Has Anyone Tried Uploading Songs To Music Libraries???

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pashop said:
I’m not sure how many times I have said the exact same thing only to have the General and his gang of losers come on here and start calling people names and spewing bullshit like it was the bible . I’m tired of it. People everywhere are tired of it. This guy does this everywhere he goes and has for years, you would think if his method was successful he wouldn't have the time for such petty arguing. You don't see Taxi on here freaking on people. Dave Hooper is on but I’m telling you I’m having allot more respect for DH after this nonsense. At least he knows how to dance. I would love for these people to stop preaching and picking on folks who do not agree with there cultish ways
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... i truly believe that people like this thrive on conflict, and enjoy a good fight. i also believe that if you ignore them, they will go away. it's really the only solution... you just give guys like the general more to write about when you attack him, even though i understand your intent is honorable. he craves attention... don't give him any. spend your time on positive things.
peace - jv
(i also agree that david hopper has chilled out, and seems like a really decent guy.)
 
pashop said:
Everything was emailed to me from VMG haters everywhere.
I will have a closer look you could be correct..........well I looked and for the most part it sends the reader to scams that it has discovered. If Atlantic Satellitte is clear then why are they on a site called ...Scams, Fraud, Hoaxes, Chain Letters: On the net!

They're not as far as I can tell on it beacuse they're a scam but because they are legit. look at all the links on that site. All the links are from other websites that reveal or report or talk about a scam. Lots from BBB too. If Atlantic Satellite is on this site because it is a scam then all the others would be too. The way I am seeing it is that the way they have the website laid out is that each of the links direct you to a website that has helpful information. I fail to see it the same way because if I did then even the Attorney general of rhode Island would be a scam and I don't think that is true. I just can't see it that way. I'll admit that I don't know the companies owned by Time Warner but even this one is on that list Time Warner Bookmark. When I ran a search on Time Warner Bookmark it is all over the net including an official site. Does anyone know if this is A time warner company? they seem to be legit so I don't know why they would be on it either. I'm looking at the site more.but I think I am right on this.
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whynot said:
pashop said:
Everything was emailed to me from VMG haters everywhere.
I will have a closer look you could be correct..........well I looked and for the most part it sends the reader to scams that it has discovered. If Atlantic Satellitte is clear then why are they on a site called ...Scams, Fraud, Hoaxes, Chain Letters: On the net!

They're not as far as I can tell on it beacuse they're a scam but because they are legit. look at all the links on that site. All the links are from other websites that reveal or report or talk about a scam. Lots from BBB too. If Atlantic Satellite is on this site because it is a scam then all the others would be too. The way I am seeing it is that the way they have the website laid out is that each of the links direct you to a website that has helpful information. I fail to see it the same way because if I did then even the Attorney general of rhode Island would be a scam and I don't think that is true. I just can't see it that way. I'll admit that I don't know the companies owned by Time Warner but even this one is on that list Time Warner Bookmark. When I ran a search on Time Warner Bookmark it is all over the net including an official site. Does anyone know if this is A time warner company? they seem to be legit so I don't know why they would be on it either. I'm looking at the site more.but I think I am right on this.
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From the site:
Scams, Fraud, Hoaxes Pyramids, Chain Letters: On the net A-Z

Scroll down in the "A" and there it is

Hey man you could be right but Im just reading what is printed on the page and along with all the other stuff I would need better proof.
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pashop,

You are treated like you're stupid because you are!

When you advise someone on what never-did-work, don't you think you should find out what is wrong with that and do something different? How about, finding out what in the hell is wrong and don't do it again.

NOTE: If dominic john was right, he would have won in a small claims court due to the amount of money. You're getting as bad as the psychicverbalvomiter by deliberately misleading in your efforts. Is it a case that you can't come up with some re-gurgitated advice on the issue?

Just as well. You probably need to review some more tapes so that you can give the Idiots who send them to you expert advice.

johneeeveee,

A great deal of this industry has been screwing thousands of very talented Artists and Songwriters. In order to "create" a path, don't you think it is prudent to find out ALL the things that you need in order to do it safely? It may be a great time for the diy'ers. It is also true that word of mouth may be a good tool, but will it fill your belly?

Creating good music and Recording it well is discussed in other Forums of this Board.

Maybe there should be a forum to discuss booking, touring, but THIS particular forum is "Marketing Your Music/Publicity" Building up a following maybe a Marketing/Publicity issue to a lot of you and might be a good idea for another thread.

THIS particular thread however, is all about the asking of a question to do just that - marketing/publicity issue. The 2nd post called it a scam WITHOUT ANY DOCUMENTATION WHATSOEVER! The Idiot Element continued without ANY PROOF that it is a scam. So instead of getting good information about what a promolibrary is and what it is all about, it's been diffused by the Idiot Element.

pashop will have a case of the ass about the cost of a VMG price tag for the service, but he cannot tell you a better way to get music around the world for less. He might be able to come up with some re-gurgitated price tag for printed envelopes for that amount of money.

flo dildo will probably get some sexual gratification on the board, but he cannot tell you a cheaper way to get it done. Of course, he'd have to stop being a whiner to look.

psychopathicicverbalvomiter will mislead and/or mistate any information and have a case of the ass because it didn't get reviewed by the mp3clinic or something, but he can't provide you with better information on how to get music into the ears of the record buying, concert going public cheaper.
 
I have never stated that the promolibrary is a bad idea (maybe I have but mainly in reference to VMG's "service"), it's just a horrible idea for anyone to go that route when it's in the hands of VMG. Why should anyone trust VMG to do something as technical as distributing music via satellite when they (you) can't even write simplistic html script!?

http://www.promolibrary.com/music.htm

If you're providing a technological service it would be in the best interest to at least appear to be tech savvy. I mean, you could hire some freshman in highschool and pay him $50 to come up with a fairly descent professional appearing site.

And it's pretty obvious when you look over the VMG artist roster that no one is becoming successful because of their promolibrary uploads. Shit, you guys haven't even signed (scammed) a new "artist" in the last 4 months! And I'd love for you to say that you did and just haven't updated the webpage yet.. that'd just go to show what a great company you'd be dealing with! Can't even get some promotion off the guys that are pocketing the $ !!

Just go ahead, see the artists that Sony and Universal and BMG sign, take a good look at their websites. You say you're in the same league as them!? :rolleyes: a little dilussional are you?

You're company just screams SCAMMM!!! And you know what? What if me and everyone else here is wrong and you are completely legit? NOW, what does that say about your company!? You run a company that so easily comes across as a scam!? I have never pointed fingers and called scam at a business before, you don't see me here talking shit about IndieBiz and Taxi, but I will not hesitate to continue calling you guys a scam.

I do hate to see this continue on and on, this is a very good board and it is being ruined by you folks and your hate mongering. You're like parasites moving from one BBS to another starting shit and eventually getting the boot. It brings comfort to know though that within time all these posts will come up when the word Vandor and VMG is typed into Google!
 
glad to see you VMGers keep talking about my snake. Everytime ya'll lie, it grows...

Another PK said:

...flo dildo will probably get some sexual gratification on the board, but he cannot tell you a cheaper way to get it done. Of course, he'd have to stop being a whiner to look....
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I knew it wouldn't take long before ya'll tried to minimize my argument & shift the focus - now I gotta stop "whining" to look, eh? Funny.

Get over the part about us calling you a n-i-g-g-e-r, and then you'll be able to see just how good & true & righteous & legitimate we are when it comes to this greatest-of-all-industries (and everything else in life).

You folks are on some ol' "Heaven's Gate" type shit.

How long will it be before your next undercover identity exposes itself & then runs away?

How long before the spaceship comes?

Does it even matter?

If so, why?

Or, more to the point, WHYNOT?

<i can...feel...someone... try...trying...trying to wash... wash...my...brain...(*glub*)

This is a direct quote from an article on VMG's website - fully endorsed by bobby farrell the general vmg
The dream of getting
a recording contract
and living happily
everafter in the lap of luxury
is the prime motivation for most entertainers,
despite the few burned out hippies
that still insist
in their best American N*I*G*G*E*R* english,
"for the arts, man".
Being an actor, singer, musician,
or any other 'art' related profession
is being in that particular business!
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last time i checked, this was still homerecording.com

... and i think most of the folks on this board consider maketing/publicity = getting your cd out there, and getting some press/local radio play. most of this thread is about radio, which is a large part of the industry, but discussions on clear channel and such isn't much use to an independent artist. what is of use is discussions on booking, getting press, internet exposure, college and community radio, networking, and unique and creative ways to get your cd into the hands of those that will dig it, and will hopefully pass the word along. in my experience, there are no shortcuts, and consigning your cd's in indie outlets, doing radio drop-ins at local radio in those areas, in-store appearances in those areas, playing shows in those areas, and getting local press in those areas, will get people to your shows, sell cd's, and get people talking about your music. so, yes, word of mouth does fill my belly, but it takes all those other things to create word of mouth.
i play close to 200 shows a year, regularly get good press, and have sold over 3000 of my cd's over the last 3 years, all without a label, management, or distribution (although i had a distro deal for about 3 months, but bailed cuz i did better on my own). i don't say this to blow my own horn, but to try and show what can be accomplished if you work hard at it. it definitely ain't easy, but networking with folks on a useful forum such as this helps. that is why i get annoyed when i see time wasted with bickering on threads like this.
for those of you who want to be big stars, then go ahead and discuss the all this big time, big money radio (i, too find it interesting to see how things work in big business). but for those of you who have more realistic expectations, i am happy to discuss and exchange ways for the independent artist to be "successful" in this industry, as long as it stays civil.
peace - jv
 
... oh yeah, and a byproduct of doing all this yourself is learning the biz from the ground up, developing a great work ethic, and most importantly, all those show will make you as good as you can possibly be at your craft.
i apologize for hijacking this thread a bit.
peace - jv
 
johneeeveee said:
... oh yeah, and a byproduct of doing all this yourself is learning the biz from the ground up, developing a great work ethic, and most importantly, all those show will make you as good as you can possibly be at your craft.
i apologize for hijacking this thread a bit.
peace - jv
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Hijacking? No. The overly-enflamed arguments have hijacked this forum heading. Your input, however, is welcome and useful.
 
Slacker90
Flo' Dolo
pashop
earthboundrec
CyanJaguar
regebro
vestast
mpayne0
Outlaws
Purge
freshmattyp
johneeeveee

Hereafter jointly and severally known as The Black Supremacists.

Racism is racism, regardless of the color!

Are you so idiotic as to think the VMG site and The General haven't already been through Department of Justice (and everybody else only government payroll with a socialist agenda) investigation? Ever since the site was originally posted SEVEN YEARS AGO? (EIGHT years as of August 14th, next!)

Has it ever occurred to that single brain cell the pile (as in dung) of you share that all your re-hashed idiocies have been reviewed and cleared away long ago, with The General and VMG coming out clean as a new whistle?

Has it ever occurred to that retarded brain cell (the same one mentioned above) some of you resort to when your own brainless stupidity exceeds itself, that your perpetual rampaging damned lies about The General - who has done more for Black and Ethnic Artists than any other WHITE person living or dead - DOCUMENTED FACT - are all the justification all other equally immoral supremacists need to continue their hatred?

Is all of this above the moraless mentality of you stupid bastards?

It certainly is not above the morals, integrity or intelligence of the rest of this Industry, and they all take a damned dim view of your activities. If any of you could either explain the reputed VMG 'scam' or produce one legitimate victim, the whole world would swing in your favor. But since you can't - BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY - you look like the stupid brainless supremacist bastards you really are.

The pile (as in dung) of you should form a General Licensership on your own, as suggested by The General. You can use the corporate name of BLACK SUPREMACY PRODUCTIONS! It's open in all the Registries. Then with PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS and BRAIN DEAD CONCERT TOURS & BOOKING and all your combined 'expertise' and 'research' you should just tear this Industry a new bottom end. We're all going to be so 'impressed' when you make your first million dollars each! Imagine, the pile (as in dung) of you with your name up in lights! Big Stars, Big Deals, showing The General up! Go for it! You know-so-much! Let's see you deliver ...

One bit of advice, don't use any promolibraries like Sony, Capitol/EMI, Warner Bros., Bertlesmann, Walt Disney or Universal do, since their all 'scams'. If you do, you might get heard! You certainly can't have that on your infallible way to multi-millions of sure and certain bucks, now can you?

We're all still waiting for anything factual about the mis-deeds of The General a/o VMG, and for all those glorious accomplishments you slimey bastards can't produce.

AmandaTwo
 
psychopathicverbalvomiter,

Regarding Promolibraries: You inferred/implied/etc. that it was a bad idea and you damned well know it! Your attempt at un-lying (would that be a word to explain your feeble attempt?) didn’t work except for maybe to the Idiot Element. They can’t and won’t understand anything anyway.

Regarding the Other General Licensers: How many ARTISTS have sued the other General Licensers? Yet you cannot find a record of ANYONE suing Vandor Music Group or you would have posted it! You can’t find ANY lawsuits against VMG! Is it a matter of convenience that you mislead by leaving relevant information out – well of course it is!

Regarding Signings: It is clear that you haven’t done any homework regarding signings as a matter of industry information. IF you’d paid attention to the charts (any of them for that matter), you would see different names coming and going from month to month and do so with ALL the General Licensers. So you have a case of the ass about everything that is industry meaningful!

You didn’t consider that sometimes an album isn’t a good investment to do unless you work pashop’s-regurgitated never-did-work-Method, and spend money to see which sticks – whether it makes money or not. Oh well, you conveniently missed another one.

Regarding websites: You always have a problem because you’d do it different, you’ve got better ideas, etc. Have you designed a web site that has generated over 25 Million Hits? When you do, maybe then you can have some valid input regarding design.

Regarding your own music efforts: You’ve done some music and have all kinds of lame excuses for all your labor and effort. Why did you do it at all if you couldn’t do it right? That is not to say that I think you did it wrong because the truth is I don’t know - I do know how to find out though. It doesn’t change the fact that you don’t have the confidence in your own damned work and/or effort. Yes, I listened to it over a month ago. I’m sure that others could consider doing differences, but that doesn’t mean that a better/worse guarantee. It is a case that you’ll NEVER know what the music is capable of simply because YOU don’t know how to find out in the real world of this industry – you know the Music Buying, Concert Going part!

Regarding the PRO’s: Of course, NONE of you have the guts to admit that VMG just might be right about the Lying and Thieving Sons-Of-Bitches regarding whether you get paid or the impact they are having on venue. None of you did the research. None of you have the guts.
 
Johneeevee,

Most of this thread is a continuation of slamming VMG, The General, and VMG Supporters.

It started with a reasonably good question.

Sounds like you do have some exciting things going for you.

Best wishes to you and your endeavors.
 
AmandaTwo said:
Slacker90
Flo' Dolo
pashop
earthboundrec
CyanJaguar
regebro
vestast
mpayne0
Outlaws
Purge
freshmattyp
johneeeveee

Hereafter jointly and severally known as The Black Supremacists.

Racism is racism, regardless of the color!

Are you so idiotic as to think the VMG site and The General haven't already been through Department of Justice (and everybody else only government payroll with a socialist agenda) investigation? Ever since the site was originally posted SEVEN YEARS AGO? (EIGHT years as of August 14th, next!)

Has it ever occurred to that single brain cell the pile (as in dung) of you share that all your re-hashed idiocies have been reviewed and cleared away long ago, with The General and VMG coming out clean as a new whistle?

Has it ever occurred to that retarded brain cell (the same one mentioned above) some of you resort to when your own brainless stupidity exceeds itself, that your perpetual rampaging damned lies about The General - who has done more for Black and Ethnic Artists than any other WHITE person living or dead - DOCUMENTED FACT - are all the justification all other equally immoral supremacists need to continue their hatred?

Is all of this above the moraless mentality of you stupid bastards?

It certainly is not above the morals, integrity or intelligence of the rest of this Industry, and they all take a damned dim view of your activities. If any of you could either explain the reputed VMG 'scam' or produce one legitimate victim, the whole world would swing in your favor. But since you can't - BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY - you look like the stupid brainless supremacist bastards you really are.

The pile (as in dung) of you should form a General Licensership on your own, as suggested by The General. You can use the corporate name of BLACK SUPREMACY PRODUCTIONS! It's open in all the Registries. Then with PSYCHOPATHIC RECORDS and BRAIN DEAD CONCERT TOURS & BOOKING and all your combined 'expertise' and 'research' you should just tear this Industry a new bottom end. We're all going to be so 'impressed' when you make your first million dollars each! Imagine, the pile (as in dung) of you with your name up in lights! Big Stars, Big Deals, showing The General up! Go for it! You know-so-much! Let's see you deliver ...

One bit of advice, don't use any promolibraries like Sony, Capitol/EMI, Warner Bros., Bertlesmann, Walt Disney or Universal do, since their all 'scams'. If you do, you might get heard! You certainly can't have that on your infallible way to multi-millions of sure and certain bucks, now can you?

We're all still waiting for anything factual about the mis-deeds of The General a/o VMG, and for all those glorious accomplishments you slimey bastards can't produce.

AmandaTwo
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... hmm, all i did was ask that we all maybe try to stop this fighting and concentrate on more productive issues, and speak in a civil manner, and i'm suddenly attacked by you? what is your problem? for the record, i don't aspire to make millions in this industry, and was simply lending my experience in creating a modest career for myself in this business, on my own terms. i don't wish to fight with anybody, and your rant is ridiculous.
peace - jv
 
...on second thought

i'm done with this board and it's bullshit. yeah, i understand how folks on here who feel a certain company has questionable ethics, and want to warn others about them. yeah, i also understand how a company feels attacked and wants to defend themselves... but the conduct on this particular forum is ridiculous and ends up serving no purpose. this could be a great place for indies to share info on stuff that matters, but people on here would rather fight and unleash personal attacks from behind their safe little anonimity. i know your cowardly asses wouldn't talk that shit to anyone's face. i've merely politely suggested that we cool this shit out and talk sensibly about something of value to indie artists, and i've been personally attacked by being put on a list of people some maniac (amanda2) says are racists. i have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. fuck you, and all this vmg bullshit. if you don't have anything better to do than spew these rants on this joke of a thread, then i pity you... and i have better things to do with my time than argue with the likes of you, about shit that doesn't even concern me.
as i have said before, word of mouth is a powerful thing, and it works in both positive and negative ways. i network my ass off and know a lot of people in this business, and i promise to do my part to let folks know how vmg has conducted itself on this board. what goes around, comes around, and your weak shit will bite you in the ass.
with that I'M OUTA HERE. you've managed to piss off a really mellow guy, and a hard working musician with nothing but friends in this business. i have a great life and career because of music, and i don't intend to get caught up in this negative merry go round. i have no opinion about vmg, or what you do or don't do... don't know, don't care... but nobody talks to me like that for no reason, without hearing about it. now go ahead and rant your stupid hateful head off... i won't be listening. i'm gone.
fuck you very much - jv
 
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johneeeveee,

Good riddance to you too! You won't be missed anymore on this thread/BB than you already are in the Industry! A very huge ZERO.

It was damned lies and defamations like yours that proved to be totally worthless, both as information and anything dishonest against me and VMG.

Best of nothing on your future non-existent endeavors.

TDA
 
The General said:
johneeeveee,

Good riddance to you too! You won't be missed anymore on this thread/BB than you already are in the Industry! A very huge ZERO.

It was damned lies and defamations like yours that proved to be totally worthless, both as information and anything dishonest against me and VMG.

Best of nothing on your future non-existent endeavors.

TDA
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... if you pull your head out of your ass long enough to look at the posts you would see that I NEVER SAID ONE WORD ABOUT VMG. your prefab rant makes you look like an idiot.
by the way, you also have no idea who you're talking to. i have a long and well respected career in this industry, you fucked up bag of wind.
shut the fuck up and go away - jv
 
Glad you didn't leave JV - I would have posted that earlier, but I'm trying really hard to ignore these jerks..
 
... i just couldn't let this slide. i have no idea why i was attacked by the general, and amanda2. if you look at my posts i have actually tried to cool out both sides of this so we might all benefit from each other's experience. i see that isn't going to happen, so i don't really see the point on spending time here... but no one attacks me like that, for no reason, and also makes bullshit claims about my career without even knowing who i am.
i am done with trying to network on this board... just too much bullshit from these people... but if they attack me again, i'm going to defend myself. i will accept an apology from them for their mistake, and will quietly ride off into the sunset, or they can make up more shit, and i'll call them on it.
peace - jv
 
johneeeveee

"Attacked for no reason ..." I just can't imagine why that would upset you ...

Will check all your posts (again), I you have an apology coming I will give it!

TDA
 
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