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chessrock
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ozraves said:
Shit . . . thanks for reminding me. I'll get it to you asap. Finally my dream of becoming a shill / plant is coming one step closer to being realized.
Shit . . . thanks for reminding me. I'll get it to you asap. Finally my dream of becoming a shill / plant is coming one step closer to being realized.
tubedude
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Plastic: Who cares, doesnt matter
Ugly: Who cares, doesnt matter
It sounds good.
No ifs, ands or buts. No argument.
If you want a great sounding little 2 channel preamp that does what it does and does what it is supposed to do and does it better than good, then buy one and use it.
At that price you cant expect looks and other crap. If so, then it wouldnt be $475 anymore.
Buy one, use it, see how dumb you were for doubting yourself in the 1st place, and realize that you spent less than $300 a channel for some pro grade preamps, and smile all the way to tracking heaven.
Lotsa love, my brothers...
Ugly: Who cares, doesnt matter
It sounds good.
No ifs, ands or buts. No argument.
If you want a great sounding little 2 channel preamp that does what it does and does what it is supposed to do and does it better than good, then buy one and use it.
At that price you cant expect looks and other crap. If so, then it wouldnt be $475 anymore.
Buy one, use it, see how dumb you were for doubting yourself in the 1st place, and realize that you spent less than $300 a channel for some pro grade preamps, and smile all the way to tracking heaven.
Lotsa love, my brothers...
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gordone
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My Aphex 107 looks much more impressive than my Great River MP2, but guess which one I use more?
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jslator
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Dot said:
...to the wrong things, obviously. You're so focussed on how heavy a unit is, I really doubt you even listen to these things. I mean, come on. Your absolutely glowing review of the VTB-1 (remember "swiss army knife"?) and your nitpicking of the FMR stuff leads me to beleive that you only care about cosmetics, and not sound. When your "reviews" are based on how heavy something is or how pretty it is, and not on how it sounds, it really only helps people who want studios that look nice. Sorry, but that's backwards.
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Dot
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Hey, slator. You're not paying attention again.
I've made no comments at all on the attractiveness or ugliness of the RNP. Read my initial post on the RNP in this thread and show me once where I ever mention the cosmetics of the unit.
...your nitpicking of the FMR stuff leads me to beleive that you only care about cosmetics, and not sound.
You're lead to believe that because you don't pay attention.
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Dan Richards
Digital Pro Sound
The Listening Sessions
I've made no comments at all on the attractiveness or ugliness of the RNP. Read my initial post on the RNP in this thread and show me once where I ever mention the cosmetics of the unit.
...your nitpicking of the FMR stuff leads me to beleive that you only care about cosmetics, and not sound.
You're lead to believe that because you don't pay attention.
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Dan Richards
Digital Pro Sound
The Listening Sessions
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jslator
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Dot said:
The bottom line is that you appear more concerned about what the case and knobs are made of than how it sounds. You gush about a turd like the VTB-1 being "transparent with beautiful warmth" and comparable to API, Neve and Avalon units, and then you slam the Sytek MP-4Aii as being "no better than an Audiobuddy". It's statements like that that make people think that you either don't actually listen to this stuff or that there's something else motivating your "reviews".
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Harvey Gerst
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Come on, guys,
Now you're all talking personal preferences here when we get into this touchy/feely/looky shit.
As I recall, I called the VTB-1 "butt ugly" when I was talking about it in my "review". It still looks butt ugly to me, but it's a hell of a useful preamp.
As far as the RNP goes, what the hell did you guys expect? It looks like an RNC. It's supposed to !!! Same case, same knobs, same size, same front panel. Where's the big surprise? It looks and feels like my RNC.
Mark has said from day one that the idea was to make a 1U mic channel, starting with the RNC, then the RNP, then the RNEQ. Each piece was to be 1/3 wide, so that they'd all fit on a 1U shelf, bolted down with correctly spaced mounting bolts.
Geez, you guys shoulda been around in the early days of recording, if you really wanna see flat out ugly. The old Daven pots with 3" Bakalite knobs were the standard then, and a 16 channel board meant you needed a reach like an orangataun to cover it.
Adding an outboard preamp in those days meant having an assistant with some muscle to even lift the damn thing, let alone patching it in via the barrier strip. Meters on everything? Hell we were damn lucky to have two meters, period. And try to stop a 10-1/2" reel at high speed FF on a Scully 280B with your fingers.
Sheesh, kids these days. Don't know how good they've got it.
Now you're all talking personal preferences here when we get into this touchy/feely/looky shit.
As I recall, I called the VTB-1 "butt ugly" when I was talking about it in my "review". It still looks butt ugly to me, but it's a hell of a useful preamp.
As far as the RNP goes, what the hell did you guys expect? It looks like an RNC. It's supposed to !!! Same case, same knobs, same size, same front panel. Where's the big surprise? It looks and feels like my RNC.
Mark has said from day one that the idea was to make a 1U mic channel, starting with the RNC, then the RNP, then the RNEQ. Each piece was to be 1/3 wide, so that they'd all fit on a 1U shelf, bolted down with correctly spaced mounting bolts.
Geez, you guys shoulda been around in the early days of recording, if you really wanna see flat out ugly. The old Daven pots with 3" Bakalite knobs were the standard then, and a 16 channel board meant you needed a reach like an orangataun to cover it.
Adding an outboard preamp in those days meant having an assistant with some muscle to even lift the damn thing, let alone patching it in via the barrier strip. Meters on everything? Hell we were damn lucky to have two meters, period. And try to stop a 10-1/2" reel at high speed FF on a Scully 280B with your fingers.
Sheesh, kids these days. Don't know how good they've got it.
Stefan Elmblad
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Harvey Gerst said:
What about throwing a banana into the reel and have the orangataun stop it ?
Michael Jones
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Harvey Gerst said:
ROFL!
A long time ago, we used to crank our cars by hand too. Somebody figured out a better way though.
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Harvey Gerst
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The orangataun was smart enough to know better; we weren't.Stefan Elmblad said:
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littledog
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Hell, back in my day we didn't have water. We had to take hydrogen and oxygen atoms and smash them together...
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littledog
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DJL said:
Sorry, DJL. But that ain't english, at least on my part of earth. Maybe it got garbled in hyperspace, but I'm with Ozraves on this one.
Anyway, as far as who is or isn't a shill, it's a little presumptuous to make that assumption, no matter how tempting. I know that I have a tendency to rave about the Lawson L47mp from time to time, and I try to ration my raves so that I don't get boring or accusd of being a shill.
My enthusiasm is based entirely on having owned and used one on practically everything (except small percussion) at one time or another. I've only met Gene Lawson once (at AES, about 5 years ago when I first learned of his mic) and talked to him maybe twice on the phone. Chances are great he doesn't remember me at all. Yet, based on my posts, I suppose it would be a logical assumption that I am a shill for his company. I'm not, but how could I ever prove it?
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DJL
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ozraves said the RNP was in a "little metal case as the RNC" so I thought he was just being a smartass or didn't know crap about the RNC or he's been eating too much Mojo Pie.
I don't get it, you all know the little plastic cases don't shield out RF, don't dissipate heat plus cracks and breaks easy and makes devises look and feel like a toy. I miss the good old days when manufactures made their products to last like a tank.
At least DOT has the balls to tell the truth.
I don't get it, you all know the little plastic cases don't shield out RF, don't dissipate heat plus cracks and breaks easy and makes devises look and feel like a toy. I miss the good old days when manufactures made their products to last like a tank.
At least DOT has the balls to tell the truth.
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jslator
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DJL said:
I've never had any RF problems, heat problems, cracking or breaking problems with my RNC's whatsoever. I've never heard of anyone having those problems either. I wouldn't want to back a truck over them, but they're solid little boxes that do what they're supposed to and sound great doing it. Are you saying you've had problems like that? That would actually be something worth complaining about.
Maybe someday FMR will transfer their manufacturing to China. Then, I'm sure you'll be able to get your nice metal box, maybe some metal knobs, and if you're lucky, maybe they'll put a glowy light inside that comes in custom colours to match your curtains. Boy, that would be great.
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DJL
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Oh, and I don't think the VTB-1 is "Butt ugly" as Harvey does, infact I think its kind of cute, but thats just a difference of opinion. I respect Harvey's opinion and if he says the RNP is a really nice preamp, I believe him. However, even Harevy must admit that plastic cases don't shield out RF, and tend to crack and break easier than metal cases. And I bet Harvey agrees that the plastic cases makes the devices look and feel like a toy, but I'm not sure if he will confess up about that part or not.
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DJL
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jslator, you don't do any remote work and your not around RF much either are you?
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jslator
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DJL said:
Yes, but I don't typically use my RNC's when I do. And when I do bring the RNC's, they're racked so they don't get beaten on much. Hey, I'll be the first to admit, if your gear is regularly getting thrown around and beaten on, you might want to look at getting something else. If not, the FMR cases are plenty sturdy enough.
Maybe not. I've never heard anyone else complain about RF problems with FMR stuff though either. Are you saying that you have had problems? If so, I guess you're the first that I'm aware of. Like I said, that would be something worth complaining about. Have you called them about it? Maybe there's something else wrong with your unit.
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DJL
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jslator, thank you and have a great day.
regebro
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Harvey Gerst said:
"It's kinda cute, in a butt-ugly kind of way"
Not exactly negative.
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BmC
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Quoting JuSumPilgrim:
"I think theres an unholy alliance between Dan and a certain company that frequents this board. "
DITTO that, in fact it's a little too obvious, Dan did i read somewhere that you designed the face plate for the new VTB-2, so you actually have an interest in promoting the Studio Project line. I think your review is a little too biased. Not that I have any thing against SP, i own a C1 and have demoed the VTB-1, but trashing the RNP is too obvious, to me anyways.
"I think theres an unholy alliance between Dan and a certain company that frequents this board. "
DITTO that, in fact it's a little too obvious, Dan did i read somewhere that you designed the face plate for the new VTB-2, so you actually have an interest in promoting the Studio Project line. I think your review is a little too biased. Not that I have any thing against SP, i own a C1 and have demoed the VTB-1, but trashing the RNP is too obvious, to me anyways.