I give you some credit...
I see a change in attitude that I probably wouldn't have shown when I first started encountering these problems and asking questions about them...so that's to your credit.
"That's not always true... Underground rappers that wouldn't have access to the producer who created these industry beats would not be able to get the instrumental/beat "tracked out". I've heard plenty get on those type of beats and still sound right. You have to create that "pocket" and that's by dropping frequencies inside the beat. It's not going to sound as full, YES. But it will sound a million times better than trying to record over the beat. You have to drop lows and mids (rarely the highs, if ever)."
Now that you mention it, I have had SOME success with pre-engineered beats...but as you mention, they're never quite as full as something I've got tracked out. I think it depends on the beat, and sometimes you basically get lucky...if they've pre-engineered (as Glen mentioned) a pocket in, and it happens to fit your voice, then you're in the clear. It seems like both you and Glen have mentioned techniques to "massage" that pocket, which is something I'm unfamiliar with, but would be interested in learning as well. I think what some people have been referring to (and I envision) are the extremely pre-limited/smashed beats that leave little room for anything to be added.
I see a change in attitude that I probably wouldn't have shown when I first started encountering these problems and asking questions about them...so that's to your credit.
"That's not always true... Underground rappers that wouldn't have access to the producer who created these industry beats would not be able to get the instrumental/beat "tracked out". I've heard plenty get on those type of beats and still sound right. You have to create that "pocket" and that's by dropping frequencies inside the beat. It's not going to sound as full, YES. But it will sound a million times better than trying to record over the beat. You have to drop lows and mids (rarely the highs, if ever)."
Now that you mention it, I have had SOME success with pre-engineered beats...but as you mention, they're never quite as full as something I've got tracked out. I think it depends on the beat, and sometimes you basically get lucky...if they've pre-engineered (as Glen mentioned) a pocket in, and it happens to fit your voice, then you're in the clear. It seems like both you and Glen have mentioned techniques to "massage" that pocket, which is something I'm unfamiliar with, but would be interested in learning as well. I think what some people have been referring to (and I envision) are the extremely pre-limited/smashed beats that leave little room for anything to be added.