I hate micing amps (Continued). I bought a vamp and here is my sample!

[rayc]

I don't model amps - I can get down the catwalk gracefully enough.
On the topic though - horses for courses. Sometimes I DI, sometimes I mic & sometimes I use a modeller. It depends on the circumstances (& time of day) & requirements.
I happen to like the tone of my single coil guitar through my Marshall Superbass MkII (no master vol so I can't get a real valve overdrive sound without an added something between the guitar & it), my Jade Clubman 80 (solid state with a faulty distortion effect built in that sounds nice'n'gnarly now that it's faulty) or my tiny little original Pignose (just amazing) but when I want to get a different sound & a mic change doesn't do it I'll try a gadget or, scarier still, use a software effect inside my comp.
Just like usually go go to tape before the computer but sometimes not DEPENDING on need, mood &, again, circumstances.
No respect for Santana as a guitarist??? I don't like his music or his preaching but he's an astounding guitarist who doesn't rely on... well I won't go into that rant.

 

[Markaholic]

I layed this down the other day with amplitube to remember the idea...sure it needs tweaking ...but is it horrible?...i dont think so....you be the judge.

 

[CoolCat]

the funny thing, is no one can really frkn tell if its an amp or not, it seems.
Blindfolded. 90% can only tell if its crap or sounds good.

if the poster doesn't tell them what he used can anyone really tell?

maybe someone can post six guitar track snippets, amp, V-amp...tube amp, solid state....

do the exact same riff for each... then RE-AMP a dry G-track or something..

that'd be interesting.

blindfold test. I won 8 beers on my brother because he couldn't decipher which beer was which without knowing, out of 10. He got a few of the first ones...hiccccupp!..hehehe

 

[DAS19]

get this sound out of your god damned amp: http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5279

for real this sound sucks lol your a moron.

 

[DAS19]

I layed this down the other day with amplitube to remember the idea...sure it needs tweaking ...but is it horrible?...i dont think so....you be the judge.

not bad at all just doesnt sound like commercial guitars me. like on a commercial heavy metal cd I mean.

 

[Hoyton]

Gfx-707

Here's a sample of the Zoom GFX-707 guitar effects processor. I've had this thing for a couple years and it's sick. Not an amp mind you, but I've found you can do some killer lead and clean tones.

http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=5286

DAS19:

Not to stray from the original topic, I personally don't like the sound you obtained, however, that's not to say it sounds like shit. It's decent and If you like it, that's what counts. I think if you brought the gain down a touch on the rhythm and brought the lead up a tad in the mix it would be pretty nice.

Coolcat:

Awesome Idea, I'd love to do it, but we'll see if I have time.

Btw, that lightningmp3 site is rad!

 

[mixmkr]

allright!!! We're cuttin' heads I see.

Here's my J-station entry
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=2995

 

[Keiffer]

I layed this down the other day with amplitube to remember the idea...sure it needs tweaking ...but is it horrible?...i dont think so....you be the judge.

hey, that sounds pretty good...

 

[Markaholic]

thanks man!

 

[CoolCat]

hey, that sounds pretty good...

I second that...nice groove too. i like the tones. bass and rythm locked in tight.


I'd post some distorted guitars but it'd be quicker if you take a razor blade and screech it on some glass while micing it with a SM57 and then cranking it into the digital red zone.

I'm happy with the cleaner tones..but damn, i need to go read up on distorted guitar tracks?? there's some around here that got it right, always inspiring that it can be done without a $1800 Mesa Boogie.

 

[rory]

Check my signature. That song was done with close mic'ing two small amps and a $100 yamaha strat knock-off for the rhythm sections. The lead was a collab and I am not sure how he tracked it, but it sat well in the mix. I would put this against a DI any day...


Now as for my singing.........

Dude, your singing!!! It creeped me out at first. And by no means is it "good" in the traditional sense, but something about it is entertaining. Glad to see I'm not the only one NOT using an auto tune of some sort!


Oh... the guitar sounds are ok through my little computer speakers... I think! The lead sound isn't my thing, but eh.

 

[travelin travis]

for real this sound sucks lol your a moron.

you're a retard and may you inherit your mother's std's.

 

[zacanger]

How can you Not Respect Santana as a guitarist?

Dunno, probably something to do with the lack of skill.

you're a retard and may you inherit your mother's std's.

...except DAS19 is right.

 

[travelin travis]

Dunno, probably something to do with the lack of skill.



...except DAS19 is right.

go play some creed junior.

 

[solo.guitar]

Dunno, probably something to do with the lack of skill.

I'm not a huge Santana fan, but lack of skill?

Let's hear you play something better than Santana, then you can have the right to say that, but you'll still be a dumbass to say he lacks skill.

 

[LIMiT]

Ive realized that DI can only do clean. gain just doesnt sound good and I realize for the reason LIMIT says the amp pushes air when distorted and this cannot be emulated well by a direct in box.

??????????

Yes...but in the final analysis, air gets 'pushed' by your speakers on playback of your recording.(?)
Regards,.......

Not quite... a virtual amp is a more sterile, front end type sound. There is no doubt you can get close to the same tones, but the 'power' will not be there. If you've recorded live drums, and start cranking up your mix, your virtual amp signal will get lost and sound 'weak' in comparison.
When micing a speaker, the spl hitting the mic is actually 'felt' (when played back loud) through your monitors, pushing the cone.

A combination of both yeilds great results, especially for rock/metal music.
Your miced signal will give you the 'meat' and 'fullness' ('power') if you will, and the virtual amp will bring out the clarity of what you're playing.

That being said...something I've experimented with great results for a 'lead track' is bringing my NS10's (which I no longer mix on) into our 'big room', and re-amping through a PODXT, dialing in exactly what I want to hear, and throwing an SM57 or an e609 and capturing that sound.

The result is a less 'sterile', more 'natural', but still 'present and focused' lead track that cuts through any big chugging Mesa tone.

Apologies for all the 'tonal lingo'..but it's difficult to communicate this stuff on message boards.

Hope this helps,

-LIMiT

 

[zacanger]

go play some creed junior.

Creed? Why? Hideous stuff.

I'm not a huge Santana fan, but lack of skill?

Let's hear you play something better than Santana, then you can have the right to say that, but you'll still be a dumbass to say he lacks skill.

But he does lack skill. He's got acres of great feeling in his music, but actual technique? Sorry, but he just doesn't have much.

 

[get2sammyb]

I recently bought a Toneport and am getting some bass sounds out of it that I am REALLY happy with. Guitar sounds I'm not too sure about yet - I can get some clean sounds out of the Toneport that sound fairly nice on my monitors - and if I double those tracks up and apply the right EQ - cutting out some of the jangly frequencies, and fattening up the low mids I seem to be able to get myself a fairly decent sound when combined with bass and drums. Now - if I solo a guitar track, alas it will sound a little thin and weak - but I'm managing to get a sound I like by doubling up my guitar tracks and using panning.

My point is (and this is just from MY small experience of recording [as I wouldn't challenge any of you guys, you know more about guitar tone and recording than I will know for many years]) that in MY experience of the Toneport over the last few weeks: a) digitial modelling CAN sound good if you give it the time and attention you would to micing up an amp and finding the "sweet spot"; b) guitar modellers are excellent for those of us with little money to buy a range of amplifiers and microphones, or for those of us without the money to sound proof and treat our rooms to get the best sound out of them; c) I agree with the person that said "95% of people who listen to your songs won't notice the difference between modellers and miced amps" - this is 100% fact. Hell I don't think I would notice the difference at this moment in time. I probably could from a soloed track - but from a mix with drums, vocals, keys and bass - I don't think I could pick it out. Maybe that makes me a n00b... or maybe that makes the rest of you getting so worked up about modellers a tad elitist.

They aren't the best solution if you're recording a full on epic multi million pound CD... for those of us on a budget trying to get out a demo, those of us trying to quickly get down rough idea for a new song, or those of us just starting out recording - I think they are a pretty decent solution.

Now you can totally tear apart my argument 'cos in fairness I am n00b. Educate me people

 

[Rokket]

Dude, your singing!!! It creeped me out at first. And by no means is it "good" in the traditional sense, but something about it is entertaining. Glad to see I'm not the only one NOT using an auto tune of some sort!


Oh... the guitar sounds are ok through my little computer speakers... I think! The lead sound isn't my thing, but eh.

The lead wasn't done by me or on my gear.

Yeah, that singing voice.....

 

[solo.guitar]

But he does lack skill. He's got acres of great feeling in his music, but actual technique? Sorry, but he just doesn't have much.

What's wrong with his technique?

And who rates a guitarist based on technique more than the emotion they put into their playing?

Some people may be able to shred through scales at 300bpm but I'd rather hear a musician play with emotion over someone with perfect technique any day.