How bad is Studio Projects quality control

[Harvey Gerst]

Yeah, I guess Studio Projects quality control is really no better or worse than Oktava's quality control... so, this is the official retraction of my statement.

Sorry, everyone.

Ya know, this is really sick shit. I started coming here thinking I might be able to help people learn a little more about microphones and how to make intelligent selections. I was very wrong.

Instead, I find some people that take a great deal of delight in posting incorrect information without understanding what they're posting, or how it applies to the overall scheme of things. These types of posts are hurtful, both to the manufacturer, and to people looking for accurate information and help in selecting a useful product for their needs.

And when people try to use my posts to make points that bolster their erroneous conclusions, it just infuriates me.

You're apology is pure bullshit, DJL. The Guitar Center Oktavas have had documented sensitivity variations well in excess of 12 dB, and to lump the SPs and GC Oktavas together is insulting - and wrong. You're still giving people incorrect information.

I've lost a lot of respect for you over these last few months. I don't know why you have a vendetta against Alam Hyatt, and I don't much care. I DO care when people spew patently false information purposely to make their false case against something. That's what you're doing, and it's wrong, DJL.

Maybe Flatpicker or Fletcher will have better luck educating people here than I've had. This board has a great opportunity to really help educate people about microphones. Too bad it's turned into a springboard for people with their own personal agenda.

 

[freshmattyp]

That's a lovely non-apology apology. Have you spent some time in the Bush administration? You seem to be pretty good at not letting facts get in the way of your opinions.

 

[crazydoc]

Harvey

Don't give up the ship. Most folks here are very appreciative of what you've done for this bbs. It's too bad a very few have to garner attention and stroke their egos with their trolls, but I guess that's the price we have to pay for freedom of speech.
Please have confidence that most of us can sort the wheat from the chaff, and have lost any respect for the opinions of the likes of Chessrock and DJL.

 

[Mark7]

Look, for whatever reason DJL has an ax to grind when it comes to Alan Hyatt/Studio Projects. Please can everyone just get off the treadmill and leave him to it?

 

[DJL]

QUOTE]Originally posted by Harvey Gerst
Ya know, this is really sick shit. I started coming here thinking I might be able to help people learn a little more about microphones and how to make intelligent selections. I was very wrong.

Instead, I find some people that take a great deal of delight in posting incorrect information without understanding what they're posting, or how it applies to the overall scheme of things. These types of posts are hurtful, both to the manufacturer, and to people looking for accurate information and help in selecting a useful product for their needs.

And when people try to use my posts to make points that bolster their erroneous conclusions, it just infuriates me.

You're apology is pure bullshit, DJL. The Guitar Center Oktavas have had documented sensitivity variations well in excess of 12 dB, and to lump the SPs and GC Oktavas together is insulting - and wrong. You're still giving people incorrect information.

I've lost a lot of respect for you over these last few months. I don't know why you have a vendetta against Alam Hyatt, and I don't much care. I DO care when people spew patently false information purposely to make their false case against something. That's what you're doing, and it's wrong, DJL.

Maybe Flatpicker or Fletcher will have better luck educating people here than I've had. [/QUOTE]

I disagree. The truth of the matter is, I thought buying two Studio Projects mic's with the same colored dots meant I was getting a "Matched Pair" of mic's, and I'm sure other people were lead into believing the same thing. This thread has set the record straight about the Studio Projects colored dot system and this my friend I believe are good facts for everyone to know.

You know, if you bought one of the Studio Projects mic's that were sold before the colored dot system... the output level had a possible variation of -33 to -37dB +/-.5dB or more, and instead of rejecting the factory seconds, they just added the colored dot system.

 

[mixmkr]

Really Harvey... The fact that a couple of kids on the internet piss you off so bad is kinda bad. There's no reason that they should get to you so much. I really don't agree that the few posts that some of these people make really "hurt" the manufacturers and things like that. Do you think I really give a shit what a 'DJL' thinks or not when I open my wallet? But, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that they will, because you know way more about that angle than I do. It's just supprising that it does.

Harvey, I don't use the "ignore button" nor do I suggest you do too. There are a couple of other people around here that I think are just pure bullshit because of their holier than thou attitudes and condescending ways. But, I don't let them rule my emotions at all, or come even close. By God, this is a discussion group. Roll with the low blows and the punches. I think you DO give out way more than asked. AND, I think there are 95 people out of a 100 that REALLY appreciate seeing your posts....but you'll never get those last 5 to "win over". That's just the nature of the differences amongst the human race. I'm sure you know that....but take these people for what they are. You engage in a cyber-world argument, you'll get back plenty. People love to hide behind their computer moniters, and have no spine when it comes down to it.

I certainly don't hope that by continuing to post I add to these annoyances, but I want to say, I am one of the 95% that REALLY appreciates seeing you around here. I am sure 94 others will attest to that out of the next 100 people posting in the mic clinic. I might even up that to 98%! Harvey...you're a good guy. Keep on being a good guy.. Let these losers just expose themselves in they way they do. Take confidence that MANY of the people around here see it that way too.

btw...can you help me here?http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93571

 

[Richard Monroe]

Harvey, I'm with mixmkr. In a public forum, there will always be a troll with an axe to grind. The only antidote to that is informed input, something you have always provided. The mere fact that you said something means you can be misinterpreted, either as an honest misunderstanding, or intentionally beacause somebody has a personal or business related agenda. A thread like this does very little except to further decrease DJL's credibility, which does in fact help the clueless to make better purchasing and engineering decisions.
A whole lot of people have weighed in here, from professional engineers to recordoing artists, to producers, to simple home recorders. Has *anyone* posted up to say, "DJL, you're spot on. Thanks for exposing this scam to cover up the awful quality control of SP mics, making it look like a service to the customer. Thanks for alerting everyone to this deceptive marketing practice, and these shoddy mics."
No, they haven't. What's happened is that every person, great and small, who uses these mics or has dealt with SP customer service has jumped up and said, "That's bullshit." Some have based their arguments on technical data and best engineering practice (yourself, Flatpicker, et. al.) Others have based their comments simply on direct empirical evidence (we used the mics instead of analyzing them). If I'm a clueless newbie, what conclusion am I to draw? That DJL is a guy with just enough knowledge to be dangerous to himself and others, who doesn't let facts or educated opinions get in the way of his agenda. You see, right there, Harvey, you did help some clueless newbie to make better decisions.
It's something that's hard for you (and Alan also) to get, is that responding to bait and getting angry makes the troll with an agenda the winner, and everybody else, including me, the loser. All that you can do is point out that something is bullshit once, then move on, and ignore the bait. You'll find I made one statement above, which I stand behind, and then moved on.
So why am I back on this worthless thread, because I think DJL's going to get it, and go, "Oh, not only are my assumptions and assertions wrong, but my concerns are trivial, and my posts are misleading, insulting, and belligerant."? No, of course not. I'm posting, because Harvey, I think that you *do* think, instead of just reacting, and we need you here a hell of a lot more than we need DJL. If everybody who knows what the hell they're talking about gets pissed off and goes away because there's always some troll with a mission, the only thing left will be trolls with a mission. It's not this board, Harvey, it's the real world, and that troll will follow you no matter where you run and hide. Stick around, I for one find your comments educational. Maybe someday I'll have the knowledge base to understand half the stuff you're talking about. Just don't take so much poisoned bait, you'll choke on it.-Richie

 

[Queue]

This thread reminds me why I stopped hanging around here.

Harvey,
Don't let the bastards get you down.

Queue

 

[Gidge]

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One thing that can be done is for everyone to stop arguing with the assclown and let this thread die off.........
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[DJL]

Wait a minute......

Am I really the only one who believed if I bought two Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots I would have a "matched pair" of microphones?

Does everyone know the Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots are NOT matched mic's... did everyone really already know this?

 

[c7sus]

Wait a minute......

Am I really the only one who believed if I bought two Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots I would have a "matched pair" of microphones?

Does everyone know the Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots are NOT matched mic's... did everyone really already know this?

YES, YOU SHITHEAD!!!!!!

 

[mixmkr]

DJL... (jumping into the fray here!)....I am willing to bet you can't even HEAR a matched pair VS a pair not marketed as being matched.

You second guess yourself so much (as evidenced by your edited threads so much...typically a half hour after your original post...if not more), I don't think you could rely on your first decision.

anywazz...I've never directed a reply towards you in the past, but have read a bit of your stuff to form a distastefull opinion of your general BBS etiquette.

Seems like you're trying to always swim upstream and you're not a salmon. Just a crappie!

Gidge...you keep repeating yourself!!

wasn't it "asshat" instead of "assclown"? better keep "current"...my young man!

 

[christiaan]

Wait a minute......

Am I really the only one who believed if I bought two Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots I would have a "matched pair" of microphones?

Does everyone know the Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots are NOT matched mic's... did everyone really already know this?

Can't speak for others but personally I DID think that two SP mics with the same color dot would not make a matched pair. All a matter of common sense.

If other manufacturers put all the effort in selecting 2 mics and sell them as a matched pair at a premium (which no doubt is reasonable), then how would putting mics in just 3 or 4 different categories (dot colours) make them matched? Well, it just would not. Whether a pair of mics can be paired is determined by more factors than just the output level, which means that there are virtually endless variations possible between mics of the same type.

And that's what I learned from Harvey.

 

[Richard Monroe]

Yes, DJL. You're the only one who thought that.-Richie

 

[Dethska]

Harvey,

If you think the Homerec forum is hopeless, please look at the FAQ grahamware is putting together. Mark7 is also helping him. To me, that is the best part of this forum. People volunteering their time to help out less experienced newbies.

Ya know, this is really sick shit. I started coming here thinking I might be able to help people learn a little more about microphones and how to make intelligent selections. I was very wrong.

You've taught a LOT of people a LOT about microphones. 50,000+ on the big thread alone. You are only wrong about being wrong.

 

[crazydoc]

Wait a minute......

Am I really the only one who believed if I bought two Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots I would have a "matched pair" of microphones?

Does everyone know the Studio Projects microphones with the same colored dots are NOT matched mic's... did everyone really already know this?

I guess not. You are right on this one issue.

I've never had a problems with the QC at Studio Projects. The build quality is good but not the best for its market segment. For manufacturers who make mics in that Studio Projects price range, I'd give the nod to Audio-Technica and Shure as far as build quality, consistency, fit and finish.

I'm sure you know the dot system is for setting up matched pairs.

Steve
www.mojopie.com

 

[David Artis]

Wow - a long thread.

Up by +1.

 

[Flatpicker]

...I find some people that take a great deal of delight in posting incorrect information without understanding what they're posting, or how it applies to the overall scheme of things. These types of posts are hurtful, both to the manufacturer, and to people looking for accurate information and help in selecting a useful product for their needs.

And when people try to use my posts to make points that bolster their erroneous conclusions, it just infuriates me...

...I DO care when people spew patently false information purposely to make their false case against something. That's what you're doing, and it's wrong, DJL.

Maybe Flatpicker or Fletcher will have better luck educating people here than I've had. This board has a great opportunity to really help educate people about microphones. Too bad it's turned into a springboard for people with their own personal agenda.

Hey Harvey, stay cool, man. I totally agree with you on this which is why I jump in with what little knowledge I have to prove it wrong so the innocent and unassuming are not led astray. The “some people” you’re referring to are a very few ( 2 or 3) out of hundreds. I was just pointing this out to Alan last week. We need you around here so please blow this off and hang around.

DJL – In case you didn’t know it, people are dragged into court and sued for stuff like this every day. It’s called libel and slander, and it’s against the law. It’s also very easy to prove when you post it in front of the world like this! In the future I’d make sure I had lots of proof and knew what I was talking about before I pulled another stunt like this. Just some friendly advice…

 

[Rimshot]

Harvey, I'm with mixmkr. In a public forum, there will always be a troll with an axe to grind. The only antidote to that is informed input, something you have always provided. The mere fact that you said something means you can be misinterpreted, either as an honest misunderstanding, or intentionally beacause somebody has a personal or business related agenda. A thread like this does very little except to further decrease DJL's credibility, which does in fact help the clueless to make better purchasing and engineering decisions.
A whole lot of people have weighed in here, from professional engineers to recordoing artists, to producers, to simple home recorders. Has *anyone* posted up to say, "DJL, you're spot on. Thanks for exposing this scam to cover up the awful quality control of SP mics, making it look like a service to the customer. Thanks for alerting everyone to this deceptive marketing practice, and these shoddy mics."
No, they haven't. What's happened is that every person, great and small, who uses these mics or has dealt with SP customer service has jumped up and said, "That's bullshit." Some have based their arguments on technical data and best engineering practice (yourself, Flatpicker, et. al.) Others have based their comments simply on direct empirical evidence (we used the mics instead of analyzing them). If I'm a clueless newbie, what conclusion am I to draw? That DJL is a guy with just enough knowledge to be dangerous to himself and others, who doesn't let facts or educated opinions get in the way of his agenda. You see, right there, Harvey, you did help some clueless newbie to make better decisions.
It's something that's hard for you (and Alan also) to get, is that responding to bait and getting angry makes the troll with an agenda the winner, and everybody else, including me, the loser. All that you can do is point out that something is bullshit once, then move on, and ignore the bait. You'll find I made one statement above, which I stand behind, and then moved on.
So why am I back on this worthless thread, because I think DJL's going to get it, and go, "Oh, not only are my assumptions and assertions wrong, but my concerns are trivial, and my posts are misleading, insulting, and belligerant."? No, of course not. I'm posting, because Harvey, I think that you *do* think, instead of just reacting, and we need you here a hell of a lot more than we need DJL. If everybody who knows what the hell they're talking about gets pissed off and goes away because there's always some troll with a mission, the only thing left will be trolls with a mission. It's not this board, Harvey, it's the real world, and that troll will follow you no matter where you run and hide. Stick around, I for one find your comments educational. Maybe someday I'll have the knowledge base to understand half the stuff you're talking about. Just don't take so much poisoned bait, you'll choke on it.-Richie

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Richard,

That was really well put and expresses what I feel are the feelings of the majority of the people here on HR.com.

I am a newbie with only a couple of clues (but I'm learning fast) but I have read through Harvey's posts on microphones in the "sticky"and feel as though I should be paying tuition for it.
His input on this board is priceless.
To be fair to DJL, he has been very helpful and informative in the past. It's only when some one brings up an issue related to Alan Hyatt in some way, then he starts acting like a horse's ass.
I'm afraid at this point that the rhetoric will escalate
and things will get uglier (if that's possible) and people will start leaving in a huff. So unless people want to see dismembered body parts and blood all over this thread, why not just leave it now? I know it's difficult, because you click onto the forum and you see a post and wonder what that person wrote.....

It's a trap! Get out now before you have to gnaw off your leg.
DJL doesn't like Alan Hyatt. That's it! Over and done. Ignore anything else. It's all just BS.

 

[sm2k]

Give it a fuckin rest already DJL.

I'm emailing Slack to have your ass removed for wasting bandwidth.

Not remove you from the board, just your ass from you.

Just to note what most of you already know, I voluntarily removed myself from the moderator role about a month ago...so don't go emailing me!

Slackmaster 2000