Has Anyone Tried Uploading Songs To Music Libraries???

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Another PK said:
Of course, you can always go and listen to Idiot Element tapes and give them re-gurgitated that never-worked advice.

The big difference is mine is from experience yours is from the brainwashed VMG cult. You just regurgitate what your leader tells you to.

The bottom line still is I have nothing to loose Im not selling anything....its you and VMG who are trying to sell people the pipe dream. At the end of the day all this information, the way you and the General have conducted yourselves will be enough for people to say .....forget VMG its a scam.
 
And if anyone is willing to accept the opinion of a "newbie", here's another difference: Pashop has nothing to prove. His arguments are intelligent, well-constructed, and it's painfully obvious that his knowledge is quite conducive to the whole idea beyond this forum--he is someone that obviously knows something about recording and he is someone that has obviously played around the parts of the industry that the rest of us are "beginning in"...i.e. the idea of putting our shit to disc and figuring out how to send it out there. In my book, his credibility is solidified. Has this crap gone on too long? Maybe. At the same time, it's rather refreshing to see someone with the endurance to take a stand against this sort of shit.

General: You and your ridiculous camp are absolutely one of the largest conglomerations of sheer idiocy that it has ever been my pleasure to read about. Thank you for advertising on my behalf. Please feel free to post some assinine 17 paragraph response on how I don't know shit about music. I promise I'll cry about it.

Pashop, Flo, et al: Other people may be bitching about this, but you're doing something necessary here. If they don't like it, then they don't have to read it. But for some of us, it's nice to know just how bad things can get in this "best of all industries." (can't believe I just quoted that dillhole....) Keep up the education.
 
... i, too aplaude the efforts of anyone out there who takes the time to help others avoid wasting their time and money on things that don't necessarily work. i would just like to see these elements gone from forums like this so we independent artists can spend more time discussing the stuff that does work... like creating good music, getting it recorded well, booking shows, touring, building up a following, etc.
i say screw most aspects of this "industry", and create your own path... it's a great time for the d.i.y'ers out there, and word of mouth is perhaps the most powerful tool artists have.
peace - jv
 
Purge,

It's obvious you're another of those sucked into and welded into the same stupidities as pasass that never-did-work for anybody else either. You can do that. Anybody can. Takes neither effort nor intelligence.

And this Best Of All Industries will get along very well without your contamination!

That's why all those IDIOCIES were designed, and why they are STILL perpetuated! To keep the FOOLS out of competition at the lowest possible cost to those who want the whole hog to themselves: THE MAJORS! It worked sixty years ago, it worked forty years before that, and it works today - for those stupid enough to fall for it.

TDA
 
The General said:
Purge,

It's obvious you're another of those sucked into and welded into the same stupidities as pasass that never-did-work for anybody else either. You can do that. Anybody can. Takes neither effort nor intelligence.

And this Best Of All Industries will get along very well without your contamination!

That's why all those IDIOCIES were designed, and why they are STILL perpetuated! To keep the FOOLS out of competition at the lowest possible cost to those who want the whole hog to themselves: THE MAJORS! It worked sixty years ago, it worked forty years before that, and it works today - for those stupid enough to fall for it.

TDA

Look its the General from the gates of hell with fire and no water
(I love that line )
The name calling is so VMG ....its truly all they have to offer
 
pasass

Still the idiot. Did it ever occur to your retarded brain cell that if your spewed stupidities were put on the market they could make you a fortune selling to those who want to give a cat's ass the heartburn?

You damned sure don't have anything else to offer. And that market is at least as big as your fan following.

TDA
 
TDA

Please take your racist cracker BS to another board. We're tired of it. You have been given ample opportunity to play nice and have yet to do so. I'm sure my little post will set off another round of "clever" wordplay on my nic, as well as some sort of ad hominum attack on me. So be it. Release the hounds!
 
Upload, download, reload...

This is a direct quote from an article on VMG's website - fully endorsed by bobby farrell the general vmg
The dream of getting
a recording contract
and living happily
everafter in the lap of luxury
is the prime motivation for most entertainers,
despite the few burned out hippies
that still insist
in their best American N*I*G*G*E*R* english,
"for the arts, man".
Being an actor, singer, musician,
or any other 'art' related profession
is being in that particular business!
 
freshmess

The only 'racist' we've encountered on this BB is Floggy Dongy - and it must be because he can't even make it with little boys.

Do you have the same set of problems?

TDA
 
C'mon, General, is that the best you can do? Freshmess? I frankly expected more from a self declared captain of industry and leader of men. And a little dig at my sexuality. Brilliant.

Maybe one of your lackeys can do better.

How exactly to you explain the usage of the "N" word on your website, and your claims of "The KAK Conspriracy". Oops, better add anti-semite to the old resume, sir. Racist honkey motherf***er isn't quite enough for you.

Go peddle your wares elsewhere. We're all bored now.
 
Wow... this is really quite a battel ... accross two threads (that I've seen so far)!

I can see (semi) valid points on both sides... on one hand, pashop's offering the "get where you want to be by working your ass off to get there" method at no cost....

and The General (although he is offering info about how the industry works in regards to how artists get "raped") is offering what appears to be a service...

here's what I got out of everything I've read so far from the General:

(1) He's selling a mareting strategy. He has in several posts stated (claimed) that it's a tool to be used to test marketability...

(2) He appears to be making good use (strictly from a business perspective) of the "people only see/hear what they want to see/hear.... I'll elaborate:

Although I have no way of knowing if the charts he offers are indeed accurate, I will assume for the sake of this post that the charts are indeed accurate:

As a tool, such a chart could be a valuable tool to assess marketability in several demographics... I know this based on experience through travelling with a band... we played about 50% cover tunes and 50% our own... in the Detroit/Windsor area our original music was not well liked... all they wanted to hear was covers... however; the further West we went the more people liked the new stuff and shunned the covers...

Pashop... I haven't seen you address this yet... although I have no doubt you might be able to offer a method to (economically) test your music in other demographics, I haven't seen that yet... and I'd like to discuss some of those ideas further with you... maybe over a few beers if you ever get your ass to town again! ;) :p :D :D

IF the service offered by these music libraries is indeed legit and can offer you a service much like the famed "Neilson" offers TV, then it's a tool that has it's place... when the time is right for a musician to use such a service!

HOWEVER

People only hear and see what they want. Someone with stars in their eyes will blow every dime they have to see their name on ANY chart... no matter weather or not it moves their career forward.... it doesn't really matter if the big dogs use the service or not... if it provides accurate info about marketability, then it's useful... if there's a way to get the same info for free, then it's good business to sell it where others give it away...

Hell if I could sell refried beans over and over again I would... profit is profit... and in my opinion, if someone is not smart enough to read ALL the fine print and fully understand that there is no real "promise" made, then sorry about their luck...

... people don't do things to people... people do things to themselves... I've always believed that... weather or not he's selling a scam is irrelevent... what matters is what people "percieve" he is selling... and most people will percieve it is a path to instant stardom.

- Tanlith -
 
I decided to go on The Velvet Rope forum a place where much of the industry lives. I have seen down right battles in this place so when I posted for information about VMG I was surprised when within a few minutes they pulled the post. This is the email I received shortly after from the board moderator:

From: velvet rope moderator:
I delete all posts about the company here since it always turns into a very non productive conversation. Please communicate directly with the label for your inquiries. They are, apparently, not held in the highest esteem by users here and use this board for their own promotional agendas at times, and those posts too end up deleted.

Next is a former VMG client:

Since you know so much, like Michael, the wife of Dominic John, who blew the lists we sent and began her stupid rampage, anyone who checks the Billboard International and other Buyer's Guides are going to see you for the damned liar and damned fool you really are." farrell the LIAR
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The man is a compulsive liar. First off, read what this lying drunk moron wrote. The whole sentence make no sense.
My wife is named Michal not Michael and she did not receive the "lists" and then proceed to "blow" them, whatever that even means. All the lying scam artist ever sent was the total piece of crap they printed on cheap paper that was nothing more than a pathetic, paltry list of radio stations in Arizona. I paid this scam artist a lot of money to receive a list of some 3,000 stations the LIAR farrell claimed he sent his total piece of crap, "Artist Series", to. I'll bet you this LIAR named farrell never even sent the piece of crap called "Artist Series" to any radio stations at all. The proven LIAR declared he would send me the "total list" and now it's 2004 and I'm still waiting...
farrell the LIAR knows that I will check with the 3,000 stations he claims he sent the artist series cd to and then the jig will be up. So, the LYING scam artist will never even try to fabricate a list with 3,000 stations on it.
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Here is farrell proclaiming he would send the "total" list on a VMG message board:
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"Dominic, When I talked last - with the lady who represented you at the time - she confirmed that you had received the station list. I assumed it was the TOTAL list, and obviously she was referring to the ARIZONA list. Even so, the TOTAL list will be on its way asap. If there was a failure, it was mine, and mine alone. "
That Damned Akurian
General Bobby Farrell.
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farrell is nothing more than a delusional cult leader that refuses to tell anyone where his alleged cds can be purchased.
I found this delusional bullsh*t about farrell the LIARon the net years ago:
An unauthorized publication of known, indisputable facts about a Living Legend! This page is incomplete and contains many facts outside the Entertainment Industry. Many Special THANKS to all those who provided First-Hand Information about this amazing Gentleman.
Singer, Songwriter, Recording Artist, Broadcaster, Model, Actor, Producer, Publisher, Promoter, Licenser, Distributor, and that's just a few of his Entertainment Credits! Radio Personality and Recording Artist at 6, Pathfinder at 12, Ordained Minister and Commissioned Officer (Leftenant) at 14! The Pathfinders Mission/Rescue Order's Highest Decorated! Knighted twice! Order of the Golden Rose and Knights of the Throne of Israel!
Now just who do you think they are talking about? Elvis Presley? "bleeped" no, not even Elvis could do as much as this, "amazing Gentleman"!!! LOL
"Order of the Golden Rose of Knights of the Throne of Israel"?
Man, this CULT likes the long titles. :-)
In farrell's own words...
"As for the ".org" - we took that tag in keeping with the fact VMG and all its subs are wholly owned by The Anointed of God Assembly - parent Charter of the Military Order of Pathfinders a non-profit, charitable organization, militarily structured as a matter of administration (as is the Salvation Army)."
That Damned Akurian
General Bobby Farrell.
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"First, VMG is owned by "The Anointed of God Assembly, parent charter of "The Military Order of Pathfinders", a non-profit mission rescue."
A non-profit, military assembly, on a self-proclaimed "anointed" rescue mission, is not what I thought I was buying into.
another quote: "This is about the same as the "Salvation Army" except they do not evangelize or run "drunk-tanks".
Is dressing up like Satan Clause and collecting money in the name of brotherhood one of the "VMG cult" endeavors?
What other ways are you like the "salvation army"?
Who wants to pay the "salvation army" $10,000.00 to get an ExP, guaranteed worldwide distribution, contract?
Now, who would pay, VMGWORLDWIDE.ORG, the CULT, $10,000.00 for their ExP, guaranteed worldwide distribution contract?
People, get out while you still can.
farrell is a fraud, and he deceived me. I was never brainwashed by this wolf, but he did con me out of a substantial amount of money. He has no remorse, he is military and out of control.
Leave the man to be destroyed by his own vices.
Get away while you still can.
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VMG pretends to be in the business of music, but in fact, they are nothing more than a non-profit, charitable organization.
I still have the web page cached at google, it is just no longer part of the www.circleonerecords.com website.
I have no intentions of joining your bbs but you can post anything you want from my e-mail and I will gladly send you much more. Beware this cult called The Anointed of God Assembly - parent Charter of the Military Order of Pathfinders pretending to be in the business of music.
Sincerely,
Dominic John
P.S. The satellite library (atlantic-satellite.com) claiming to have songs available for download is part of the scam, too.


WOW check this out……the big scam websites
http://whatsonthe.net/scammks.htm?FACTNet
Could it be when you scroll down ………atlantic-satellite…hmm
Also does it not seem kind of strange the only place that has any information on this service is http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=29647 a place where anyone can get anything posted. As well the person who posted the information on mi2n is from a website that does not exist
One would think such a big reputable chart would have more backup information. You would think they would be easy to locate . You would think they would have more than a one page setup Seems most of the hype for this comes from the VMG camp.


It’s a VMG rip-off
http://www.songhookers.com/


For people who can’t get enough of the General and his cronies ……wow they sound like a broken record. I’m sure the General with a million names knows what that sounds like.
These folks are in serious need of therapy. Hooper must be laughing his ass off looks like he has been through this a few times
http://www.avmrnetwork.com/MusicDiscussionsAndArticles/HowRadioWorks.htm
http://www.avmrnetwork.com/MusicDiscussionsAndArticles/tiffanybarsotti1.htm
http://www.avmrnetwork.com/MusicDiscussionsAndArticles/Gunburner3.htm


This is great ,the General posts all his same crap with other people as the authors
http://www.cnybands.com/thegeneralindex.html
 
This is a direct quote from an article on VMG's website - fully endorsed by bobby farrell the general vmg
The dream of getting
a recording contract
and living happily
everafter in the lap of luxury
is the prime motivation for most entertainers,
despite the few burned out hippies
that still insist
in their best American N*I*G*G*E*R* english,
"for the arts, man".
Being an actor, singer, musician,
or any other 'art' related profession
is being in that particular business!
 
pashop said:
I decided to go on The Velvet Rope forum a place where much of the industry lives. I have seen down right battles in this place so when I posted for information about VMG I was surprised when within a few minutes they pulled the post. This is the email I received shortly after from the board moderator:

From: velvet rope moderator:
I delete all posts about the company here since it always turns into a very non productive conversation. Please communicate directly with the label for your inquiries. They are, apparently, not held in the highest esteem by users here and use this board for their own promotional agendas at times, and those posts too end up deleted.

i wish this forum was moderated... makes total sense.

--->note to the "general": go away... your ridiculous posts serve no purpose here other than to defend yourself.

--->note to others: here's a thought... how about we just ignore these rants, as hard as it may be, so he will just go away. i appreciate folks fighting the good fight, but it is obvious that it is not ever going to sink in with this guy, and the rehashing of this topic is getting mighty old. it makes this forum look like a soap opera. the most productive thing you can do is to ignore this maniac, so he will go away, which is the goal... right?
peace - jv
 
tanlith

THANKS for the sanity. The Idiot Element is too wrapped up in their own perpetual stupidities to appreciate it.

TDA
 
... look, all involved in this "debate" have experience, and valid points. it is the way in which it is being conducted that is stupid, and incredibly immature. fact is, there are no right answer here, and much could be learned from a "real" discussion of different protocol for "success" in this business... minus the personal attacks. this type of bullshit only perpetuates more bullshit, and brings the overall value of this forum down.
sooo, can't we really discuss these ideas without acting like children, and trying to one-up each other. nobody wins.
thank you - jv
 
johneeeveee said:
... look, all involved in this "debate" have experience, and valid points. it is the way in which it is being conducted that is stupid, and incredibly immature. fact is, there are no right answer here, and much could be learned from a "real" discussion of different protocol for "success" in this business... minus the personal attacks. this type of bullshit only perpetuates more bullshit, and brings the overall value of this forum down.
sooo, can't we really discuss these ideas without acting like children, and trying to one-up each other. nobody wins.
thank you - jv

I’m not sure how many times I have said the exact same thing only to have the General and his gang of losers come on here and start calling people names and spewing bullshit like it was the bible . I’m tired of it. People everywhere are tired of it. This guy does this everywhere he goes and has for years, you would think if his method was successful he wouldn't have the time for such petty arguing. You don't see Taxi on here freaking on people. Dave Hooper is on but I’m telling you I’m having allot more respect for DH after this nonsense. At least he knows how to dance. I would love for these people to stop preaching and picking on folks who do not agree with there cultish ways
 
Pashop I think you misunderstood that Hoax and scam website at http://whatsonthe.net/scammks.htm?FACTNet.

You should have taken the time to notcie that the actual sites are sites that REPORT those scams and ARE NOT the scam.

Attorney General of Rhode Island
http://www.riag.state.ri.us/

AntiFraud.Com - Credit Card Fraud Prevention for Online Commerce
http://antifraud.com/

AT&T helps consumer group catch scam artists with FraudNET
http://www.att.com/press/0295/950221.bsa.html

Yahoo! scam continues
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/inwo/1219/265121.html

ATLANTIC SATELLITE TOP-2,500 RECORDS BUYER'S GUIDE
http://www.atlantic-satellite.com/

With misunderstanding like that I can see where most on here can twist the truth. Pashop you even said "WOW check this out……the big scam websites" which now I guess you can see why you were wrong. jumping the gun on finding things and then interpreting them the way you want isnt fair in this world. I loked at the links yu put up and epecially the hoax website and had to really think to my self that you can't be that naive. it is a site that REPORTS scams yes. but it is a website that has LINKS to website that REPORT ON scams. Geesh. Glad I looked and didnt take your word for it.
 
Pashop I think you misunderstood that Hoax and scam website at http://whatsonthe.net/scammks.htm?FACTNet.

You should have taken the time to notice that the actual sites are sites that REPORT those scams and ARE NOT the scam. At least the links that work anyway.

Attorney General of Rhode Island
http://www.riag.state.ri.us/

AntiFraud.Com - Credit Card Fraud Prevention for Online Commerce
http://antifraud.com/

AT&T helps consumer group catch scam artists with FraudNET
http://www.att.com/press/0295/950221.bsa.html

Yahoo! scam continues
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/inwo/1219/265121.html

ATLANTIC SATELLITE TOP-2,500 RECORDS BUYER'S GUIDE
http://www.atlantic-satellite.com/

With misunderstanding like that I can see where most on here can twist the truth. Pashop you even said "WOW check this out……the big scam websites" which now I guess you can see why you were wrong. jumping the gun on finding things and then interpreting them the way you want isnt fair in this world. I looked at the links yu put up and epecially the hoax website and had to really think to my self that you can't be that naive. it is a website that has LINKS to websites that REPORT ON scams. Geesh. Glad I looked and didnt take your word for it.
 
whynot said:
Pashop I think you misunderstood that Hoax and scam website at http://whatsonthe.net/scammks.htm?FACTNet.

You should have taken the time to notice that the actual sites are sites that REPORT those scams and ARE NOT the scam. At least the links that work anyway.

Attorney General of Rhode Island
http://www.riag.state.ri.us/

AntiFraud.Com - Credit Card Fraud Prevention for Online Commerce
http://antifraud.com/

AT&T helps consumer group catch scam artists with FraudNET
http://www.att.com/press/0295/950221.bsa.html

Yahoo! scam continues




http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/inwo/1219/265121.html

ATLANTIC SATELLITE TOP-2,500 RECORDS BUYER'S GUIDE
http://www.atlantic-satellite.com/

With misunderstanding like that I can see where most on here can twist the truth. Pashop you even said "WOW check this out……the big scam websites" which now I guess you can see why you were wrong. jumping the gun on finding things and then interpreting them the way you want isnt fair in this world. I looked at the links yu put up and epecially the hoax website and had to really think to my self that you can't be that naive. it is a website that has LINKS to websites that REPORT ON scams. Geesh. Glad I looked and didnt take your word for it.

Everything was emailed to me from VMG haters everywhere.
I will have a closer look you could be correct..........well I looked and for the most part it sends the reader to scams that it has discovered. If Atlantic Satellitte is clear then why are they on a site called ...Scams, Fraud, Hoaxes, Chain Letters: On the net!

But did you take a good look.

This website is not listed anywhere but on VMG
The breakdown for what Atlantic Satellite does is posted on a hype bullitian board that anyone can post on.
The author who posted about the board comes up dead.
The guy who the General ripped off posted "P.S. The satellite library (atlantic-satellite.com) claiming to have songs available for download is part of the scam, too "
The email address on the site no one ever answers
There is no names and contact numbers available

If someone can put up some real proof as in a contact person then that would clear this up
 
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