mark to find out exactly what metals were used. I knew the outside case was metal and the bottom chassis was aluminum, and the front and back panels were Lexan over metal, but I didn't know exactly what kinds of metal, so I headed over to the studio to tear one apart.

My son (who was in the middle of a mixing session) got annoyed at me for wanting to tear apart a unit, and he suggested I call Mark and get the straight scoop. So I did. Mark also told me about the RFI shielding on the inputs of the RNP when I told him that you had a concern about it.
 
littledog, I admit my mistake and I will take your rubbing me in it like a man but, IMO it still looks and feels like a plastic toy even tho I now know its all metal. :)
 
The asking price for my vintage VTB-1 has been hereby dropped to $350!

Chris
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Okay, sorry if I got pissed. Actually, I called Mark to find out exactly what metals were used. I knew the outside case was metal and the bottom chassis was aluminum, and the front and back panels were Lexan over metal, but I didn't know exactly what kinds of metal, so I headed over to the studio to tear one apart.

My son (who was in the middle of a mixing session) got annoyed at me for wanting to tear apart a unit, and he suggested I call Mark and get the straight scoop. So I did. Mark also told me about the RFI shielding on the inputs of the RNP when I told him that you had a concern about it.
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Thank you Harvey.
 
c7sus said:
You guys better start getting along in here or I'm gonna duct tape all your legs to one another........

We'll see if you can all get along then.......
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It will be fine, I'll be the punching bag like a man for my mistake until it's someone else's turn, lol. :)
 
Harvey Gerst said:


The "case" is .062" cold rolled steel!! The front and back panels are .062" aluminum plates with Lexan overlays. The bottom of both units are thicker aluminum and are used as heat sinks. Case, front panel, back panel, & and bottom plate - ALL METAL !!
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Harvey, thanks for finding out some info about the materials. From your findings, that confirms that the surface of the front and back panels are plastic.

How is that "all metal"?
 
Dot said:
Harvey, thanks for finding out some info about the materials. From your findings, that confirms that the surface of the front and back panels are plastic.

How is that "all metal"?
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Come on, Dot. You didn't say that the RNP had some plastic on the front and back panels. You said it was "...a little, dinky plastic box" and that "everything" was plastic. You were wrong. Be a man and admit it.
 
Lexan overlays don't transmute a metal box into a "little, dinky plastic box" where "[e]verything is plastic."
 
Dot said:
Harvey, thanks for finding out some info about the materials. From your findings, that confirms that the surface of the front and back panels are plastic.

How is that "all metal"?
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Dan,

Believe it or not, I still consider you my friend, so....


....I'm just gonna pretend you didn't really ask that.

Because, by using that criteria, I could just as easily confirm that the outside surface of the new VTB-2 case is paint, not metal. See how silly that would sound?

So let's pretend you didn't ask that question, okay?

BTW, Lexan panel lettering won't rub off, like silk screening on metal does. It's more expensive to do (like using high quality Neutrik connectors for all jacks), but worth it.
 
Oh, I'll admit I'm wrong for describing the RNP as a "plastic box".

I'm wrong. I'm sorry and I apologise.

Harvey said, "BTW, Lexan panel lettering won't rub off, like silk screening on metal does. "

Actually, that's a very good point! Lexan is pretty damn tuff material.

My "thoughts" don't exist in a vacuum. I posted here, not so much to go back and forth or decree any "final word", but to pull the box out and other's opinions and findings and examine the RNP more closely.
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