I hate micing amps (Continued). I bought a vamp and here is my sample!

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Ford Van said:
All this talk about modellers sounding "thin" and "pale". It makes me remember that most of you couldn't get a fucking good tone from a Les Paul and Plexi! :mad:
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I have a Les Paul and a JTM50 that I built myself (not from a kit either) FWIW I also have a Strat and an 18 watt that I made out of a Crate. Compared to either, modelling amps do sound 'thin' and 'pale' but I still find mine very useful. YMMV.
 
LIMiT said:
IMO, there's no comparison to micing an amp. The amp pushes air (when loud enough) that you can 'feel' through your monitors and cannot be emulated.

I would use a combo of both,..

or DI the guitar clean, and re-amp it. This way you can move the mic, try different mics etc. after the take has been done and the performer has gone home.

Hope this help,

-LIMiT
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Agree on the micing. It takes a little farking around, but when you hit the sweet spot, it's joy. Especially if you have a decent room and decent mics/pres. I've DI'd clean guitar recently and experimented with re-amping - that's becoming fun too.
 
zacanger said:
Yeah, and it sounds like 'a fucking JSTation witha cheap ass Epiphone Les Paul with a bolt on neck!' The lead tracks sounded okay, but the clean tracks hurt me. That might just've been because of how repetitive and bland they were, though, I'm not sure. BTW, the Satriani influence shows in a major way.



And this one... the lead sound was painfully brittle. No other comments on that. The rhythm was a little abrupt, has that DI feel, but otherwise wasn't too horrible.



This be true, but cheap digital shit often masks great playing, whereas decent well-used analog gear usually won't, unless someone way overuses effects.
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Hey, you know, posts like this make an excellent point WHEN you post something that sounds better for people to compare! ;)

:rolleyes:
 
Personally, I love to mic an amp! I really enjoy the process of finding the right mic combination and getting the tone of the guitar and amp on tape. After a bit of trial and error you can get it worked out. Modelers are OK to use with a mic'd amp but I would much rather use a close/distant mic set up. But again that's just me YMMV
 
Ford Van said:
Hey, you know, posts like this make an excellent point WHEN you post something that sounds better for people to compare! ;)

:rolleyes:
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Ah, that would help, wouldn't it? If I had it uploaded I'd post a song I did a while ago using a small tube combo on the main guitar track and a modeller on the rhythm, but I don't and my webmaster takes forever to upload stuff, so that'll have to wait. But to hear a tone that I'm kinda proud of, check out the links below. The reason I'm proud of this sound is because it's exactly what I was picturing in my mind, and I got it with a stock Epiphone Valve Jr. and a borrowed cheap Ibanez guitar (my electrics were at the time all dead or lent to other people). This tone wouldn't be ideal for everyone, but it was just raw bluesy sound I was looking for.
Leave My Girl Alone
Dirty Pool
BTW -- no comments on my singing, please, I'm not that great.
-Zac
 
Why do I have the feeling that young mr. anger is about to have a personal "just got owned" message site? :rolleyes:
 
i recorded a short clip using revalver: revalver clip

recorded with a cheapo fernandes with crappy pickups (used for the bassline too).

imo, the pod xt and what I've heard from the v-amp pro sound much better. they definately don't match a real amp but they're useful for some things.
 
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zacanger said:
Ah, that would help, wouldn't it? If I had it uploaded I'd post a song I did a while ago using a small tube combo on the main guitar track and a modeller on the rhythm, but I don't and my webmaster takes forever to upload stuff, so that'll have to wait. But to hear a tone that I'm kinda proud of, check out the links below. The reason I'm proud of this sound is because it's exactly what I was picturing in my mind, and I got it with a stock Epiphone Valve Jr. and a borrowed cheap Ibanez guitar (my electrics were at the time all dead or lent to other people). This tone wouldn't be ideal for everyone, but it was just raw bluesy sound I was looking for.
Leave My Girl Alone
Dirty Pool
BTW -- no comments on my singing, please, I'm not that great.
-Zac
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This is the best you got? :confused:

Sorry man, but if that is the best tone you can get micing an amp, you have NO business knocking my production or my guitar!

Yeah, you just go owned.
 
Ford Van said:
This is the best you got? :confused:

Sorry man, but if that is the best tone you can get micing an amp, you have NO business knocking my production or my guitar!

Yeah, you just go owned.
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Like I said, that's the tone I was looking for on those songs. I'm not knocking your production in general, just the digital modelling.
 
Zacanger, I just checked out your clips.
No offense man, but any of those modelers would be an improvement over the recorded guitar tones you are getting. You have no business weighing in on a post regarding good guitar tone, cause you don't know it.
 
amra said:
Zacanger, I just checked out your clips.
No offense man, but any of those modelers would be an improvement over the recorded guitar tones you are getting. You have no business weighing in on a post regarding good guitar tone, cause you don't know it.
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I suggest you go to theleftproject.com and click on the "downloads" section. Check out the other MP3s there. Most of them are done with modelers of various types. They don't sound too shabby, I suppose. Then listen to the clips from Zac Anger and the Heretics. Entirely different sound, very raw and hollow, which is the kind of sound I wanted on that song. You can hear the difference in the tone. The songs using digital shit got sorta the sound I wanted, but they still didn't fit well. The songs using the analog gear got exactly the sound I want. They don't sit too wonderfully, mainly because the drums were recorded with one mic and no processing. But the sound is what I want.
 
Sounds like you guys were just recording practice with one mic. I love the Jr and I like the tone you're getting, but it doesn't at all sound like the amp is mic'd, just sounds like a jam session and someone through up a mic in the room.
 
Nobody asked, but here is my two cents-

Amp modelers suck. However, if you have a crap amp, or suck at teh recording, you will probably be able to get better sounds out of a modeller than micing. Also, if you think the only reason your song sucks is the modeller, you are mistaken. I have never understood where people think that one mic, or one certain pre will make or break a recording. It all helps, but at the end of the day, it's really not THAT big of a difference. Same with an amp/modeller. Besides, 95% or more of your "listeners" will never notice the difference. I guarantee, my wife wouldn't know that Ford Van used a modeller.

I thought Boss of Nova, while still sounding "modeled", sounds pretty damn good. Toothache was a bit much IMO, but still smoked the other songs posted. But what the hell do I know anyway.........
 
EDAN said:
Sounds like you guys were just recording practice with one mic. I love the Jr and I like the tone you're getting, but it doesn't at all sound like the amp is mic'd, just sounds like a jam session and someone through up a mic in the room.
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Almost, except there is no "you guys," it's just myself. And at the time I recorded that I only had one SM58 and my Fostex MR-8, so all the processing and recording was just with that stuff. Since I only had the one mic and I wanted to do vox and guitar at the same time, I just put the SM58 between myself and the mic, so the the SM58 was pointed sort of at the side of the cone. But after I tried that out to see how it would work I really loved that distant, hollow sound, so I just stuck with that.

NL5 said:
Nobody asked, but here is my two cents-

Amp modelers suck. However, if you have a crap amp, or suck at teh recording, you will probably be able to get better sounds out of a modeller than micing. Also, if you think the only reason your song sucks is the modeller, you are mistaken. I have never understood where people think that one mic, or one certain pre will make or break a recording. It all helps, but at the end of the day, it's really not THAT big of a difference. Same with an amp/modeller. Besides, 95% or more of your "listeners" will never notice the difference. I guarantee, my wife wouldn't know that Ford Van used a modeller.

I thought Boss of Nova, while still sounding "modeled", sounds pretty damn good. Toothache was a bit much IMO, but still smoked the other songs posted. But what the hell do I know anyway.........
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Agreed on the first paragraph, anyway. I know my fiancee wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and she's one of the most musical people I know. Just not a guitar tone person. See my above comments on the recording one the tracks that were apparently smoked by Ford Van's tracks.
 
Zacanger, you seem pretty cool, and rational (which is sometimes in short supply around here). I probably shouldn't have thrown off on you like that. What I should have said is, if you like your guitar tone, then more power to you.
 
Really?

Wow... Only thing I can say is I'm glad your ears are on your head and not mine.

I'm a gtr player. I need moving air.. V-amp pod all that crap sound phony.
I had my years using ADA and JMP-1. But it's tube amps for me now...
You get a cool Tube combo or Pelxi with a 4X12 green backs and Royer R121 mixed with AT4047 into a Chandler TG2..There is no way I can listen to that and wish I had a V-amp.
 
DAS19 said:
I think it is on the exact smae setting, OH well I gotta tweak around these things a little more.I know guys who get some really nice tones with them.
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that kind of takes the modeler out of the equation, if you've heard good tracks from it.

my stuff sounds like crap most the time, mainly due to effort put into it.
my nephews stuff sounds great, but they spend weeks and sometimes months on one song...tweaking, tones...geez.

I spend an hour and it sounds like it. yeah it sucks, but its just time and effort, anyone can do it really.

also another trick sometimes is to track thru the monitors, which is nice about DI as you can hear it real time without feedbacking the mic....

and headphones have more bass, so often the crap is trebled out thru monitors when playback is on.

put up another post... FV's stuff sounded pretty good imo? I don't know...fhk, ZZ sounds different than ACDC who sounds different than frkn Led Zepplin who's different than Clapton... etc.etc.. which is best?

"if it sounds good it is good"..Joe Meek
 
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