Kick Drum Cut-though + Wall Of Guitars

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jonnyc said:
Yep, with a cheeseball Metalzone. Took me a while to get a decent sound out of the kid's pedal.
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Pretty frickin' sweet.
 
Keiffer said:
IMO, if you need to do all that EQing, your tracking needs attention.
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welcome to metal, expectations of clients are built on records that were ruthlessly processed, making ruthless processing necessary to make them happy with the way it sounds.
and so begins the cycle a-new.
 
jonnyc said:
Yep, with a cheeseball Metalzone. Took me a while to get a decent sound out of the kid's pedal.
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yea, the metalzone's a bitch. and lots of people own them.
 
giraffe said:
welcome to metal, expectations of clients are built on records that were ruthlessly processed, making ruthless processing necessary to make them happy with the way it sounds.
and so begins the cycle a-new.
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I'm very familiar with metal... and it's not all accomplished on the back of EQ
 
Keiffer said:
I'm very familiar with metal... and it's not all accomplished on the back of EQ
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yea, some of it's compression.
but lets face it, the sound of a kick on most metal records is almost as much processing as it it drum.
(i'm fairly sure i've never used 6 bands of eq on a kick though, there's dooing it......... then there's overdooing it)
although admittedly, this is not as true with guitars.
 
Keiffer said:
my bet is most metal kicks are sample replaced...
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Yeah, they do this a lot. And some of my favorite metal bands, like 'Fuck... I'm Dead' don't even use any acoustic drums, it's programmed.
 
Keiffer said:
my bet is most metal kicks are sample replaced...
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A lot of them are replaced with my samples. I don't use that much EQ on anything. Compression, yes.
 
Ill go back to square one and let you guys give me some advice later. I didnt mean to sound disrespectful when asking about the idea that you could have a huge and fast sound - it was meant as a question.

Shitloads of bands replace the kick. Shitloads of death metal bands replace it with a shitty kick track.

With the channel mixer what I *meant* was:

New Left Channel: L / R
New Right Channel: L / R

I didnt have cool edit in front of me.

Anyway thanks for the replies I gotta lot of work to do.
 
Thats a cool song by the way. Impressive stuff. I can definately hear the difference of 4 guitars.
 
ausgrindslaught said:
Thats a cool song by the way. Impressive stuff. I can definately hear the difference of 4 guitars.
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Layers done right is a beautiful thing.
 
Hey guys I've been fuckin with the kick drum alot. I've attached a sample of the drums all mixed. Let me know what you think. I havent compressed the snare or kick so if youve got any compression/eq tips lemme know.

I did limit the track a bit and bring the volume up a bit.

 
ausgrindslaught said:
Hey guys I've been fuckin with the kick drum alot. I've attached a sample of the drums all mixed. Let me know what you think. I havent compressed the snare or kick so if youve got any compression/eq tips lemme know.

I did limit the track a bit and bring the volume up a bit.

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Man I hate being negative but good grief, thats about the woofiest kick drum I've ever heard. How are you eq'ing it? I generally cut the low mids, I don't boost the lf's at all and I boost a couple db's around 2khz to get the clicky sound. When I was first starting out I was told that the kick by itself should sound somewhat like a basketball bouncing off the floor. What mic are you using and how are you mic'ing the kick?
 
Either your monitors are lying to you or you aren't listening to what you are doing. Like the last poster, I almost never boost any low end on the kick.

You're doing this on a home stereo, do you happen to have the treble control turned all the way up? Try putting all the tone controls in the middle and turning off any EQs on the stereo. That might help a bit.
 
As far as i recall, Channel Mixer is something for stereo tracks. It's mixing the stereo pair into the new pair...that is why there are so many parameters...although using its in mixing the mono tracks it's rather complicating things...
 
Chris. said:
What did you use for that sample? Was the mic close to the beater head or at the sound hole? Just curious.
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That was 2 years ago, I don't remember. I'm thinking that it was a D112 about 2 inches off of the batter head half way between the beater and the shell. It could have also been a combination of mics. I sample drums with a few mics at a time, sometimes I mix them, sometimes I pick the best sounding mic, I really can't remember. That sample was EQ'd. It was a 24 inch Ludwig kick with a power stroke II head on the batter side.
 
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