I've come to the conclusion that a studio sound is only found in ... a studio

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noisewreck said:
I agree with you that as always those types of blanket statements break down and you can't argue one way or another if you want to make sense.
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Great...can you please explain it to kcearl...he's not sure where I was coming from with my statement. :D

noisewreck said:
So, what's your definition of successful?
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Success is a personal thing. Someone needs to make a million to feel that way...and others may only need to feel good about their dreams to be successful.

While I bear no negative views on the idea of "making it"...of being VERY commercially successful, it's not something I've pursued with a crazy ambition, ala "Donald Trump".
I know if I focused as much time/effort on making money as I’ve done on finding decent tones to record and spending days on end dicking around with studio wiring and what not...
...I wouldn't feel the need to buy a lottery ticket now and then! :)

I am not against "art for the sake of art"...NOT AT ALL...I'm just suggesting that commercial success is not dirty like I've seen some guys try to make it out to be.
I often think it is their own frustration of NOT making it commercially that makes some people hate anything commercially successful.

That said...I don't disagree that there was and is a lot of throwaway crap, I just didn't buy the implied notion that most of it was back in the 60s...while post-Nirvana stuff is any better/worse.
Like I said, kcearl was a bit vague about what music his comments were specifically directed at and I don't particularly agree that singling out the Beatles as crap helped make things much clearer. ;)
Sorry…calling the Beatles crap is a tough sell…and it’s got nothing to do with age or what I grew up with.
I can’t remember the last time I listened to Beatles music…but I hear their influences on a lot of stuff even today.
 
miroslav said:
Great...can you please explain it to kcearl...he's not sure where I was coming from with my statement. :D
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oh i was pretty sure Miro my back peddling slavic friend...but I bare no grudges...your apology is accepted :)
 
kcearl said:
oh i was pretty sure Miro my back peddling slavic friend...but I bare no grudges...your apology is accepted :)
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What apology? :confused:

I was speaking with noisewreck...there you go again thinking it's all about you! :o
 
miroslav said:
What apology? :confused:

I was speaking with noisewreck...there you go again thinking it's all about you! :o
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so not only is English not a strong point but sarcasm flies right over your head too...

man you are good at this interweb malarky aren't you?



yet another Fail
 
miroslav said:
What apology? :confused:

I was speaking with noisewreck...there you go again thinking it's all about you! :o
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and btw when you mention someone's name in a post they get to respond..your the one who seems unable to understand anyone
 
miroslav said:
What apology? :confused:

I was speaking with noisewreck...there you go again thinking it's all about you! :o
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I think I may respond to every post you write for a while...mmm see two of us can be like 12 year olds :rolleyes::cool::D;):(:o:p:mad::)
 
Don't let my Slavic origins throw you...my English is fine.
I just dumb-it-down for your sake. (Oh...and that's not sarcasm). ;)

Trust me, I've played Internet tennis with the best of them...you’re not even in the same league. :D

I'm starting to see a touch of the racist in you since you keep hitting the ethnic card...I guess all that time you spend in The Cave is affecting you. :rolleyes:

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Just cuz I mentioned your name...I wasn't talking to you...I just didn't want to be vague like you. :p
 
miroslav said:
Don't let my Slavic origins throw you...my English is fine.
I just dumb-it-down for your sake. (Oh...and that's not sarcasm). ;)

Trust me, I've played Internet tennis with the best of them...you’re not even in the same league. :D

I'm starting to see a touch of the racist in you since you keep hitting the ethnic card...I guess all that time you spend in The Cave is affecting you. :rolleyes:

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Just cuz I mentioned your name...I wasn't talking to you...I just didn't want to be vague like you. :p
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ethnic card? I mentioned your ethnicity once..and slavic is not a race its a people, at worst the accusation should be bigot not racist..did I say anything derogatory?

no

fail

(a cheap shot and very wrong..yet you accused me of an inferiority complex?)



No need to dumb it down for me..my English comprehension's in one of the highest percentiles in North America.. so have at it

You accused me of having a view that I didn't have, you said I said things I didnt and when you were called on it you suddenly start saying that it was in general and not directed at me..you imply that all modern music owes a debt of gratitude to one band..that is both subjective and for the most part wrong

You accused me of vagueness I clarified my point

You've done this before in the Cave..saying that people who hadn't lived in America wouldn't know what American opinions were..I had..you assumed wrong there as well

I have no idea what is actually wrong with you..I tried to lighten it for a minute but it seems you are incapable of seeing when you get things wrong

and that sir is an epic fail and self owning at its best...


now Im off to jam with a few friends..so you can respond to this and Ill get back to you tomorrow..or talk to other people like you always claim to be..either way I'm cool..

your tennis truly sucks Mr Emoticon
 
darrin_h2000 said:
I think "All Along the Watchtower" was the song you wanted there...I think they stole it too for the riff to the last verse of "Stairway to Heaven"
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Yes, Dylan wrote "All Along the Watchtower" and also "Hey Joe" that Hendrix covered.
What I meant by "Purple Haze", which Jimi wrote, was the singing. The way Hendrix sang that song, with the pitch of the end of every line going down was very Dylan-ish.
If you picture Dylan singing "'s'cuse me, while I kiss..." you can hear that dive bombing thing from "everybody needs to get stoned".

Everybody came from somewhere, nobody came from nowhere.

Another big influence (huge) was James Brown - from his band to Sly to P-Funk to Chili Peppers you can see a straight line pretty easy.
 
kcearl said:
ethnic card? I mentioned your ethnicity once..and slavic is not a race its a people, at worst the accusation should be bigot not racist..did I say anything derogatory?
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Yeah….a race of people…that’s ethnicity.
2.a. Pertaining to race; peculiar to a race or nation; ethnological. Also, pertaining to or having common racial, cultural, religious, or linguistic characteristics, esp. designating a racial or other group within a larger system; hence (U.S. colloq.), foreign, exotic.


But I see you like coming up with names for people, don't you?
“Sunshine”…”Mr Emoticon”…”Slavic friend” (I guess that last one was sarcasm from you…”friend”).
(I see emoticons in many of your posts too....I guess that's different???)


When you keep hitting on the "bad English" remarks and also referring to my Slavic background...well, you know what that's all about...'cuz that's what YOU are doing intentionally.
You can call it what you like.

Oh…where did you try to “lighten it” up…???...was THAT what the bad English/Slavic remarks were about?

As demonstrated in your last post...you've obviously run out of substance and are now just blowing smoke out of your ass to cover your trail.

The Cave is calling you....
I'm going to get back on-topic in this thread...you meanwhile, can keep beating on it 'til it makes you feel good.
 
dintymoore said:
Yes, Dylan wrote "All Along the Watchtower" and also "Hey Joe" that Hendrix covered.
What I meant by "Purple Haze", which Jimi wrote, was the singing. The way Hendrix sang that song, with the pitch of the end of every line going down was very Dylan-ish.
If you picture Dylan singing "'s'cuse me, while I kiss..." you can hear that dive bombing thing from "everybody needs to get stoned".

Everybody came from somewhere, nobody came from nowhere.

Another big influence (huge) was James Brown - from his band to Sly to P-Funk to Chili Peppers you can see a straight line pretty easy.
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I did just play "Purple Haze" in my head with Bob Dylan's vocals...sounded funny actually...Ill have to try that with other songs too.

You did forget "The Crunge" by Zeppelin...sounds like a lost James Brown tune.
 
If you are a home recordist doing your own stuff, you have thought about your hopes and aspirations, and they include phrases such as "commercial success" or "public aclaim", then you should be realistic enough to realise that you have an uphill climb facing you. It's a bit like aiming for the world champion in Formula 1 as a privateer, and having to beat of the multi-million giants such as Ferrari and McLaren. You are pitting your domestic set-up against the tecnnological infrastructure and years of expertise in all facets of the industry. It can be done, but it's difficult: once upon a time Wiliams and McLaren were the Davids against the Goliaths of Ferrari and Renault.

However, your hopes and aspirations may be in different directions. I record my own stuff for a number of reasons: it's fun and enjoyable; I can experiment and develop techniques that will help when I record others; and my recorded material is the equivalent of someone else's diary, or someone else's stamp collection; it's a perosnal record.

I rarely place my music in the public domain, because I am just not interested. I've posted a couple of songs in the MP3 clinic because of some curiosity value, and a couple in the songwriting forum as a response to the challenges.

There are many reasons for home recording, and all are valid; from the intensely private to the thirst for adulation, and all stops in between.

I can see the value in Bongolation's posts. There are many home recordists who seek glory and whose 'desire' equates to a 'right be heard'. They seek the rewards without the effort, a common trait in today's culture of instant gratification and entitlement ("I want, therefore I should have"). I also observe the technological trap that some get caught in (this valve, this mike, this pre-amp is better than that), and twists themselves in knots getting nowhere.

Failure is then blamed on the 'industry' or some other external cause . . . never on themselves.

I've mentioned in other posts that recording is currently going through the same turmoil that the printing industry did a few decades ago with the advent of desktop printing. Printing shifted from the experts with years of experience and expertise to amateurs with their Apples and laser printers. The consequence was a rash of letters, brochures, posters and pamphlets that were graphically awful, semi-literate and lacking in basic fundamentals such as readability.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you can do it well, nor even that you should.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Dylan didn't write "Hey Joe".

"Hey Joe" was registered for copyright in the US in 1962 by Billy Roberts.
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Thanks Harvey - I don't know where I picked up the wrong info.
I was never too big on that tune... didn't really get why everybody liked it so much...
I saw a Hendrix documentary where they interviewed his girfriend and she talked about how Jimi had liked Dylan and was always pointing out things on Dylan's records that he liked.
I didn't really get Dylan so much... but I sure got Hendrix...
Another funny song is the Monkee's "I'm a Believer" written by Neil Diamond - you can really hear him in that song even when the Monkees do it.
 
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Yep, all the way back to your childhood when you said you wanted to be a fireman when you grew up.

...Good thing you didn't want to be an astronaut. I can hear a frowning Mrs. SG now: "Honey, why is there a Gemini capsule on our front lawn???"

:D

G.
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LOL Glen well it is for a mobile recording rig I am putting together but the dinning room looks like the bridge of the Enterprise :p with all the tech in it LOL Look at all the blinky's :eek:
 
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