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pashop
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Another PK said:
I did....just not the answers you want to hear
I did....just not the answers you want to hear
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Another PK
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You didn't address the issue of a working model - GENERAL and BASIC for the budget, one that has numbers and or dollar figures to go with the "method" you addressed earlier.
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The General
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pashass,
If you're so damned hung up in my past credits, you ought to be absolutely pissed at anything VMG is doing now. Glad you're a well-pissed spewer, it helps to weed the Idiot Element.
And you STILL haven't answered Another PK's question as to what all your nonsense would cost. The rest of us fully understand you haven't a clue as to those answers either.
And ……… you STILL haven’t explained the reputed VMG ‘scam’ or produced one solitary victim. I guess your just to damned stupid to realize there aren’t any!
whynot
then is this the same sort of process that is used when tv rates viewers? I always wanted to know how they knew how many people tunned in to a show. If this is the sort of thing your talking about then it would make sense to me. Since I know those numbers dont just appear then it has to be a system similar. But you can tell me if I'm wrong.
Not quite. There are specific places, homes and commercial sites, equipped with video channel monitors that report what channel, what time, etcetera, that deliver the gathered information to the reputed ‘ratings’ agencies. If you BUY Nielson, you’re going to be high in the Nielson ratings … Buy enough Billboard advertising (whether it gets printed or not) and you’re going to be high in the Billboard ‘charts’.
Next question I have is about Billboard. Are they just United Stated only? If so then wheres the rest of the data gathered from? Take like Nora Jones. If she is charting on Billboard and if Billboard is only US then where is the rest of the data coming from on a global range?
Billboard invented SoundSCAM after I blew them, R&R, Gavin, Cashbox, Record Rack, Indie Bullet and a few dozen lessers out of the water back in ‘89/’90 by exposing their phony bought-and-paid-for ‘charts’. Of that infernal six, only Billboard and R&R still survive. Cashbox, Record Rack and Indie Bullet folded like wet sacks almost immediately, as did the lessers. Billboard, R&R and Gavin all went into receivership or up-for-sale in the same time frame. Billboard sold to VNU, a Dutch publisher, R&R is barely alive, and Gavin folded a couple of years back. Good riddance to the lot of them!
Instead of being based on ‘reporting’ stations information, Sound SCAM supposedly counts the record sales via 10,000 (US) cash registers of ‘selected’ record stores. They reputedly have the same system installed in England, Germany, Japan, Italy, etcetera.
Billboard published a #1 chart position for Eminem a few months back before the record was even manufactured! No problem with it being in Sony’s promolibrary (and thus everyone else’s) but they were caught looking since a non-existent record can’t be swiped through a cash register reader! Then Sony began a vast cover-up campaign claiming they had to release the record early because “the counterfeiters” were selling it.
POPPYCOCK! Only Sony had access to the masters, the anti-counterfeiting codes, the artwork, the UPC codes, and all necessary logistics and securities to register the product with SoundSCAM! They were lying through their teeth just like Billboard did when they published a non-existent record in their #1 position. But the Idiot Element, like pashophead hold to Billboard as being god, law, gospel and all the saints. Of course, the Idiot Element is that stupid.
There’s more: BDS monitors ‘selected’ radio stations, identifying the various music by its digital signature (as does Atlantic from the satellite channels), doctors the information and is reputedly the basis for R&R’s charts. We deliberately went through the BDS process, did some monitoring ourselves to verify we were being played on their list of stations, and found our record duly there in the BDS library, but no where in their reports!
As for Norah Jones, her records are playing because they are bought onto the air and she’s in the Billboard and R&R charts because she’s bought there too! Norah Jones should not be held liable for that, the General Licenser EMI and Blue Note Records should be.
Im thinking that it can only be coming from these satellite tranfers. Can you explain? I think since we are told how many people tunned into superbowl then it stands to reason that we can tell how many times a song is played. Is it all based on the same idea?
To some degree. There is no data in an everyday satellite signal that tells WHERE its going, nor necessarily WHERE it came from, only that it is present at the time. Specific pay-per channels are a different story and can be monitored right down to the final knit. On-Unit or In-Line monitors as mentioned above can do the same thing for that specific television or location.
The bottom line is simple enough, getting a finance-your-pipe-dream recording contract, air play, chart position except for Atlantic, etcetera, find yourself a KAK Clique Connection and put your money on the table.
THANKS for the questions.
TDA
If you're so damned hung up in my past credits, you ought to be absolutely pissed at anything VMG is doing now. Glad you're a well-pissed spewer, it helps to weed the Idiot Element.
And you STILL haven't answered Another PK's question as to what all your nonsense would cost. The rest of us fully understand you haven't a clue as to those answers either.
And ……… you STILL haven’t explained the reputed VMG ‘scam’ or produced one solitary victim. I guess your just to damned stupid to realize there aren’t any!
whynot
then is this the same sort of process that is used when tv rates viewers? I always wanted to know how they knew how many people tunned in to a show. If this is the sort of thing your talking about then it would make sense to me. Since I know those numbers dont just appear then it has to be a system similar. But you can tell me if I'm wrong.
Not quite. There are specific places, homes and commercial sites, equipped with video channel monitors that report what channel, what time, etcetera, that deliver the gathered information to the reputed ‘ratings’ agencies. If you BUY Nielson, you’re going to be high in the Nielson ratings … Buy enough Billboard advertising (whether it gets printed or not) and you’re going to be high in the Billboard ‘charts’.
Next question I have is about Billboard. Are they just United Stated only? If so then wheres the rest of the data gathered from? Take like Nora Jones. If she is charting on Billboard and if Billboard is only US then where is the rest of the data coming from on a global range?
Billboard invented SoundSCAM after I blew them, R&R, Gavin, Cashbox, Record Rack, Indie Bullet and a few dozen lessers out of the water back in ‘89/’90 by exposing their phony bought-and-paid-for ‘charts’. Of that infernal six, only Billboard and R&R still survive. Cashbox, Record Rack and Indie Bullet folded like wet sacks almost immediately, as did the lessers. Billboard, R&R and Gavin all went into receivership or up-for-sale in the same time frame. Billboard sold to VNU, a Dutch publisher, R&R is barely alive, and Gavin folded a couple of years back. Good riddance to the lot of them!
Instead of being based on ‘reporting’ stations information, Sound SCAM supposedly counts the record sales via 10,000 (US) cash registers of ‘selected’ record stores. They reputedly have the same system installed in England, Germany, Japan, Italy, etcetera.
Billboard published a #1 chart position for Eminem a few months back before the record was even manufactured! No problem with it being in Sony’s promolibrary (and thus everyone else’s) but they were caught looking since a non-existent record can’t be swiped through a cash register reader! Then Sony began a vast cover-up campaign claiming they had to release the record early because “the counterfeiters” were selling it.
POPPYCOCK! Only Sony had access to the masters, the anti-counterfeiting codes, the artwork, the UPC codes, and all necessary logistics and securities to register the product with SoundSCAM! They were lying through their teeth just like Billboard did when they published a non-existent record in their #1 position. But the Idiot Element, like pashophead hold to Billboard as being god, law, gospel and all the saints. Of course, the Idiot Element is that stupid.
There’s more: BDS monitors ‘selected’ radio stations, identifying the various music by its digital signature (as does Atlantic from the satellite channels), doctors the information and is reputedly the basis for R&R’s charts. We deliberately went through the BDS process, did some monitoring ourselves to verify we were being played on their list of stations, and found our record duly there in the BDS library, but no where in their reports!
As for Norah Jones, her records are playing because they are bought onto the air and she’s in the Billboard and R&R charts because she’s bought there too! Norah Jones should not be held liable for that, the General Licenser EMI and Blue Note Records should be.
Im thinking that it can only be coming from these satellite tranfers. Can you explain? I think since we are told how many people tunned into superbowl then it stands to reason that we can tell how many times a song is played. Is it all based on the same idea?
To some degree. There is no data in an everyday satellite signal that tells WHERE its going, nor necessarily WHERE it came from, only that it is present at the time. Specific pay-per channels are a different story and can be monitored right down to the final knit. On-Unit or In-Line monitors as mentioned above can do the same thing for that specific television or location.
The bottom line is simple enough, getting a finance-your-pipe-dream recording contract, air play, chart position except for Atlantic, etcetera, find yourself a KAK Clique Connection and put your money on the table.
THANKS for the questions.
TDA
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whynot
New member
So General since you say to some degree. There is no data in an everyday satellite signal that tells WHERE its going, nor necessarily WHERE it came from, only that it is present at the time.
then are you saying that if I wanted to find out where a song is playing from then I cant? Do I have to prove to Sony or You or Warner where my songs are playing or do they already know if I were to have a song playing in the top 2500 that I am getting played and will that be enough for them to accept. I guess I want to know is how I can prove to them that it did. Thanks for your answering.
then are you saying that if I wanted to find out where a song is playing from then I cant? Do I have to prove to Sony or You or Warner where my songs are playing or do they already know if I were to have a song playing in the top 2500 that I am getting played and will that be enough for them to accept. I guess I want to know is how I can prove to them that it did. Thanks for your answering.
A
Another PK
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Adressing Pashop’s Method
VMG’s advice is to keep a song in 3:30 running time, get in to the song quickly, get out of the song quickly and put things in a good balance. We state that we don’t know which songs will work. The truth is no one knows what will work. If anyone did, they could call the amount of money they desired in this industry and record company execs would pay the bill.
It is nice to have the support of those who love you, but that in itself is not the determining factor of what makes up a good song or whether you should base a career on their support exclusively.
Let’s hope that at this stage of the game it doesn’t COST too much. Maybe since this is homerecording.com, people here have enough equipment to record in their own home studios so that COST of production isn’t exorbitant. But when and/or if it is time to go into a studio, what is a fair price? By the hour, per how many hours, per song?
Pashop – one of the statements in the article you referred everyone to regarding the rejections of Demo’s included some of these issues. That’s one of them there pieces of advice you referred everyone to that wasn’t very good information in totality.
How much does this part COST? You know, we won’t even include time involved here. Of course we could, IF it is something that you need to HIRE someone to do. We’ll just hope that the COST is reasonable to drive (cost) those tapes (cost) around. What is a fair price that you all would like to put here?
Pashop – was this a paying job or another non-paying showcase that everyone is supposed to generate a nonpaying fan base that may turn into the hopes of being paying ones?
How many of these do you have to do before you start making some money? How much does this COST to do? All this while, you have other COSTS associated that may have to be maintained. How much is the budget up to at this point?
People complain all the time that they do these things and there is no money involved, or the amount of money involved barely covers the gas bill. Is this unfamiliar to any of the rest of you?
Do you have a COST factor in inviting the people you do?
At VMG, we advise against spending thousands of dollars. In fact, we start off with $600.00 per song (OK – it could end up being $6,000 to test 10 of them) before you spend a ton of money. We recommend finding out if something has a chance to work.
It is clear that you have heard VMG artists that have met the ‘standards’ and don’t like them. We don’t have a problem with that because we don’t. But, exactly what standard is it that you’re looking for? What costs are involved?
Of course, the faxes and long distances are free huh?
What is/are the requirement(s) for a great song(s)? Is it a case that a song can only be great if pashop has had something to do with it? It is clear that you, pashop, don’t like any of the VMG material that you’ve listened to, but then you also didn’t have any thing to do with any of it/them. I’ll bet that if we took some kind of survey, we’d probably find material that you’ve worked on that we (the rest of us) don’t particularly like. Nothing personal, it is just that we might like some other music more.
VMG’s advice is to keep a song in 3:30 running time, get in to the song quickly, get out of the song quickly and put things in a good balance. We state that we don’t know which songs will work. The truth is no one knows what will work. If anyone did, they could call the amount of money they desired in this industry and record company execs would pay the bill.
It is nice to have the support of those who love you, but that in itself is not the determining factor of what makes up a good song or whether you should base a career on their support exclusively.
Let’s hope that at this stage of the game it doesn’t COST too much. Maybe since this is homerecording.com, people here have enough equipment to record in their own home studios so that COST of production isn’t exorbitant. But when and/or if it is time to go into a studio, what is a fair price? By the hour, per how many hours, per song?
Pashop – do you listen to tapes still? Or, is it a case that you want to be in 2004 and listen on a CD? To the rest of you, I would hope that you would send out CD’s and not tapes. No one wants to take a great deal of time cueing it up. Of course, if you don’t have another option other than cassette(s), be sure to cue it/them up. One song cued per tape. Your listeners/reviewers will appreciate that. When you do send cassettes (which I hope none of you do anymore) DON’T send them in envelopes that contain fiber that goes all over the place when it’s opened. Make your envelopes easy to open. Put ALL your contact information, including your email on EVERYTHING you send.
Pashop – one of the statements in the article you referred everyone to regarding the rejections of Demo’s included some of these issues. That’s one of them there pieces of advice you referred everyone to that wasn’t very good information in totality.
How much does this part COST? You know, we won’t even include time involved here. Of course we could, IF it is something that you need to HIRE someone to do. We’ll just hope that the COST is reasonable to drive (cost) those tapes (cost) around. What is a fair price that you all would like to put here?
Is any of this NEW to anyone? Does anyone think this is easy to do?
Pashop – was this a paying job or another non-paying showcase that everyone is supposed to generate a nonpaying fan base that may turn into the hopes of being paying ones?
How many of these do you have to do before you start making some money? How much does this COST to do? All this while, you have other COSTS associated that may have to be maintained. How much is the budget up to at this point?
People complain all the time that they do these things and there is no money involved, or the amount of money involved barely covers the gas bill. Is this unfamiliar to any of the rest of you?
Do you have a COST factor in inviting the people you do?
So you think it is important to throw it against a wall and see which sticks. But HOW do you know HOW much money to spend and WHEN will you know that you need to spend MORE time and money? Or, is it a case that something needs to change? How much is it COSTING or will it COST?
Did it ever occur to you that it is only about 1-2% of an audience that buys anything? It is terrific when they do buy and we all love the idea, but the numbers are very small by comparison. It is a shame that bands spend thousands of dollars that generally end up being drink coasters. But with a plan that throws it against the wall, what can you expect.
At VMG, we advise against spending thousands of dollars. In fact, we start off with $600.00 per song (OK – it could end up being $6,000 to test 10 of them) before you spend a ton of money. We recommend finding out if something has a chance to work.
Is this the part that all the money spent inviting people that didn’t pay before get to pay now? How much Revenue can be applied to reduce the amount spent with this one?
So family and people who didn’t pay to see this band are dictating the terms of the 10 best. How much COST was involved in demo-ing the entire 50 above?
Exactly what standard is that – red book? Orange book? Is it within the timeframes of 3:30 running time, quick into and out of the song? Is that the competition basis? Is it based on what people get for free?
It is clear that you have heard VMG artists that have met the ‘standards’ and don’t like them. We don’t have a problem with that because we don’t. But, exactly what standard is it that you’re looking for? What costs are involved?
So now a new COST is associated with going to another non-paying showcase. Is this going to involve airfare? Or is someone driving? Is there going to be more than one? How much is the cost involved for ALL the showcases in predominant cities? Is it a case that you recommend only one?
Does anyone else find this easy to do? Isn’t this a case that the books keep saying the same old story that doesn’t really work?
Of course, the faxes and long distances are free huh?
All those promo kits are free too. The website appeared perfect without any bugs because the designer simply knew just how to get one up and going for free too huh? The domain was free, time spent didn’t take any at all after all there were volunteers to do the design, the list goes on and on. Is the budget is getting out of hand because of tossing stuff out there – seeing which would stick. The reasonable cost of the promo kits, website, CD, etc., is HOW MUCH to add to the budget?
You are correct in that the contact base should increase as time goes by. But, is this putting money BACK into the coffers yet? What is it doing to the overall budget?
How much does it cost to create that “buzz”? If this worked ALL the time, what would be the need of this forum on this BB? Sure has been a lot of money in the budget up to now.
As a VMG supporter, that is where I would differ with you! Radio is a thing that should be one of the FIRST things on your mind because it helps with EVERYTHING else.
Sending CD’s to radio in Europe, Australia, etc. can be done, but it ain’t cheap. Last time I did it my average cost was $5.25 per package. And then there is additional time involved sending things abroad – like the customs paperwork. How many packages do you want to include to send for the budgetary number.
So what is the AVERAGE seller that people sell from their websites? And then the COST of getting the merchant account etc. sure is adding up.
According to most of the information out there, getting charted is EVERYTHING and is SO important! Even you, pashop, who regurgitates everything should know this. It is a case that YOU can do it?
A ton of money has been budgeted so far and not much has been coming back. Most people don’t find they recoup the cost of the CD by playing locally and/or selling it on consignment in their local record stores. In fact, most lose money doing it that way. I’m sure that we could take a poll and total the results from this community.
This hasn’t been successful for the many people who tried it AND for those that have signed with them there small independents only find it a stepping stone for the greater horror story when they’ve moved up to the Majors.
It has been a truth that the reports of advances are often different that what actually happened. Reading the reports of such generally falls truly short of the mark. The Artists who do, loose the right to call their own shots, loose the rights to their own music, have the chargebacks that leave them millions of dollars in debt, and the list goes on and on.
I do think it is may be important at some point to have an entertainment (or otherwise) lawyer, but I think it is more important that people should have a handle on what the business is about and how it works so that lawyer doesn’t COST so much first.
You mean you don’t think the record company should pay all those bills? Well if you do want to hire a promoter – at least we have some idea of that budget from your earlier post.
I agree with you there. The difference between us is that I can explain how you can get distribution and YOU didn’t.
And, the COST factor of finding that all out is climbing isn’t it. Of course, the COST factor OF finding it out really may not be worth it. Money COULD be spent in many other ways.
You’re right on the money there too – except that you neglected to mention that distribution isn’t free and in order to get it, it COSTS a lot of money.
So what is the COST factor associated with getting distribution?
But, you’ll give a lot of people useless and/or non supported information to keep them out of competing with you in that process. Not only did you NOT have a hand with any VMG artist music, your advice is to keep everyone else from competing against you.
You’re partly right about that one too and the COST factor can be astronomical by now.
Well we would disagree about that one. But, $600.00 to MARKET TEST a song could be rather useful to a lot of people.
You don’t have an original thought do you? All you can do is re-hash and re-gurgitate what everyone else has to say about the subject. But, it doesn’t work. If it did work, all the record companies wouldn’t be in the trouble they are in. There would be many more Independent Labels in the business. Bands wouldn’t have the struggles they do. The list goes on.
You’re partly right about that one too.
If you KNOW anything about how the industry works, you’ll find that it is easier to check references and NOT “give” your money away.
A good and honest promoter is a promoter that gives money under the table to that PD right?
What a start to find out who does the legalized payola right?
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Another PK
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Budgetary Line Items pashop's Method!
Here is a listing of the budgetary line items that could probably be extracted for what pashop regurgitated. No they are NOT formal and they could NEVER be used in a formal presentation for investment. I endeavored to put them in categories that you readers may be able to figure out the relationship to what pashop wrote. Some headings won’t be clear because pashop wasn’t. It is nevertheless a BASIC outline for a budget. The relevant numbers have a lot of contingencies including where you live and what you would like to do or get done and will vary accordingly.
The Song
Home Recording Studio Equipment (Sunk Cost)
Expendable supplies for Home Recording Studio
Studio
Hour
Number of Hours
Per Song
The Demo Tapes
Hopefully not Cassette Tapes
Blank CD’s
Is there an Art Charge requirement here?
Long Distance Telephone Costs
Postage
Office Supplies
CD Labels
Envelopes
Labor
Hourly
Number of Hours
Gas and Auto Maintenance Costs
Initial Playing
Gas and Auto Maintenance Costs
Promopacks
Presspacks
Telephone Costs
Postage
Office Supplies
Blank CD’s
CD Labels
CD Cases
Throw it against the wall
Presspacks
Promokits
Telephone
Marketing
Advertising
Equipment maintenance
Practice facility charges
New Equipment
Expendables
Coasters
Manufactured CD’s
Artwork charges?
Advertising
Marketing
Accounting?
Incidental and or Misc.
Costs associated with Merchandise?
Tee Shirts
Posters
Other
The 10 songs
Re-record? – that’s what pashop suggested
Mastering charges
Duplication and/or manufacture and enough to locally consign stock
New Artwork charges?
Costs associated with Competition and meeting Standard
Advertising
Marketing
Other?
Playing the Showcases
Gas
Air
Car Rental or Bus Ticket Money
Cost to ship equipment to and from
Hotel
Eating
Times How Many Showcases
Booking
Fax Machine if you don’t have one
Long Distance charges maybe
Definitely a land line to fax
Promopacks
Presskits
Website
Domain
Webspace
Costs to get a website designed
Costs to get the books or training to figure it out yourself
Software required to do the job
Merchant Account
Monthly charges for the merchant account
More non-paying showcases
Gas
Air
Car Rental or Bus Ticket Money
Cost to ship equipment to and from
Hotel
Eating
Creating the “Buzz”
More press packs/kits
More promo kits
Postage
Office Supplies
Long Distance Charges
Advertising
Marketing
Radio Promotion
Cost per week
Times how many weeks
Sending CD’s out of the country
Average cost per package
How many packages
Long distance phone follow up
Incidental Charges
Analysis Costs – Charting
Labor charges
Number of hours
Accounting
Legal?
Consignment Sales
Dealing with an independent record company
Time
Legal
Accounting
Preparations
Misc.
Record Promotion
Record Promoter
Costs associate with record promotion
Verification Costs
May include legal
Drawing up misc. contracts (record promotion, manager, booking, etc)
Manager
Distribution
Average price of distributed copy
Minimum number of distributed copies required
Cost of royalties
Cost of Administration costs
Secondary market costs
Grass Roots Costs
More free venues
Free giveaways
Advertisements
Misc
Revenue
Initial playing
Selling CD’s at venue
Selling Merchandise
Selling CD’s from website
Here is a listing of the budgetary line items that could probably be extracted for what pashop regurgitated. No they are NOT formal and they could NEVER be used in a formal presentation for investment. I endeavored to put them in categories that you readers may be able to figure out the relationship to what pashop wrote. Some headings won’t be clear because pashop wasn’t. It is nevertheless a BASIC outline for a budget. The relevant numbers have a lot of contingencies including where you live and what you would like to do or get done and will vary accordingly.
The Song
Home Recording Studio Equipment (Sunk Cost)
Expendable supplies for Home Recording Studio
Studio
Hour
Number of Hours
Per Song
The Demo Tapes
Hopefully not Cassette Tapes
Blank CD’s
Is there an Art Charge requirement here?
Long Distance Telephone Costs
Postage
Office Supplies
CD Labels
Envelopes
Labor
Hourly
Number of Hours
Gas and Auto Maintenance Costs
Initial Playing
Gas and Auto Maintenance Costs
Promopacks
Presspacks
Telephone Costs
Postage
Office Supplies
Blank CD’s
CD Labels
CD Cases
Throw it against the wall
Presspacks
Promokits
Telephone
Marketing
Advertising
Equipment maintenance
Practice facility charges
New Equipment
Expendables
Coasters
Manufactured CD’s
Artwork charges?
Advertising
Marketing
Accounting?
Incidental and or Misc.
Costs associated with Merchandise?
Tee Shirts
Posters
Other
The 10 songs
Re-record? – that’s what pashop suggested
Mastering charges
Duplication and/or manufacture and enough to locally consign stock
New Artwork charges?
Costs associated with Competition and meeting Standard
Advertising
Marketing
Other?
Playing the Showcases
Gas
Air
Car Rental or Bus Ticket Money
Cost to ship equipment to and from
Hotel
Eating
Times How Many Showcases
Booking
Fax Machine if you don’t have one
Long Distance charges maybe
Definitely a land line to fax
Promopacks
Presskits
Website
Domain
Webspace
Costs to get a website designed
Costs to get the books or training to figure it out yourself
Software required to do the job
Merchant Account
Monthly charges for the merchant account
More non-paying showcases
Gas
Air
Car Rental or Bus Ticket Money
Cost to ship equipment to and from
Hotel
Eating
Creating the “Buzz”
More press packs/kits
More promo kits
Postage
Office Supplies
Long Distance Charges
Advertising
Marketing
Radio Promotion
Cost per week
Times how many weeks
Sending CD’s out of the country
Average cost per package
How many packages
Long distance phone follow up
Incidental Charges
Analysis Costs – Charting
Labor charges
Number of hours
Accounting
Legal?
Consignment Sales
Dealing with an independent record company
Time
Legal
Accounting
Preparations
Misc.
Record Promotion
Record Promoter
Costs associate with record promotion
Verification Costs
May include legal
Drawing up misc. contracts (record promotion, manager, booking, etc)
Manager
Distribution
Average price of distributed copy
Minimum number of distributed copies required
Cost of royalties
Cost of Administration costs
Secondary market costs
Grass Roots Costs
More free venues
Free giveaways
Advertisements
Misc
Revenue
Initial playing
Selling CD’s at venue
Selling Merchandise
Selling CD’s from website
P
pashop
New member
The General said:
Back to the good old name calling again....your such a classy outfit.
Your past credits are all you have been shoving in people faces here General....well that an other things but I think Flo has the real nasty stuff covered.
There is no direct answer to APK ridiculous questions and you know that. There are to many variables not to mention that the question as a whole does not make any sense. And “ the rest of us” which is ….hmmmm……..you .
There was the issue of Circle on Records which you just happen to not respond to on the other thread. Regina Michelle who hosts one of your websites on a geocities server who is up on litigation for not fulfilling obligations
All the Vandor sites throughout the world which in many cases are run out of people basements.
The comments from Slacker90 on the other thread which kept you and your cronies quiet for a couple of day to which you responded with nonsense about you hanging with the president.
Your roster which goes to prove everything I said in previous posts
BENNY GOODMAN 2086 STRING OF PEARLS VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
BILLIE HOLIDAY 411 PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT ME WHEN I'M GONE VMG CLASSICS
BILLIE HOLIDAY 1198 LOVER WHERE CAN YOU BE VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
BOB KARL 554 GET ON YOUR CAMEL AND RIDE JUKE/VMG
BOB KARL 841 TALK TO ME DARLIN' JUKE/VMG
BOB KARL 963 THE LITTLE THINGS JUKE/VMG
BOB KARL 1096 HEY SADDAM JUKE/VMG
BOB KARL 1312 PROUD FREE BANNER JUKE/VMG
CHAMBERS BROTHERS 2051 WINDY AND WARM VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
CHICKIE WILLIAMS 1824 BEYOND THE SUNSET VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
CHRIS PATRICK CHAMBLEE 508 STILL JUKE/VMG
CHRIS PATRICK CHAMBLEE 643 TILL THE LIGHTS GO OUT JUKE/VMG
CHRIS PATRICK CHAMBLEE 914 BETWEEN THE LINES JUKE/VMG
CHRIS PATRICK CHAMBLEE 1106 THIS TIME JUKE/VMG
CHRIS PATRICK CHAMBLEE 1357 IT COMES BACK AROUND JUKE/VMG
CHYLON 665 AS ALL THE ANGELS KNOW VMG ARTIST SERIES V1
CHYLON 850 WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ICEFIRE/VMG/EMS
CHYLON 978 DANNY BOY ICEFIRE/VMG/EMS
CHYLON 1469 AND I LOVE YOU SO ICEFIRE/VMG/EMS
CHYLON 1638 ANGEL OF THE MORNING ICEFIRE/VMG/EMS
COMMANDER CODY 1467 WILLE AND THE HAND OUTS VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
DEMARCUS BENNETT 1659 I ADORE YOU VMG WORLD WIDE
DEMARCUS BENNETT 1907 FEELING FINE VMG WORLD WIDE
DEMARCUS BENNETT 2173 ALL MY LIFE VMG WORLD WIDE
DEMARCUS BENNETT 2428 THE REASON WHY VMG WORLD WIDE
DIANNE 786 FREE SPIRIT UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 859 BLU BLOCK SHADES UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 1076 IT'S OKAY UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 1220 JUST SAY IT UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 1445 READ MY MIND UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 1606 NEVER AGAIN UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 1792 I WANNA KNOW UVI/VMG/EMS
DIANNE 1962 TELL ME UVI/VMG/EMS
D'MENTION 523 IN THE LIMELIGHT SHE GLOWS ICEFIRE/VMG
D'MENTION 698 WE WON THE WORLD ICEFIRE/VMG
D'MENTION 816 FIRE ICEFIRE/VMG
D'MENTION 905 WHERE HE CAME FROM ICEFIRE/VMG
D'MENTION 1149 MY WAY ICEFIRE/VMG
D'MENTION 1250 WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES ICEFIRE/VMG
DOC & CHICKIE WILLIAMS 1842 SWEET HOUR OF PRAYER WHEELING/VMG/EMS
DOC WATSON 1590 HESITATIN' BLUES VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
DOC WILLIAMS 1926 MY OLD BROWN COAT AND ME WHEELING/VMG/EMS
EMMYLOU HARRIS 748 ICY BLUE HEART VANGUARD/VMG/EMS
FIREDRAGON 1825 IN YOUR ARMS AEROLITE/VMG ITALIA
FREDDIE FENDER 418 BEFORE THE NEXT TEARDROP FALLS BACK PORCH/VMG/EMS
FREDDIE FENDER 1874 RAIN RAIN RAIN RAIN VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
GLENN MILLER 1221 STRING OF PEARLS VMG CLASSICS
HANK LEWIS 2164 ANOTHER LOVER VANDOR INDIANA/VMG/EMS
JACQUE 2358 LEGENDS OF ROCK RHAPSODY/VMG/EMS
JASON ADAMS 1939 AUSTIN'S SONG VANDOR INDIANA/VMG/EMS
JESSIE WINCHESTER 1547 JAMBALAYA VMG CLASSICS
JIMMY REED 1912 BOOGIE IN THE DARK VMG CLASSICS
JOHN LEE HOOKER 459 SHOULD'VE BEEN GONE VMG CLASSICS
JOHN LEE HOOKER 1771 GONNA LEAVE RIGHT AWAY VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
K'CEE 2018 TAKE ME OUT TO AUSTIN VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
LEAH WINSLETT 1802 WHAT A WOMAN WANTS TO HEAR VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
LENA HORNE 1674 DEED I DO VMG CLASSICS
LINDA RONSTADT 378 WHEN WE RAN VANGUARD/VMG/EMS
LINO 677 NOW I KNOW [NEW KARAOKE] VANDOR/VMG
LINO 831 ALWAYS [NEW KARAOKE] VANDOR/VMG
LINO 1067 LIFE AS WE KNOW IT [NEW KARAOKE] VANDOR/VMG
LINO 1324 WISH UPON A STAR [NEW KARAOKE] VANDOR/VMG
LINO 1617 LIVING LIFE [NEW KARAOKE] VANDOR/VMG
LIONEL HAMPTON 1989 BOOGIE WOOGIE VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
LONE SOJOURNERS 631 STOMPIN GROUND ICEFIRE/VMG
LONE SOJOURNERS 941 ENDLESS TIME ICEFIRE/VMG
LONE SOJOURNERS 1295 ATL STRAIGHT LIVING ICEFIRE/VMG
LONE SOJOURNERS 1701 TRAIL OF TEARS ICEFIRE/VMG
LONE SOJOURNERS 1924 OH NO HELL NAW ICEFIRE/VMG
LONE SOJOURNERS 2220 HOT SPOT 365 DEGREES ICEFIRE/VMG
LOS TEMERARIOS 360 UNA LAGRIMA NO BASTA FONOVISA/VMG BRAZIL/EMS
MATT LUCAS 769 MAYBELLINE REDITA/VMG
MATT LUCAS 1083 ANNIE HAD A BABY REDITA/VMG
MATT LUCAS 1593 OOBY DOOBY REDITA/VMG
MATT LUCAS 1773 I'M MOVIN' ON REDITA/VMG
MATT LUCAS 2066 WATER MOCCASIN REDITA/VMG
MATT LUCAS 2390 PUT ME DOWN REDITA/VMG
MEL TORME 2159 ONE MORNING IN MAY VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
MICKY CRUZ 927 MAGDALENA VMG LATIN
MICKY CRUZ 1156 DAME UN POCO DE AMOR VMG WORLD WIDE V1
MICKY CRUZ 1365 MORENA VMG LATIN
NAT KING COLE 2049 IF YOU CAN'T SMILE AND SAY YES VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
NOELIA 355 CLAVAME TU AMOR FONOVISA/VMG BRAZIL/EMS
OAKRIDGE BOYS 1729 VICTORY IS A-COMING VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
PAUL SCHEINEMAN/HIGHWAY SIX 1571 AT THE ALAMO [SOUNDTRACK] VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
PLATTERS 390 TWILIGHT TIME VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 453 MY PRAYER VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 500 SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 1018 MAGIC TOUCH VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 1172 ENCHANTED VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 1436 EBB TIDE VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 1685 ONLY YOU VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 1956 HARBOR LIGHTS VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
PLATTERS 2409 RED SAILS IN THE SUNSET VANDOR/CLASSIC LIBRARY
REAL CROOKZ 876 SEX MONEY AND MURDER VMG WORLD WIDE
REAL CROOKZ 1139 TAKE COVER VMG WORLD WIDE
REAL CROOKZ 1263 MAINTAIN VMG WORLD WIDE
REAL CROOKZ 1862 CAROLINA FLOW VMG WORLD WIDE
REAL CROOKZ 2028 WHO THAT B' VMG WORLD WIDE
REAL CROOKZ 2170 SO-CALLED PLAYA VMG WORLD WIDE
RHAPSODY 635 I NEED TO KNOW NITRAM/VMG
RHAPSODY 757 LOVE SONG GONE WRONG NITRAM/VMG
RHAPSODY 936 STORY BOOK ROMANCE NITRAM/VMG
RHAPSODY 1095 PURPLE AND BLUE NITRAM/VMG
RHAPSODY 1145 I WON'T LET YOU GO NITRAM/VMG
RHAPSODY 1253 JUST YOU AND ME NITRAM/VMG/EMS
RHAPSODY 1520 WHERE DID WE GO WRONG NITRAM/VMG/EMS
RHAPSODY 1737 DON'T MAKE ME LOVE YOU NITRAM/VMG/EMS
RHAPSODY 1872 YOU JUST WANT TO RUN AWAY NITRAM/VMG/EMS
RHAPSODY 2056 EYE CONTACT NITRAM/VMG/EMS
RHAPSODY 2283 OPEN THE DOOR NITRAM/VMG/EMS
RHAPSODY 2454 DESTINY IS YOURS NITRAM/VMG/EMS
ROBIN ADAIR 1951 IN THE COMPANY OF HEROES [SOUNDTRACK] VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
ROBIN ADAIR/MASQUERADE 669 IT'S TIME WE STARTED FALLIN IN LOVE VMG ARTIST SERIES V2
ROBIN ADAIR/MASQUERADE 797 FOREVER [SOUNDTRACK] VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
ROBIN ADAIR/MASQUERADE 1433 ALL OVER YOU VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
ROY BROWN 1856 TRAVELIN' BLUES VMG CLASSICS
SABRINA PIKE 907 TALK TO ME VMG WORLD WIDE V1
SABRINA PIKE 1087 TIL THE MORNING LIGHT VMG WORLD WIDE/EMS
SERA DE MORTE' 839 DOWN TO THE RIVER ICEFIRE/VMG
SERA DE MORTE' 1055 WITCHES DANCE ICEFIRE/VMG
SERA DE MORTE' 1208 I'LL SMILE FOR YOU ICEFIRE/VMG
SERA DE MORTE' 1560 YOU LOOK SO GOOD ICEFIRE/VMG
SERA DE MORTE' 1663 CRYING SHAME ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 485 OVER AND OVER ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 597 I KNOW YOU ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 711 LEAVES ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 934 SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR LOVE ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 1042 FOREVER ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 1196 FREEDOM ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 1698 MERCY MERCY ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 2078 SOIL OF LOVE ICEFIRE/VMG
SHAUN ANDERSON 2274 OUTSTRETCH ICEFIRE/VMG
SLIMEREAPER 1769 ELEPHANT FART BOBBY FARRELL MUSIC/VMG/EMS
SPADE COOLEY 1743 BOIL THAT CABBAGE DOWN VMG CLASSICS
STIFFFF KITTIES 431 CRUSH THE DEMON ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 567 BLACK ROSE ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 694 ZZOMM BEES ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 1030 BLEED ME ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 1118 TAKE CONTROL ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 1276 GRIM REAPER UVI/VMG/EMS
STIFFFF KITTIES 1532 BOOK OF THE DEAD ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 1741 APOCALYPSE ICEFIRE/VMG
STIFFFF KITTIES 1876 BURIED ALIVE ICEFIRE/VMG
TAJ MAHAL 575 MILK COW BLUES VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
TANYA TUCKER 365 OLD WEAKNESS COMING ON STRONG TUCKERTIME/VMG/EMS
VIC DAMONE 1296 TOP OF THE WORLD VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
VIC DAMONE 2397 GHOST RIDERS IN THE SKY VMG CLASSICS
WAYLON JENNINGS 1563 SALLY WAS A GOOD OLD GIRL VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
WILLIE NELSON 2197 I'M BUILDING HEARTACHES VIDEO MUSIC/VMG/EMS
I suppose your going to have to come bursting out of the gates of hell with fire and no water……..lol that’s your best line yet
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pashop
New member
General you sure have allot of house cleaning to do
Promo Libraries & New Song Releases ...
You must submit a separate and signed copy of the Agreement form for each song-track to be placed into the Promo Library. Click here to View & Print a copy of the Promo Library Agreement.
For only $700 per song, you could achieve Radio Air-play at literally thousands of Radio Stations and Satellite subscriber outlets worldwide, plus a free presence on our Web-site to promote and sell your finished Album product over the Internet.
Promo Libraries are one of the most cost effective solutions for all Record Label companies and Artists to achieve Radio Air-play promotion, and at a mere fraction of the cost normally required to have song-tracks played at literally thousands of Radio Stations and general broadcast facilities all around the world. Please review the following material for a complete explanation and additional information about USOFT Records Promo Library Service with Vandor Music Group
(03/16/2003) USOFT Records has encountered numerous difficulties in working with certain members of the management staff and their Representatives at Vandor Music Group, in dealing with or adopting their policies and guidelines for Artist Promotion and Distribution, and accepting their stated policies against other organizations in the Music Industry, such as BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC. This has raised serious doubts on our part about their ability to meet overall requirements concerning support for our growing list of Album and Music products, and the many outstanding Entertainers that have elected to work with USOFT Records.
Therefore, we have chosen to seek alternative approaches with other organizations in meeting our high standards and demanding requirements for Promotion and Distribution. We will be reporting on our progress regarding this aspect of our business operations in the very near future. In the meantime, should you have any questions or any information concerning your own experiences with VMG, we would appreciate hearing from you; please forward all such correspondence by E-mail to: music@usoftrecords.com
Further development and marketing of our "Cyber Entertainment" capabilities, the sale of our new Electronic Jukebox products, Entertainment and Merchandise Club Memberships, plus the distribution of the more than 100 Latin Music CD-Albums and Video's currently represented by USOFT Records will now be offered through alternative promotion and distribution channels. All electronic and written correspondence previously received from us concerning the general availability of these and other items by way of our past association with Vandor Music Group, should be disregarded.
Promo Libraries & New Song Releases ...
You must submit a separate and signed copy of the Agreement form for each song-track to be placed into the Promo Library. Click here to View & Print a copy of the Promo Library Agreement.
For only $700 per song, you could achieve Radio Air-play at literally thousands of Radio Stations and Satellite subscriber outlets worldwide, plus a free presence on our Web-site to promote and sell your finished Album product over the Internet.
Promo Libraries are one of the most cost effective solutions for all Record Label companies and Artists to achieve Radio Air-play promotion, and at a mere fraction of the cost normally required to have song-tracks played at literally thousands of Radio Stations and general broadcast facilities all around the world. Please review the following material for a complete explanation and additional information about USOFT Records Promo Library Service with Vandor Music Group
(03/16/2003) USOFT Records has encountered numerous difficulties in working with certain members of the management staff and their Representatives at Vandor Music Group, in dealing with or adopting their policies and guidelines for Artist Promotion and Distribution, and accepting their stated policies against other organizations in the Music Industry, such as BMI, ASCAP, and SESAC. This has raised serious doubts on our part about their ability to meet overall requirements concerning support for our growing list of Album and Music products, and the many outstanding Entertainers that have elected to work with USOFT Records.
Therefore, we have chosen to seek alternative approaches with other organizations in meeting our high standards and demanding requirements for Promotion and Distribution. We will be reporting on our progress regarding this aspect of our business operations in the very near future. In the meantime, should you have any questions or any information concerning your own experiences with VMG, we would appreciate hearing from you; please forward all such correspondence by E-mail to: music@usoftrecords.com
Further development and marketing of our "Cyber Entertainment" capabilities, the sale of our new Electronic Jukebox products, Entertainment and Merchandise Club Memberships, plus the distribution of the more than 100 Latin Music CD-Albums and Video's currently represented by USOFT Records will now be offered through alternative promotion and distribution channels. All electronic and written correspondence previously received from us concerning the general availability of these and other items by way of our past association with Vandor Music Group, should be disregarded.
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The General
New member
whynot
You can find where a song is being played under a very few exceptions. Subscribing to broadcasters PLAY LISTS of those who have them and send them out (which in broadcasting are TWO different things, I assure you); and monitoring all the broadcast traffic yourself (which is expensive to the extreme). The fact is: there are no viable TRACKING services in existence! Any and all claims of such are outright congames. Period.
However, there are Industrial Intelligence factors and indicators that can be used to determine where - in what market as opposed to a specific broadcaster - a song/artist is warm to hot. Needless to say, exactly what factors and indicators, and how to analyze and collate them into any useful data, takes a lot of experience, time and money.
As for proving to Sony, Warner, whoever, that your song is playing in the Top 2,500, they already know! Probably BEFORE you do! They all subscribe to these super-expensive services, have staff who do nothing else but watch the changing data, and refine the results. If your song is there in the pile, the Majors are damned well aware of it. Whether they make that information available to their own A&R Departments is always a matter To question. It certainly doesn’t appear so.
“Would that be enough for them to accept?” NO! Record companies aren’t interested in anything they don’t already have a ton of money in, except the opportunity to get in on a ton of somebody else’s money! THAT is why nobody ever gets ‘discovered’ in the REAL world of recorded music!
You want a Major Label contract?
1 - Then get your music and your business house in order.
2 - Prove your product is commercially acceptable by Industry Standards.
3 - Be ready to secure a KAK Contact who can put YOUR MONEY on the table.
4 - Make damned sure you have ENOUGH money to play in that League.
5 - And be prepared for HUGE debt.
It’s NOT a matter of talent. Pounding on the ‘talent’ factor is the biggest congame in the Industry. As it clearly states in our site, “If you think it takes talent to make a record, turn on the radio!
It IS a matter of business. A business that WILL NOT WORK in accordance with ANY of the Beer Joint Baritone BULLSHIT spewed by the Idiot Element, the likes of pashasshead, Flo Crack-Pot, Outlaws, CyanJackass, or any of their stupid ilk.
Thanks for the questions.
pashophead
USOFT proved to be a congame of selling internet radio that nobody could find. We dropped them like a hot potato - or didn’t your stupidity let you get that far in your research?
The rest of your nonsense confirms your Idiot Element know-nothing status.
TDA
You can find where a song is being played under a very few exceptions. Subscribing to broadcasters PLAY LISTS of those who have them and send them out (which in broadcasting are TWO different things, I assure you); and monitoring all the broadcast traffic yourself (which is expensive to the extreme). The fact is: there are no viable TRACKING services in existence! Any and all claims of such are outright congames. Period.
However, there are Industrial Intelligence factors and indicators that can be used to determine where - in what market as opposed to a specific broadcaster - a song/artist is warm to hot. Needless to say, exactly what factors and indicators, and how to analyze and collate them into any useful data, takes a lot of experience, time and money.
As for proving to Sony, Warner, whoever, that your song is playing in the Top 2,500, they already know! Probably BEFORE you do! They all subscribe to these super-expensive services, have staff who do nothing else but watch the changing data, and refine the results. If your song is there in the pile, the Majors are damned well aware of it. Whether they make that information available to their own A&R Departments is always a matter To question. It certainly doesn’t appear so.
“Would that be enough for them to accept?” NO! Record companies aren’t interested in anything they don’t already have a ton of money in, except the opportunity to get in on a ton of somebody else’s money! THAT is why nobody ever gets ‘discovered’ in the REAL world of recorded music!
You want a Major Label contract?
1 - Then get your music and your business house in order.
2 - Prove your product is commercially acceptable by Industry Standards.
3 - Be ready to secure a KAK Contact who can put YOUR MONEY on the table.
4 - Make damned sure you have ENOUGH money to play in that League.
5 - And be prepared for HUGE debt.
It’s NOT a matter of talent. Pounding on the ‘talent’ factor is the biggest congame in the Industry. As it clearly states in our site, “If you think it takes talent to make a record, turn on the radio!
It IS a matter of business. A business that WILL NOT WORK in accordance with ANY of the Beer Joint Baritone BULLSHIT spewed by the Idiot Element, the likes of pashasshead, Flo Crack-Pot, Outlaws, CyanJackass, or any of their stupid ilk.
Thanks for the questions.
pashophead
USOFT proved to be a congame of selling internet radio that nobody could find. We dropped them like a hot potato - or didn’t your stupidity let you get that far in your research?
The rest of your nonsense confirms your Idiot Element know-nothing status.
TDA
Flo' Dolo
New member
Fuck the music, what about your goddamn mentality?
Look, man, I've never commented on your theory or practices regarding all this promolibrary bullshit or whatever else you claim to do. I never will. My interest in VMG goes far beyond whether or not you can bilk some poor sap and then leave him hanging with some ol' "there's no guarantees in this business" routine, or, if you can actually deliver the goods your clients expect. That's all you, B.
You're very correct in stating, this is a "matter of business," you just got sidetracked from the true business at hand. You know, the business that influences & shapes the way you perceive (potential) clientele, and what you believe to be true about them based on their upbringing, environment, dialect, choice of lyrics/subject matter, and whether or not they're "white enough" for you.
You think
it's totally acceptable,
honorable, and ok
to be a racist,
and call me & mines:
"n*i*g*g*e*r,"
"dirty n*i*g*g*e*r,"
"n*i*g*g*e*r music,"
"American n*i*g*g*e*r English,"
and so on.
And still, you want to label me
a "crackpot,"
an "idiot,"
"stupid,"
etc, etc...
whatever, man
...
Keep my fucking name out of your mouth. Don't forget to take me to court for slander & libel. I've posted all the contact info you need in the "vmg research" thread. Since you said you would, if I didn't back off, come & get me. I'm certainly gonna "introduce" some new people to your circle if I don't get the results from you that I want.
VMG
THE GENERAL
TDA
BOBBY FARRELL
VANDOR
(the search engines like all those markers, don't they?
)
djfd
This is a direct quote from an article on VMG's website - fully endorsed by bobby farrell the general vmg
The General said:
Look, man, I've never commented on your theory or practices regarding all this promolibrary bullshit or whatever else you claim to do. I never will. My interest in VMG goes far beyond whether or not you can bilk some poor sap and then leave him hanging with some ol' "there's no guarantees in this business" routine, or, if you can actually deliver the goods your clients expect. That's all you, B.
You're very correct in stating, this is a "matter of business," you just got sidetracked from the true business at hand. You know, the business that influences & shapes the way you perceive (potential) clientele, and what you believe to be true about them based on their upbringing, environment, dialect, choice of lyrics/subject matter, and whether or not they're "white enough" for you.
You think
it's totally acceptable,
honorable, and ok
to be a racist,
and call me & mines:
"n*i*g*g*e*r,"
"dirty n*i*g*g*e*r,"
"n*i*g*g*e*r music,"
"American n*i*g*g*e*r English,"
and so on.
And still, you want to label me
a "crackpot,"
an "idiot,"
"stupid,"
etc, etc...
whatever, man
...Keep my fucking name out of your mouth. Don't forget to take me to court for slander & libel. I've posted all the contact info you need in the "vmg research" thread. Since you said you would, if I didn't back off, come & get me. I'm certainly gonna "introduce" some new people to your circle if I don't get the results from you that I want.
VMG
THE GENERAL
TDA
BOBBY FARRELL
VANDOR
(the search engines like all those markers, don't they?
) djfd
This is a direct quote from an article on VMG's website - fully endorsed by bobby farrell the general vmg
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pashop
New member
As I said before ......all you were conducting was a witch hunt a way to discredit anything I said.
As far as I am concerned you have done just the opposite. You then regurgitate all the crap on the VMG website. The big difference is I put out a plan a method a way to move forward. All you have ever done is put facts on a page in an attempt to get people to pay VMG for there little dog and pony show.
See for the most part you and VMG treat people here like they are stupid and do not have a clue which I don't agree with. When someone does not agree with your methods you call them names like some 5 yr old in a sandbox. Your goal is to convinces people to spend $600.00 to get on a radio chart that in the big picture means nothing. Freddy Fender is the closest VMG artist to the top of the ( although there is nothing on Freddys website with VMG on it ) Atlantic Chart ........he is at 400 on the chart. I’m sure Freddy is having a big celebration about this imagine ….he made it The really crappy VMG artists who you have suckered in are charting in the thousands……..I’m sure there parents are proud. You on the other hand have met your obligation to get people on the radio……..the artist is now out $600.00. That my friends is the scam.
My credibility is not what this is about ……..its about yours, VMG and Bobby Farrell and thanks to the two threads on this website people will hopefully now get a chance to see how this company and its employees conduct business. Just type in VMG in any search engine and you to will be able to see our smiling faces.
As far as I am concerned you have done just the opposite. You then regurgitate all the crap on the VMG website. The big difference is I put out a plan a method a way to move forward. All you have ever done is put facts on a page in an attempt to get people to pay VMG for there little dog and pony show.
See for the most part you and VMG treat people here like they are stupid and do not have a clue which I don't agree with. When someone does not agree with your methods you call them names like some 5 yr old in a sandbox. Your goal is to convinces people to spend $600.00 to get on a radio chart that in the big picture means nothing. Freddy Fender is the closest VMG artist to the top of the ( although there is nothing on Freddys website with VMG on it ) Atlantic Chart ........he is at 400 on the chart. I’m sure Freddy is having a big celebration about this imagine ….he made it The really crappy VMG artists who you have suckered in are charting in the thousands……..I’m sure there parents are proud. You on the other hand have met your obligation to get people on the radio……..the artist is now out $600.00. That my friends is the scam.
My credibility is not what this is about ……..its about yours, VMG and Bobby Farrell and thanks to the two threads on this website people will hopefully now get a chance to see how this company and its employees conduct business. Just type in VMG in any search engine and you to will be able to see our smiling faces.
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pashop
New member
Re: Budgetary Line Items pashop's Method!
Why do you insist on treating people like they are stupid. This has nothing to do with my method folks its just a way for these people to scam you for $600.00.
Another PK said:
Why do you insist on treating people like they are stupid. This has nothing to do with my method folks its just a way for these people to scam you for $600.00.
T
The General
New member
pasass
You really ARE too stupid to see the actual requirements of your never-did-work bullshit!
TDA
You really ARE too stupid to see the actual requirements of your never-did-work bullshit!
TDA
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pashop
New member
The General said:
Your a classy guy General.....I can't figure out why all those big label acts don't jump ship and join the VMG empire.
Well wait...............
Anyone who can play would not join
Anyone who had a brain would not join
Anyone who is black certainly would not join
All thats left are the 13 people who did....and they stink
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The General
New member
pasass
With your last post, I rest my case against you.
You haven't a clue as to HOW MANY or WHO among the Legends and Stars have paid me damned well to keep them OUT of your kind of jackass contracts and INTO the money realms.
I guarantee you, the association reads like a WHO'S WHO!
And your name is conspicuous by its absence.
TDA
With your last post, I rest my case against you.
You haven't a clue as to HOW MANY or WHO among the Legends and Stars have paid me damned well to keep them OUT of your kind of jackass contracts and INTO the money realms.
I guarantee you, the association reads like a WHO'S WHO!
And your name is conspicuous by its absence.
TDA
T
The General
New member
pasass
With your last post, I rest my case against your abject ignorance and stupidity.
You haven't a clue as to HOW MANY or WHO among the Legends and Stars have paid me damned well to keep them OUT of your kind of jackass contracts and INTO the money realms.
I guarantee you, the association reads like a WHO'S WHO!
And your name is conspicuous by its absence ... everywhere in the Industry!
TDA
With your last post, I rest my case against your abject ignorance and stupidity.
You haven't a clue as to HOW MANY or WHO among the Legends and Stars have paid me damned well to keep them OUT of your kind of jackass contracts and INTO the money realms.
I guarantee you, the association reads like a WHO'S WHO!
And your name is conspicuous by its absence ... everywhere in the Industry!
TDA
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pashop
New member
The General said:
Its staggering when you do any kind of search what you have accomplished , who you have worked with , the thanks to VMG and Bobby I have a big name Farrell all the great artists all over your website...............no wait.........there is nothing.
Its just full of propaganda and bad music.....you should be so proud
distortedrumble
all up in yo grill!
the oddest thing about this whole arguement is that I'm no better off than i was when i started reading this thread lol
the general vs pashop is soon to be a great rivalry like:
Coke vs. Pepsi
McDonalds vs. Burger King
Playstation vs. Xbox
Nike vs. Reebok
Hotwax vs. Grandma's upper lip......
the general vs pashop is soon to be a great rivalry like:
Coke vs. Pepsi
McDonalds vs. Burger King
Playstation vs. Xbox
Nike vs. Reebok
Hotwax vs. Grandma's upper lip......
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pashop
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distortedrumble said:
the big difference is Im not selling anything
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Another PK
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Of course, you can always go and listen to Idiot Element tapes and give them re-gurgitated that never-worked advice.