drum bus questions

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miroslav said:
Dude...YOUR the one who said that you play "heavy" and do "Death Metal" when you posted a song in the MP3 Clinic.



You seem to have a problem following your own posts...you might want to lay down for awhile and rest. :laughings:




And I said right off your drums sounded sequenced/sampled, I could hear that shit a mile off. I called that perfectly, so I ain't killing myself on anything.
I bet you think the drums sound really good! :D
Not sure why you would make a big deal about recording drums in this thread...and then put up a song that's sequenced with samples.
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What you said was "I have to say, the drums in that song sound almost sequenced, kinda sampled and quantized. It's like you went out of your way to make them robotic and homogenized."

They sound robotic cause its perfectly in time. I could mess with the swing of it and humanize a bit more but they are tight. But if you are going to pick at that part of it i agree. But a good song is a good song.
 
offcenter2005 said:
But a good song is a good song.
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You're the only one that's been blowing his own horn and picking fights this whole thread...then you came up short when you thought you'd blow everyone away. Pretty comical, you are.

As far as the drums being robotic, it has little to do with the them being right on time. Learn a little about velocity...then come back and get defensive over nothing again. :D


...pretty ironic that the drums seem to be the weakest part of your recordings, Mr. Know-It-All. :laughings:
 
offcenter2005 said:
What you said was..................
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Yes...I know what I said...you don't seem to know what you said.

You said "I PLAY HEAVY"...and do "DEATH METAL"...then you put up that sequenced Pop shit.
You can call me "pops" :D but I moved on from sequenced crap back in the mid 90s...that shit is dead.

So if you were trying to mislead, it didn't work.
It ain't heavy, it ain't Death Metal, it ain't recorded drums.
If you actually recorded that with a real drum kit and removed the robotic vibe...it might sound a lot better.
 
diggy_dude said:
I'm not implying that the OP doesn't know how to think like a drummer, mind you. Only that he needs to learn to use the technology in a way that sounds like a real drummer.
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I guarantee you the OP disagrees with you. He's got it all figured out...:laughings:
 
RAMI said:
I guarantee you the OP disagrees with you. He's got it all figured out...:laughings:
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To each his own. I got passable results from an ancient Casio drum machine with cheesy 8-bit samples by doing the exercises in that book. I may still have the example song in my machine, but I don't know if it would be legal to post it.
 
RAMI said:
As far as the drums being robotic, it has little to do with the them being right on time. Learn a little about velocity...
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BINGO!

I love tight drums, but when every snare hit has the same impact and timbre...it sounds robotic.
I use to spend hours randomly changing velocity on drum hits and also using more than one sample or editing a drum sample so that there were three "flavors"...and then mixing that up randomly throughout the sequence.
But in the end...no matter how well it was hidden/masked...the sequenced/sampled vibe would leave its fingerprint.
That's why I don't bother anymore.
Yeah...they can sound pretty good, but still not the same as a drummer playing to the tracks or other musicians.

If I ever get my new DAW computer setup and load up EZ Drummer and some other drum loop libraries that I purchased awhile ago...I will use that stuff mainly as scratch drum tracks until I can get someone overt to play my studio kit.
 
RAMI said:
You're the only one that's been blowing his own horn and picking fights this whole thread...then you came up short when you thought you'd blow everyone away. Pretty comical, you are.

As far as the drums being robotic, it has little to do with the them being right on time. Learn a little about velocity...then come back and get defensive over nothing again. :D


...pretty ironic that the drums seem to be the weakest part of your recordings, Mr. Know-It-All. :laughings:
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You guys are like arguing with kids. Its so funny that now you jump on the sequenced drums shit. Do you have any idea how many country songs have replaced drums from a program like ezdrummer? probably more than not. Any popular music for that matter. Sequenced drums are a big part of music in the past 15 years. Nine Inch Nails has done it since day one and id bet if hed post some shit on here you guys wouldnt say that sounds like fake drums. Its obvious that they are not real drums. And no the velocity does have some to do with robotic sound its the timing that really gets drums sounding fake. The swing comes from timing not how hard your hitting.
 
Velocity does have something to do with it. As a drummer, you know good and well that not every snare hit in a measure has exactly the same impact - right?
 
Just stop with the hate guys. I dont think i know it all and i agreed with you on The stuff you picked out. I have an ear also. If i would hear that track i would not at all call out the drums. If you criticize and i think your right ill agree simple as that. I never said im better than anyone but i did say my stuff will stack up against yours. And it does. You want to hear something else? ill post and lets move on from the drums. They are fake. I like em. Sucks that you dont. But your opinion is noted and ill keep that in mind next time i program a drum track on another song.
 
Greg_L said:
He's not a drummer.
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Im not a drummer. I can play drums but not my main instrument. I have already said that. But i do know about drums and can play drums. Velocity is a factor but noone is perfectly in time like a drum sampler. Have you guys ever seen how bands track drums now? Watch some of the shit about metalica. They get a single good bar and cut and paste. What is the big deal about making things tight?
 
Listen to the track again and you will hear that it doesnt sound as uniform as you might think.
 
offcenter2005 said:
Have you guys ever seen how bands track drums now? Watch some of the shit about metalica. They get a single good bar and cut and paste. What is the big deal about making things tight?
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:laughings:

So now you're going to explain to us how drums are tracked theses days in studios??? :D

Oh...and Metallica sucks ass on most of their latter/current stuff.
They sound TOTALLY over-compressed, over-programmed and over-edited....and lame.

It's not about tight...it's that EVERY DRUM HIT SOUNDS THE SAME - a.k.a. VELOCITY & TIMBRE (look those things up).
 
offcenter2005 said:
That was sarcasm. They figured id post some screamo stuff and i dont even listen to that kind of music. Read the thread.
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no. it wasn't sarcasm ...... you just say tha nowt to cover up the fact that you were talking out your ass.

But you're pretty entertaining man ...... this thread has star potential.

:D
 
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